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11-24-2014 04:46 PM
Woody44
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Originally Posted by NJJeep View Post
Black Rock 17's with duratracs. Painted center caps. Love them.

3" Zone lift.
Love the painted center caps. Are they hard to remove?
11-19-2014 07:26 PM
Woody44
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Originally Posted by ds1948 View Post

Not at all. Love it. Love the stance it give the jeep.
Alright that's probably what I'm gonna go with then
11-19-2014 06:54 PM
ds1948
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Originally Posted by Woody44 View Post
Thanks! Do you regret going with that set up?
Not at all. Love it. Love the stance it give the jeep.
11-19-2014 05:18 PM
flyfishnevada The Black Rocks have a 4 inch backspacing. The Trackers have a 3.75 inch back spacing. The BR's will stick out a quarter inch less than the Trackers. But the BR's weigh less too. 19 pounds vs. 21, IIRC, for the Trackers. I am considering this set up too though I'm leaning towards the 17 inch wheels and 285 Duratracs for several reasons.

I like my tires sticking out but not too much so the 17's with a 4.5 inch backspacing are better. The seventeens don't have any clearance issues and can accommodate bigger brake calipers, aftermarket tie rod ends, etc. I'll probably go with the MB TKO. I like the BR's but they cost more and my wife likes the TKO's better. I like both and the TKO and BR are the same weight in 15 and 17 inch versions (19 and 23, respectively).
11-19-2014 04:48 PM
Woody44
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Originally Posted by ds1948 View Post

If it's a dry paved road no issue really.. This time of year with snow slush salt etc on the roads in Indiana it does get dirty but my jeep it black so everything makes it look dirty. And gravel roads will also sling mud and dust on the sides as well.
Thanks! Do you regret going with that set up?
11-19-2014 02:22 PM
ds1948 Attachment 1660537

Here is how far my wheels stick out
11-19-2014 01:53 PM
ds1948
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Originally Posted by Woody44 View Post
Hmm. Driving on the road does it make the jeep look dirty? Or just on trails and mud
If it's a dry paved road no issue really.. This time of year with snow slush salt etc on the roads in Indiana it does get dirty but my jeep it black so everything makes it look dirty. And gravel roads will also sling mud and dust on the sides as well.
11-18-2014 10:00 PM
Woody44
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Originally Posted by ds1948 View Post

Yep black rock d windows. And yes it slings everything all over the sides. If that's a concern look at a less back spaced wheel or just put tires or your stock wheels which stay tucked under the fenders.
Hmm. Driving on the road does it make the jeep look dirty? Or just on trails and mud
11-18-2014 09:57 PM
ds1948
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Originally Posted by Woody44 View Post
Thanks! You have the Black Rocks? Also some people who have their wheels sticking out from their fenders say that they get dirt, mud, etc. thrown on the side of their jeep. Have you had a problem with this?
Yep black rock d windows. And yes it slings everything all over the sides. If that's a concern look at a less back spaced wheel or just put tires or your stock wheels which stay tucked under the fenders.
11-18-2014 08:41 PM
Woody44
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Originally Posted by ds1948 View Post

I have these exactly wheels/tires. The wheels stick out about 2" past the fender if I had to guess without measuring it. The only thing I noticed is if they use the stick on wheels weights make sure they are in far enough to clear the rear caliper. Mine weren't and I didn't make it out of the parking lot before stopping and having them fix it. Love the set up. Quiet ride and seem to be smoother then the stock wheels/tires.
Thanks! You have the Black Rocks? Also some people who have their wheels sticking out from their fenders say that they get dirt, mud, etc. thrown on the side of their jeep. Have you had a problem with this?
11-18-2014 08:06 PM
ds1948
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Originally Posted by Woody44 View Post
Hey I know this thread is old but I've been looking at a setup very similar to yours and I have a few questions. I've decided on the 33x12.5R15 Duratracs with the 1.5" Performance Leveling Kit from Teraflex. I was set on the Level 8 Trackers Wheel Details - Discount Tire Direct but now I'm thinking about going with the Black Rocks Wheel Details - Discount Tire Direct any thoughts? The Level 8's have a -19 offset and the Black Rocks have a -12. Does this mean the Black Rocks won't stick out as far as the Level 8's? Any feedback would be awesome! Thanks. If there's any concerns about this setup let me know! (p.s. love your color. I have the Granite Crystal and I'm loving kit)
I have these exactly wheels/tires. The wheels stick out about 2" past the fender if I had to guess without measuring it. The only thing I noticed is if they use the stick on wheels weights make sure they are in far enough to clear the rear caliper. Mine weren't and I didn't make it out of the parking lot before stopping and having them fix it. Love the set up. Quiet ride and seem to be smoother then the stock wheels/tires.
11-18-2014 07:09 PM
Woody44
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Originally Posted by MTH View Post
Here are my new 33x12.5R15 DuraTracs on 15" Black Rock D-Windows (also known as "909"s).



Purchased these through my local Discount Tire after some outstanding assistance from the Discount Tire Direct folks through PMs on this forum.

I've driven the 35 miles to work, and now can provide an initial review . . .

First up, cost. Discount Tire matched the lowest delivered price, gave me $55 each for my old Rubi tires ( ), $50 off for being a member of the Wrangler Forum, $50 off the wheels for Black Friday, and $50 off the tires for Black Friday, which brought the total to $1252.25 plus tax. On top of that, I submitted my $40 rebate through Goodyear as well as a $100 rebate through TreadLightly. I'm on the fence about whether I should sell my old Mountain Edition wheels. I might hang on to them, but if not, that's probably another $200 to $300 or so back in my pocket. That means I'm out-the-door for about $1000 for five new tires and five new wheels. Can't beat it.

Gearing. Here's where I was worried. I've got a 4 door, the old 3.8 engine, 3.21 gears, and I went up an inch in tire diameter and 2.5" in tire width. My hope however was that the super light weight of this set up would help offset some of that. (For those who don't know, 33x12.5R15 DuraTracs with a 15" alloy wheels is the lightest weight 33" set up available, even lighter than the stock Rubi set up.) Additionally, I was hoping the reduced rolling resistance from the DuraTracs (an AT tire instead of my stock MT) would also help out.

And? I was right. If anything, it is EASIER to get rolling from a stop with these tires. I couldn't believe it. I really thought I was going to have to refine my clutch technique, but nope. The stop-and-go low speed stuff is much better on these than the stock Rubi tires. Really, really happy.

On the highway, my RPMs have dropped a bit at the same speed on account of the larger diameter. But it's not much. It just means I've just got to downshift a little earlier on hills I would've downshifted on anyway. It's a non-issue.

Ride. Great. Smoother and quieter than the stock Rubi tires I am used to.

MPG. Right after I got the tires I filled up the tank, reset my MPG dash readout (as I do at every fillup), and drove 35 miles to work. My dash readout now says 19 mpg. That's around the high side of normal, which is generally anywhere between 17 mpg and 19.5 mpg. So that means my mileage has apparently either been unaffected or improved, and that's not accounting for the extra inch in diameter since I don't have a ProCal/Superchip. Very interesting. I'm going to have to watch that one.

Overall, very happy. Not a single complaint yet.

Questions? Comments? I'm all ears. And here's a few more pics.
Hey I know this thread is old but I've been looking at a setup very similar to yours and I have a few questions.

I've decided on the 33x12.5R15 Duratracs with the 1.5" Performance Leveling Kit from Teraflex. I was set on the Level 8 Trackers Wheel Details - Discount Tire Direct but now I'm thinking about going with the Black Rocks Wheel Details - Discount Tire Direct any thoughts? The Level 8's have a -19 offset and the Black Rocks have a -12. Does this mean the Black Rocks won't stick out as far as the Level 8's? Any feedback would be awesome! Thanks. If there's any concerns about this setup let me know! (p.s. love your color. I have the Granite Crystal and I'm loving kit)
06-13-2013 09:42 AM
MTH
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Originally Posted by jonboy0000 View Post
do you do anything with the sensors on your old wheels? Did you/can you transfer them to the 909s?
As noted by the prior poster, they transfer them as part of the install. Just discuss it with your tire place.

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Originally Posted by slim56 View Post
I would like to put the Goodyear Duratrac 33 x 12.5 x 15 on the Blackrock D Window Alloy. I want to be sure that I don't loose any turning radius. I need to know what the backspacing is one these wheels.
I'm not sure that the lower backspacing of aftermarket wheels really causes any signifcant loss in turning radius. I suppose in theory they could . . . but the reality is that you're only talking about two inches or so at the edges of your front axle, and that's not accounting for the change in tire size . . . I dunno.

There certainly was not any noticeable change after the swap.

But even if it did cause some sort of drop in turning radius, the fact is that I needed the lower backspacing for the 12.5" wide tires. Otherwise, the tires would have rubbed areas within my wheel well, and THAT would certainly drop my turning radius as I wouldnt' be able to turn the steering wheel as far without rubbing.

In any event, the Black Rock D-Window alloys have 4" of backspacing.
06-13-2013 03:00 AM
Lusus_Naturae They transfer the sensors if you do it at the store - if you order them you should prepare to buy a set from them to have installed when they put them together before they ship.
06-12-2013 11:59 PM
jonboy0000
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Originally Posted by MTH View Post
Here are my new 33x12.5R15 DuraTracs on 15" Black Rock D-Windows (also known as "909"s).



Purchased these through my local Discount Tire after some outstanding assistance from the Discount Tire Direct folks through PMs on this forum.

I've driven the 35 miles to work, and now can provide an initial review . . .

First up, cost. Discount Tire matched the lowest delivered price, gave me $55 each for my old Rubi tires ( ), $50 off for being a member of the Wrangler Forum, $50 off the wheels for Black Friday, and $50 off the tires for Black Friday, which brought the total to $1252.25 plus tax. On top of that, I submitted my $40 rebate through Goodyear as well as a $100 rebate through TreadLightly. I'm on the fence about whether I should sell my old Mountain Edition wheels. I might hang on to them, but if not, that's probably another $200 to $300 or so back in my pocket. That means I'm out-the-door for about $1000 for five new tires and five new wheels. Can't beat it.

Gearing. Here's where I was worried. I've got a 4 door, the old 3.8 engine, 3.21 gears, and I went up an inch in tire diameter and 2.5" in tire width. My hope however was that the super light weight of this set up would help offset some of that. (For those who don't know, 33x12.5R15 DuraTracs with a 15" alloy wheels is the lightest weight 33" set up available, even lighter than the stock Rubi set up.) Additionally, I was hoping the reduced rolling resistance from the DuraTracs (an AT tire instead of my stock MT) would also help out.

And? I was right. If anything, it is EASIER to get rolling from a stop with these tires. I couldn't believe it. I really thought I was going to have to refine my clutch technique, but nope. The stop-and-go low speed stuff is much better on these than the stock Rubi tires. Really, really happy.

On the highway, my RPMs have dropped a bit at the same speed on account of the larger diameter. But it's not much. It just means I've just got to downshift a little earlier on hills I would've downshifted on anyway. It's a non-issue.

Ride. Great. Smoother and quieter than the stock Rubi tires I am used to.

MPG. Right after I got the tires I filled up the tank, reset my MPG dash readout (as I do at every fillup), and drove 35 miles to work. My dash readout now says 19 mpg. That's around the high side of normal, which is generally anywhere between 17 mpg and 19.5 mpg. So that means my mileage has apparently either been unaffected or improved, and that's not accounting for the extra inch in diameter since I don't have a ProCal/Superchip. Very interesting. I'm going to have to watch that one.

Overall, very happy. Not a single complaint yet.

Questions? Comments? I'm all ears. And here's a few more pics.
Love your setup. I'm going with the same actually - I'm waiting on the 909's I ordered and buying the 33" Duratracs tomorrow. Also looking to get the stubby end caps for the bumper and throwing a light bar on top. Glad to see it looks as good as I imagined.

Only difference is the price here in Alaska. It'll be about 1700 for mine, all said and done. Nice job finding the deals.

One question (I am a Jeep rookie, please don't judge) - do you do anything with the sensors on your old wheels? Did you/can you transfer them to the 909s?
06-12-2013 11:47 PM
slim56 I would like to put the Goodyear Duratrac 33 x 12.5 x 15 on the Blackrock D Window Alloy. I want to be sure that I don't loose any turning radius. I need to know what the backspacing is one these wheels.

Thanks
02-15-2013 09:19 PM
albatross
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Originally Posted by vgerardi View Post
Thanks!

Nope, there a quite a few "15 wheels that fit the JKs. I'll tell you though, I don't love them. With the 6 ply duratracs, it's a bit squishy on turns with all that sidewall. It's not horrible but when I get new tires, ill probably get 17" wheels with them.
Interesting. I've been debating between 15" and 17" wheels. I was mostly focused on price but I guess I should also consider road manners.
02-15-2013 09:01 PM
vgerardi
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Originally Posted by albatross

Nice looking JK.

I'm sure you get this question a lot but did you have to trim your calipers to fit the 15" wheels? Are you using spacers?

Thanks
Thanks!

Nope, there a quite a few "15 wheels that fit the JKs. I'll tell you though, I don't love them. With the 6 ply duratracs, it's a bit squishy on turns with all that sidewall. It's not horrible but when I get new tires, ill probably get 17" wheels with them.
02-15-2013 08:54 PM
albatross
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Originally Posted by vgerardi View Post
Here is my version of this setup with a little twist. Center caps are from Black Rock Viper's:

Nice looking JK.

I'm sure you get this question a lot but did you have to trim your calipers to fit the 15" wheels? Are you using spacers?

Thanks
11-05-2012 12:40 PM
Lusus_Naturae I was looking forward to using my GY tire upgrade to get the rebate again, I guess not.
11-05-2012 12:39 PM
Lusus_Naturae It should be noted - ** NOTICE: The Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company rebate offered to Tread Lightly! Members was discontinued on October 15, 2012. We deeply regret any inconvenience this has caused our loyal members. Please contact us directly at 800-966-9900 if you have any questions as we are diligently working to address concerns regarding this change in membership benefits. As always, we are working to maintain your support of our mission to promote responsible outdoor recreation.
Best, The Tread Lightly! team.
11-05-2012 10:46 AM
vgerardi Here is my version of this setup with a little twist. Center caps are from Black Rock Viper's:

10-15-2012 11:03 AM
Discount Tire
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Originally Posted by Timh View Post
To me this set up looks good. In the original post it says DTD help set this up. So here is my questions/confusion.

I have a 2012 JKU. 3 times now I have talked to three different shops, (2) 4x4 shops and (1) DT store. All three have said this set up will NOT work. They will rub the brakes and wheels will stick WAY out. They insist I have to get the 17s.

Do they just not have the knowledge and experience?

Or are they just trying to get me locked in to paying $100-200 more each for tires?

There just seems to be so many people running 15 inch aluminum wheels on here with no problems. Yet all the the shops say no way it will work.
Not all 15" wheels will fit. The MB72, MB Chaos 5, MB TKO, Black Rock D-Window alloy, Black rock Viper, Level 8 tracker.... all of these will fit your JK without any issues.

Give us a call at 1.888.459.4080 and we'll be happy to help you with a set.
10-13-2012 05:56 PM
Timh Excellent. Thanks
10-13-2012 05:42 PM
1Topp
10-13-2012 04:19 PM
MTH
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Originally Posted by Timh
To me this set up looks good. In the original post it says DTD help set this up. So here is my questions/confusion.

I have a 2012 JKU. 3 times now I have talked to three different shops, (2) 4x4 shops and (1) DT store. All three have said this set up will NOT work. They will rub the brakes and wheels will stick WAY out. They insist I have to get the 17s.

Do they just not have the knowledge and experience?

Or are they just trying to get me locked in to paying $100-200 more each for tires?

There just seems to be so many people running 15 inch aluminum wheels on here with no problems. Yet all the the shops say no way it will work.
They're just wrong.

They have a computer system that tells them the stock sizes. Anything else is assumed not to work.

Show them this thread an ask them of they think it's either just all a vast conspiracy to get folks to buy wheels that don't fit, or if maybe--just maybe--they're wrong.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zany

Hey I'm the "newbie" regular with DWB, and I'll be ordering a very similar set at this yrs "Black Friday".

But I'm going to try "plati-dip'n" my hinges under your advisement!
10-13-2012 04:07 PM
Zany
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Originally Posted by MTH View Post
You and me and I think Lithium Lotus are just about the only regulars with that color. Looks SWEET with black wheels, IMO. Have you considered bedlining your hinges . . .
Hey I'm the "newbie" regular with DWB, and I'll be ordering a very similar set at this yrs "Black Friday".

But I'm going to try "plati-dip'n" my hinges under your advisement!
10-13-2012 03:41 PM
Timh
They say this wont work???

To me this set up looks good. In the original post it says DTD help set this up. So here is my questions/confusion.

I have a 2012 JKU. 3 times now I have talked to three different shops, (2) 4x4 shops and (1) DT store. All three have said this set up will NOT work. They will rub the brakes and wheels will stick WAY out. They insist I have to get the 17s.

Do they just not have the knowledge and experience?

Or are they just trying to get me locked in to paying $100-200 more each for tires?

There just seems to be so many people running 15 inch aluminum wheels on here with no problems. Yet all the the shops say no way it will work.
10-08-2012 03:49 PM
Discount Tire Glad we could help!
10-08-2012 03:43 PM
vgerardi
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Originally Posted by Discount Tire View Post
See the spec sheet listed below. Once you convert the 3.270" hub bore into millimeters (multiply by 25.4) you get 83mm.

Attachment 167272
Thanks DT, ordering a set.
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