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02-07-2008 03:17 PM
1BLKJP
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Originally Posted by dwdrums801 View Post
when you say "dialed in" what do you mean by this?
Between my shocks, bump stops, springs, etc.... my suspension has the perfect travel, arc, stops for what I do. Mine isn't setup for anything high speed like Rawk is doing, but for the rocks mine is flat out setup right.
02-06-2008 11:13 PM
dwdrums801 when you say "dialed in" what do you mean by this?
02-06-2008 07:15 PM
Rawkon i took it out today, no issues at all. flexed the hell out of it a few times and nothing popped out. its still kinda close so i might have to come up with a way to shorten it or just go grab some smaller straps.
02-06-2008 05:07 PM
Triple88a
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Originally Posted by Rawkon View Post
my straps are workin just fine. I might need to grab some shorter straps, but ill be trail testing it tomorrow to find out for sure.
Seems like there is space on top though. Unless your spring is held on the bottom with a retainer, there is a chance of it falling off while you're jumping around on the rocks.
02-06-2008 04:35 PM
1BLKJP I use extended bumpstops and spring retainers up front and also use "home made" spring retainers and extended bumpstops in the rear. Never even come close to losing a spring and it doesn't affect my uptravel at all either. Mine is what Dave is referring to as "Dialed In".

I keep telling Bob to come over and we'll fix his up, but no bob at my house yet.
02-06-2008 12:03 AM
Rawkon my straps are workin just fine. I might need to grab some shorter straps, but ill be trail testing it tomorrow to find out for sure.
02-04-2008 11:44 PM
foxinthemudd
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Originally Posted by Triple88a View Post
DW how about disconnecting the front AND the rear sway bars completely?
it was only a matter of time....
02-04-2008 04:15 PM
Triple88a DW how about disconnecting the front AND the rear sway bars completely?
02-04-2008 03:19 PM
dwdrums801
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Originally Posted by whiteyj View Post
I don't know....I've never had a complaint about the YJ.
yeah but your old
02-04-2008 09:43 AM
whiteyj
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Originally Posted by Dare2BSquare View Post
Trade it for a yj.
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Originally Posted by Dare2BSquare View Post
Not too interested in impressing the ladies myself. My jeep is for ME.

They should be real impressed when your springs fall out!!!
I don't know....I've never had a complaint about the YJ.
02-04-2008 09:41 AM
dave@rokmen
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Originally Posted by dwdrums801 View Post
What would you do if it was your rig?
Good question - but this is the area that tends to be very subjective.

The easiest route to go - spring retainers. It's probably the cheapest and fastest. But over time it would drive us crazy knowing we are not dialed in right for the jeep. The goal is always to take the available travel you have and match the components to the jeep to best utilize that flex. Much easier said than done.
02-04-2008 09:28 AM
dave@rokmen
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Originally Posted by dwdrums801 View Post
"suposivly"


The springs being swapped form 4.5" to 3.5" does and does not have a part to play in it. A spring that is 1" taller utilizing the same spring rate will be 1" taller in it's free standing height. Using the example above - the 4.5" springs will still compress 4" - but because they will sit 1" taller, the downtravel will now be limited to 5", with only 1 inch of space remaining when the load is off the spring it may not be able to slip out of the buckets. (examples, not accurate numbers)

It's a good thought - but we personally would recommend not going that route to solve the problem as there are negative side effects. The center of gravity increases, all the angles on the short arms change and start pushing the limmits of what a short arm should be doing impacting ride quality.

Spring retainers have not ben used by the factory for some time. Only the earlier jeeps had them.
02-04-2008 08:33 AM
tazmann910 No spring clips here, looked for them when I did my lift...none to be found..not even a hole where the screw could have been.
02-04-2008 06:59 AM
MOz
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Originally Posted by mr4x4 View Post
I think the guy at the jeep plant got lazy because I know of atleast five other tj's that dont have the retainers at all
X2 - my springs did not have retainer clips either. My front driver's spring almost fell out when I went to Rausch Creek with Texapple last summer. Frank Karate kicked it back into place...good to go.
02-04-2008 06:45 AM
foxinthemudd
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Originally Posted by sgnellett View Post
I keep expecting Trip to recommend disconnecting something!
seems to be his style...
02-04-2008 05:41 AM
sgnellett I keep expecting Trip to recommend disconnecting something!
02-04-2008 02:12 AM
mr4x4 I think the guy at the jeep plant got lazy because I know of atleast five other tj's that dont have the retainers at all
02-04-2008 01:56 AM
Triple88a thats weird, When i installed my RC kit, it wasnt even in the instructions to remove the passenger side retainer. It only said for the drivers side which i removed but i found nothing in the passenger side and yes i do find that weird. Jeep tried to save some green by not putting in passenger spring retainer?
02-04-2008 01:53 AM
mr4x4
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Originally Posted by Triple88a View Post
Isn't only the driver side that has the threaded hole to put on the spring retainers though?

I see the Rustys retainers come with self tapping screws but i wouldn't trust the sheet metal to hold the springs in place.
my jeep came with the spring retainers on both the drivers and passenger side
sorry yours didn't some don't even have them my Comanche has both sides two along with the XJ I lifted yesterday
02-04-2008 01:37 AM
Triple88a How about using some U bolts?


02-04-2008 12:49 AM
dwdrums801
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Originally Posted by dave@rokmen View Post

Some different things you can do - add spring retainers, add that really heavy tire carrier you've always wanted with toolbox, modify the spring mounts so they do not unseat, add limiting straps, change out your springs to something with a lighter spring rate.

We can say that spring retainers are the cheapest and most common solution we see used - but it doesn't mean it's the best. depending on your situation it could be like adding a beefed up steering stabilizer to cure death wobble.

I "suposivly" have one of the best short arm lifts you can buy , Rubicon express superflex.... but I have the 3.5 coils instead of the 4.5 coils that were recommended by them...do you think thats my problem?

What would you do if it was your rig?

Thanks for the nice explanation.
02-03-2008 11:47 PM
Triple88a hold on, i got it... time for coil overs..

spring retainers or limiting straps seem like your cheapest route
02-03-2008 11:44 PM
dave@rokmen When springs come out on the trail it's definitely not a badge of honor that you have the badest flex monster on the planet, and your suspension rivals others in terms of flex. Instead it's more of an indicator that your suspension needs to be dialed in better for the specifics of your jeep and how it's being used.

The most common reason on aftermarket suspensions for this happening is the spring rate is too heavy for the jeep. Where the weight of the jeep itself is not heavy enough for such high spring rates. (Custom suspension builds for rockcrawling are a different animal)

Here is an easy example - let's say you have springs with a 250 pound spring rate. This means for every 250 pounds on the spring itself it will compress 1 inch. Let's say your jeep is 1000 pounds per corner. So at 1000 pounds your springs will compress 4" at ride height. Apply it to flex and it's just the opposite, your jeep will have 4" of downtravel before all pressure is off the spring, anything after that and your spring unseats as there is no-more downforce. 6" of downtravel is pretty common on most lifts. Using this example your spring will be load free in 4" and at 6" will probably be able to come completely out of the mounts.

That's just an example using numbers that are rounded, but not too far off from reality. There is still more going on, but that's it in a nutshell. Now that you know what it is, it's really not that easy to solve because there are many diffferent solutions available, each with different complexities and outcomes - and it comes down to the specifics of the jeep and the needs and wants of the owner.

Some different things you can do - add spring retainers, add that really heavy tire carrier you've always wanted with toolbox, modify the spring mounts so they do not unseat, add limiting straps, change out your springs to something with a lighter spring rate.

We can say that spring retainers are the cheapest and most common solution we see used - but it doesn't mean it's the best. depending on your situation it could be like adding a beefed up steering stabilizer to cure death wobble.
02-03-2008 11:39 PM
Triple88a Isnt only the driver side that has the threaded hole to put on the spring retainers though?

I see the Rustys retainers come with self tapping screws but i woudlnt trust the sheet metal to hold the springs in place.
02-03-2008 11:20 PM
mr4x4
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Originally Posted by dwdrums801 View Post
where can I get spring retainers? or would I have to make some?

rustys offroad has them
http://rustysoffroad.com/mm5/merchan...ory_Code=COILS

you might need some limiting straps
02-03-2008 11:13 PM
dwdrums801 where can I get spring retainers? or would I have to make some?
02-03-2008 10:48 PM
Fatbob309 Kinda like this?



02-03-2008 09:08 PM
AzTJ Longer bump stops or spring retainers.
02-03-2008 08:40 PM
upinar
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Originally Posted by dwdrums801 View Post
but I did get to ride in a TJ with leafs in the rear and wow does it ride alot better
02-03-2008 07:41 PM
foxinthemudd what about limiting straps...
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