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01-11-2012 12:17 AM
50Johnbob "energy conservative" ,I really like that one
When I am speaking to my wife I use the term "convenience enthusiast"
01-10-2012 12:39 PM
jrussblues
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford
As said above, I'm a TJ guy and barely recognize a JK when I see one so I don't know where the JK's air bag sensor is. I actually didn't even know or at least notice it was a JK you were asking me about in your PM. I thought you were asking about a TJ, especially since your name is TJ-Newbie. I will still assume that even the JK's air bag sensor is not on or near the bumper however.
It's not, there is a part in the front left of the newer jk's with the pentastar. I believe it is some type of brake assist, it has to be relocated to fit aftermarket bumpers.
01-10-2012 12:11 PM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by TJ-Newbie View Post
Jerry says the JK sensor is an accelerometer near the center console, so altering or replacing the bumper will have no effect.
As said above, I'm a TJ guy and barely recognize a JK when I see one so I don't know where the JK's air bag sensor is. I actually didn't even know or at least notice it was a JK you were asking me about in your PM. I thought you were asking about a TJ, especially since your name is TJ-Newbie. I will still assume that even the JK's air bag sensor is not on or near the bumper however.
01-10-2012 09:41 AM
jgorm
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Originally Posted by Black Magic Brakes View Post
I don't know, you tell me since you've adopted the proofreading position, he said this in post 13.
Nope, right thread. I missed that post and you quoted something non related that made it seem out of context. Good luck on your brake kit!
01-10-2012 07:32 AM
Ageless Stranger
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Originally Posted by TJ-Newbie View Post

Jerry says the JK sensor is an accelerometer near the center console, so altering or replacing the bumper will have no effect.
I'm shocked that it took this long for this information to come to light, and I intended to post it had you not. Probably because everyone knows Bransford is a TJ guy, and we're in the TJ section, so none of the JK'ers looked at the thread.

As Unlimited noted, there's really no support for what you're wanting to do, like there is on a TJ.
01-10-2012 07:16 AM
Boyd Crowder
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Originally Posted by TJ-Newbie View Post
Yup. Front hitch.
I use it as a tug to move an airplane into and out of the hangar.
Not MY plane. I'm just the pilot.
Like I said...easy-rolling load....200' tops....never more than 5mph usually closer to 1-2mph.
It light enough that I can almost push it by hand.....but as I said, I'm a pilot....and that means I'm inherently "energy conservative"




(some folks translate that as "lazy")


Obviously you're going about this all backwards. You simply need to get a smaller airplane, like My Challenger II, then you can move it by hand.

01-10-2012 07:08 AM
Boyd Crowder
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Originally Posted by spy View Post
Is it going to be on a roadway where you could put other people in danger if your load gives out?
Yeah, those crazy Jeepers pushing trailers from the front of their Jeeps at high speed down the highway are just a menace. Sorry, couldn't help myself.
01-09-2012 09:55 PM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by jgorm View Post
wrong thread?
I don't know, you tell me since you've adopted the proofreading position, he said this in post 13.

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Originally Posted by TJ-Newbie View Post
I think so too.....but I'd hate to make a $2000 assumption

Max, im planning to get rid of my stock 18" wheels and tires and go for something less "city-slickerish" I like your 15" black steels, what brand?

I'm also considering coopers to replace my Bridgestones. I had coopers on my suburban and loved em.

I'm moving to Seattle soon. How do you like your coopers on wet pavement?
Since I'm currently in the process of developing 2 larger brake kits for the JK and part of that challenge on the smaller of the two is fitting them inside the stock 17" rims, I thought he should know to do a test fit before mounting tires since that typically makes them much harder to return.
01-09-2012 11:39 AM
Vroooom
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Originally Posted by jgorm View Post
wrong thread?
Right thread.

He was referring to a prior post in THIS thread where-in I stated that I intended to trade my stock 18" tires and wheels for something more useful.
01-09-2012 11:01 AM
jkaufman_95 I about spit coffee out when I read that title
01-09-2012 10:57 AM
jgorm
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Originally Posted by Black Magic Brakes View Post
I would strongly urge you to try and fit a 15" rim onto the wheel hub and see if it clears the brakes before you make the purchase. Especially with the Unlimited and how easily you can get them up to weights that readily overpower the stock units.
wrong thread?
01-09-2012 10:36 AM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by TJ-Newbie View Post
The true irony is that as a deputy sheriff and as an emt, I've worked quite a few auto accidents that totaled the vehicle and hospitalized the occupants....but never deployed the bags....when you think it should have.

I know 1st gen bags required a 15mph frontal impact to actuate compression sensors...etc.

Now the 2nd gen bags are dual-stage to compensate for the speed of the impact; different bags deploy dependent on the location of the impact.

So all sorts of variables to take into consideration.

Jerry says the JK sensor is an accelerometer near the center console, so altering or replacing the bumper will have no effect.

I thought I'd be ok, but figured having yalls feed-back would be beneficial.

Accidental deployment would not only be expensive, but it'd be awfully embarrassing since I wouldn't even have any cool battle scars on the JEEP to tell stories about....just a shiney new wrangler....filled with white powder..with some sad looking sacks hanging out here and there.

Oh, and me standing nearby using words my momma would never have approved of.
I would strongly urge you to try and fit a 15" rim onto the wheel hub and see if it clears the brakes before you make the purchase. Especially with the Unlimited and how easily you can get them up to weights that readily overpower the stock units.
01-09-2012 10:22 AM
Vroooom The true irony is that as a deputy sheriff and as an emt, I've worked quite a few auto accidents that totaled the vehicle and hospitalized the occupants....but never deployed the bags....when you think it should have.

I know 1st gen bags required a 15mph frontal impact to actuate compression sensors...etc.

Now the 2nd gen bags are dual-stage to compensate for the speed of the impact; different bags deploy dependent on the location of the impact.

So all sorts of variables to take into consideration.

Jerry says the JK sensor is an accelerometer near the center console, so altering or replacing the bumper will have no effect.

I thought I'd be ok, but figured having yalls feed-back would be beneficial.

Accidental deployment would not only be expensive, but it'd be awfully embarrassing since I wouldn't even have any cool battle scars on the JEEP to tell stories about....just a shiney new wrangler....filled with white powder..with some sad looking sacks hanging out here and there.

Oh, and me standing nearby using words my momma would never have approved of.
01-09-2012 09:49 AM
jgorm The air bags wont go off with trailering, or anything other than an accident where they are supposed to go off. There are a couple really rare cases where they are triggered accidentally, but those are pretty extreme.
jeep cherokee jump with airbag deployment - YouTube
01-09-2012 09:45 AM
TheTJRod You could always get a offroad bumper made of thicker steel and make a square cutout in the front of it and slide a reciever hitch in and weld it solid on the front and rear face. You would also want to brace it on the inside too. If I ever need a snow plow I was planning on doing that with my front bumper.
01-09-2012 09:06 AM
Vroooom Excellent points, LJ04.
Thank you for the look behind the plastic.
All very helpful.
01-09-2012 08:52 AM
UnlimitedLJ04
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Originally Posted by TJ-Newbie View Post
See post #2.
All opinions and advice is welcome and taken into consideration.
ok, then. the reason you can't find an over the top hitch for your JK, like the TJ, is because the mounting points are totally different. the TJ has the tow hooks mounted on the top of the frame, which is where your old TJ hitch attached. Now, with the JK this isn't possible because the tow points are mounted on the front face, with no lateral support between the frame rails.

See the mounting points are on the front face:


You can also see there why bolting that HF hitch to the sheet metal & plastic front bumper is not going to hold - theres absolutely no support.

Hanging the receiver under the frame is just fine, and you're overly worried about the approach angle thing. If you're hitting it you probably need more lift & bigger tires anyway. But just in case, slide one of these in place when not in use:
01-09-2012 08:41 AM
Vroooom See post #2.
All opinions and advice is welcome and taken into consideration.
01-09-2012 08:16 AM
UnlimitedLJ04 were you only looking for jerry's opinion? or will someone else's opinion suffice?
01-09-2012 07:23 AM
SirGeorgeKillian We used to use 4 wheelers, and there was a crazy redneck that pulled his plane around with a craftsman riding lawnmower.....
01-09-2012 06:59 AM
Mad Max 04
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Originally Posted by TJ-Newbie
I think so too.....but I'd hate to make a $2000 assumption

Max, im planning to get rid of my stock 18" wheels and tires and go for something less "city-slickerish" I like your 15" black steels, what brand?

I'm also considering coopers to replace my Bridgestones. I had coopers on my suburban and loved em.

I'm moving to Seattle soon. How do you like your coopers on wet pavement?
They are pacer 15x10 they look good but I want to go to a smaller alloy like 15x7

And I LOVED the coopers they were great but I had to get some a/t when my coopers went bald. I have to do to much driving right now to afford mud tires.
01-09-2012 01:02 AM
H2_recoveryteam Most airbags work on the computer monitoring sensors such as Accelerometers that detect sudden stops. And impact sensors. So with light weight and low speeds I would say what you linked could work fine.
01-09-2012 12:27 AM
Vroooom Yup. Front hitch.
I use it as a tug to move an airplane into and out of the hangar.
Not MY plane. I'm just the pilot.
Like I said...easy-rolling load....200' tops....never more than 5mph usually closer to 1-2mph.
It light enough that I can almost push it by hand.....but as I said, I'm a pilot....and that means I'm inherently "energy conservative"




(some folks translate that as "lazy")


01-09-2012 12:20 AM
spy thanks! haha
01-09-2012 12:15 AM
gixxerphil
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Originally Posted by spy View Post
My question would be how much weight do you plan on moving, is it a trailer? is it going to be on a roadway where you could put other people in danger if your load gives out?

Or is this just for like a bike or something?

I would try to get something that bolted to the frame or something with better support because if its anything like a tj bumper its going to bend if you put to much weight on it. Is there a rear air bag sensor located in the middle of the rear bumper? I can see if the bumper bowed out it may set it off? I am personally only familiar with the TJ platform, The JK is a whole new animal to me. Would you consider a new bumper? Westin Part 42-3015 - Trailblazer Series Rear Bumper by Westin for Jeep

Just keep in mind that you payed how much for the 2012jk ? Don't skimp on what you need, and I hope someone else chimes in instead of bashing you for owning a "Jeep" Its not like he has a tracker or something lol. Remember everyone we all love and own jeeps! =)
"If you don't wave than disregard this" lol!

I believe he wants a front mounted hitch
01-09-2012 12:09 AM
spy My question would be how much weight do you plan on moving, is it a trailer? is it going to be on a roadway where you could put other people in danger if your load gives out?

Or is this just for like a bike or something?

I would try to get something that bolted to the frame or something with better support because if its anything like a tj bumper its going to bend if you put to much weight on it. Is there a rear air bag sensor located in the middle of the rear bumper? I can see if the bumper bowed out it may set it off? I am personally only familiar with the TJ platform, The JK is a whole new animal to me. Would you consider a new bumper? Westin Part 42-3015 - Trailblazer Series Rear Bumper by Westin for Jeep

Just keep in mind that you payed how much for the 2012jk ? Don't skimp on what you need, and I hope someone else chimes in instead of bashing you for owning a "Jeep" Its not like he has a tracker or something lol. Remember everyone we all love and own jeeps! =)
"If you don't wave than disregard this" lol!
01-08-2012 10:51 PM
Vroooom
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Originally Posted by spy View Post
Come on guys he came to the TJ forum its where he feels comfortable and where he knows he will get "Experienced information from experienced jeepers =)"
Thats why he didn't post in the JK forum hehe
Something like that.
01-08-2012 10:34 PM
spy Come on guys he came to the TJ forum its where he feels comfortable and where he knows he will get "Experienced information from experienced jeepers =)"
Thats why he didn't post in the JK forum hehe
01-08-2012 10:26 PM
Vroooom Hmmmm....
$1000 for a tractor.
$18 for a hitch...
...to fit on a JEEP...
.......which can do so much...
Already.

Let me contemplate this a bit.

01-08-2012 10:26 PM
Ibuildembig
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Originally Posted by DevilDogDoc View Post
When wishing to speak to somebody specific you can always click the PM button and the rest of us that are not worthy to answer your question dont have to see it......
Dr Doolittle rules
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