Jeep Wrangler Forum - Reply to Topic
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ Tech Forum > Detroit lockers on the road

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Thread: Detroit lockers on the road Reply to Thread
Title:
  
Message:
Post Icons
You may choose an icon for your message from the following list:
 

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options

Topic Review (Newest First)
02-07-2008 03:51 PM
debruins whats ur opinion on the rear auto locker in snowy donditions though?
thats the op

also it seems its all in what you're used to, some people are used to the auto lockers in the rear in the snow and some are not, once you are used to them maybe you dont notice it, but when someone first makes the switch it will be very noticable, the locker will lock up on sharp turns when the outside wheel is spinning faster then the inside wheel, this will cause the jeep to skid because the tire will not be spinning at the speed they need to be to get around the turn, this is usualy fine because the asphalt has enough friction to either "override" the locker for lack of better explanation or the tires will skip a little and regain traction, but on a slippery suface the tires will lose their static friction and then skid around the turn, thats how lockers work, now its given that you can learn how to drive to avoid that and how to drive when it does happen, but the only way to learn is through mistakes, and you just have to hope that the mistakes dont have big consequences while you're still learning to drive with the rear locker
02-07-2008 03:40 PM
1BLKJP
Quote:
Originally Posted by dwdrums801 View Post
the reason why you see those ox lockers in the font more often is cause people put the auto lockers in the back cause there less noticeable on the road and sometimes cheaper... and the ox's in the front cause of the fact you can unlock them cause a locked front end would be annoying to drive on and actually do more harm then good

(daily driver/ weekend wheeler point of view)

This is just flat out not true. With the nature of a TJ/YJ's front end setup there is not torque or power going to the front wheels when the TCase is in 2HI. The only time you will even notice an auto locker up front is when you are turning and it ratchets some. However that will not affect the performance of the vehicle in any way. For the average wheeler that lives on constant dry ground I'd say that an automatic locker will be perfect up front. For the wheeler that has to deal with wet/slick conditions a lot I would agree that a manual locker up front is the best.

Now as far as the benefits of a Manual vs. Auto locker up front off road? That's a whole different thread.
02-07-2008 03:31 PM
1BLKJP Okay fella's, I've been getting irritated with this for awhile and this thread is a good place to say something about it. I'm not banning anyone and not going to delete any threads, but consider this the warning. You need to keep the Tech threads on topic and the fun and games crap in the Off Topic Forum. This board will not become some slamfest like Pirate is. I have had conversations with those involved and I thank Scout for bringing up this subject also.
02-07-2008 02:17 PM
richp
Quote:
Originally Posted by nicolas-eric View Post
i drove a friends XJ with a detroit in the rear axle. in rain it could be a bit dangerous. but if you got used to it you won´t notice the locker on the road.
i would never install an auto locker. i would ever install a selectable again.
I bet he had worn tires my XJ gets positively squirrely in wet weather with worn tires. I don't know about the TJ, I've never had the tires get past the halfway point before replacing them from rips and tears.
The XJ I scared myself a couple of times making turns from a stop into an intersection, I could feel the back end slide out from under me, sure changes directions fast that way though makes a right or left angle 90 degree turn really really quick.... the XJ I judge tire wear by the eyeball and the seat of the pants method. Seat of the pants method tells me they be slipping, eyeball tells me who has them on sale this week
02-07-2008 02:00 PM
Jerry Bransford
Quote:
Originally Posted by dwdrums801 View Post
...cause a locked front end would be annoying to drive on and actually do more harm then good

(daily driver/ weekend wheeler point of view)
Have you ever actually driven a TJ in 2wd with an automatic locker in the front axle? If you had, you should have noticed they're virtually unnoticeable when you're in 2wd on the street. Drive mine and you'd come away with a different opinion for how they are on the street. Even with my front hubs locked, you would never know my TJ had an automatic locker in its front axle when you drive it on the street in 2wd. All those warnings you read about problems with front lockers are common in other vehicles, just not in the TJ.
02-07-2008 11:40 AM
dwdrums801 the reason why you see those ox lockers in the font more often is cause people put the auto lockers in the back cause there less noticeable on the road and sometimes cheaper... and the ox's in the front cause of the fact you can unlock them cause a locked front end would be annoying to drive on and actually do more harm then good

(daily driver/ weekend wheeler point of view)
02-07-2008 05:45 AM
richp
Quote:
Originally Posted by nicolas-eric View Post
i like my selactable in snow and in rain...
I agree, a selectable is the best of both worlds but they seem to break alot, either airlines or solenoids. Maybe the Ox in the back is good but I don't know anyone who has ever done a rear OX, they always end up in the front for some reason. I've been kinda gun shy about an ARB, might have something to do with the amount of people who have problems and post about it, they exceed the people who have no problem with arb's probably by 20:1 <shrug> maybe. I actually might try an arb or an Elocker in the unlocked TJ rear, that one is our spare for when either the ZJ or XJ is down or one of the kids borrowed it for it's stationwagon function of moving stuff. I just hope I don't end up kicking myself for spending the coin on something thats going to give me problems, I hate doing diffs almost as much as drum brakes and exhaust systems
02-06-2008 09:39 PM
MR.CLIFFORD
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4point View Post
Kansas, puuuuukke.
Try again.
02-06-2008 09:38 PM
4point Kansas, puuuuukke.
02-06-2008 09:01 PM
MR.CLIFFORD
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scout View Post
Carry on.
my wayward son. There'll be peace when you get done. Lay your weary head to rest. Don't you cry no more. GO!!!

Edit: can't we ban Jerry for knowing everything without a license??
02-06-2008 08:59 PM
Scout No one is getting banned or even temporarily banned. That's not how we do things on WF. However, we do need to keep these threads on topic. In Off Topic knock yourself out but in the tech sections we need to keep them on topic.

Carry on.
02-06-2008 08:40 PM
White93ARB
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoob View Post
Isn't that typical of a jeepforeskin goderator?

Don't you have some post to edit (if you dont agree with), Delete (if it proves you or another goderator wrong) or hound some poor guy to "ponying up" elsewhere?

The mods here are what separates this site from that craphole, don't try to turn them into the likes of the swelled head goderators of that place.
02-06-2008 08:37 PM
nicolas-eric
Quote:
Originally Posted by MR.CLIFFORD View Post
I happen to like my detroit in the snow.
i like my selactable in snow and in rain...
02-06-2008 08:34 PM
MR.CLIFFORD I happen to like my detroit in the snow.
02-06-2008 08:29 PM
nicolas-eric i drove a friends XJ with a detroit in the rear axle. in rain it could be a bit dangerous. but if you got used to it you won´t notice the locker on the road.
i would never install an auto locker. i would ever install a selectable again.
02-06-2008 08:27 PM
Scoob
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
I'd be whipping out the temporary ban stick if I had access to one.
Isn't that typical of a jeepforeskin goderator?

Don't you have some post to edit (if you dont agree with), Delete (if it proves you or another goderator wrong) or hound some poor guy to "ponying up" elsewhere?

The mods here are what separates this site from that craphole, don't try to turn them into the likes of the swelled head goderators of that place.
02-06-2008 08:01 PM
richp OK, currently, 4 jeeps, ZJ, XJ, 2 TJ's. ZJ, locked, XJ locked, one TJ locked, the unlocked TJ does not go out of the driveway when it snows. Prior, 87 Trooper, locked rear, 82 S10, open and christened the stuck machine when it snowed, stunk in the rain too only solution on that one was chains. When it snowed the S10 stayed parked and the 69 willys got used, that was locked rear.
As far as snow goes when it gets interesting is when you lock the front and rear on an off camber off road or hill. Every vehicle I have ever ORDERED, not bought off the lot, I've always gotten the optional TD. I've not ordered a new one in many years so I always end up adding it myself later on. The detroit that just went in the ZJ today should improve it manners and handling in the snow, we have alot of hills around here and they get icy so open diffs don't cut it when you get both front and rear passenger side tires on the icy shoulder and then have to do the brake handle trick to get going again.
Yea, it will handle a bit different but after a few miles of playing with it in snow and slippery roads you learn to use it to your advantage.
02-06-2008 07:57 PM
Jerry Bransford I'd be whipping out the temporary ban stick if I had access to one.
02-06-2008 06:54 PM
Scout
Quote:
Originally Posted by sgnellett View Post
None at all, which is why I didn't try to contribute some illiterate gibberish to a conversation I know nothing about.
Meanwhile you jumped into a discussion about lockers in a technical forum and offered no technical information.

Guys we really need to try and keep these threads on topic out of consideration of the original poster.
02-06-2008 06:53 PM
tobycat1
Quote:
Originally Posted by sgnellett View Post
Fantastic, input from the voice of experience!

In your many years of experience, you've had Detroit Lockers in how many Jeeps?

And how many years did you spend driving them in Cale?

BTW, where is Cale?

Oh, wait, you meant Cali, as in California, but in your continued display of ignorance, you didn't bother to even abbreviate correctly when spouting off about not one but 2 things you know nothing about!

Thanks, for nothing!
Not quite the jeeper way man You don't have to have own something to have been around enough of them to know about how they perform.
02-06-2008 06:52 PM
tobycat1 BTW Cali is a great balance of everyting. I'm 30 min from the snow, 10 min from mud, and 60 min from sandy beaches. Snow is present in a large portion of the state during winter, but almost none the rest of the year.
02-06-2008 06:50 PM
sgnellett
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
WTF? In reading your homepage, how many Detroit Lockers have you owned? It sure doesn't read like you are the voice of experience on owning even a single Detroit Locker unless you're keeping that part of your Jeep history top-secret. So what's your point or contribution here other than to just bust his chops?
None at all, which is why I didn't try to contribute some illiterate gibberish to a conversation I know nothing about.
02-06-2008 06:41 PM
Jerry Bransford
Quote:
Originally Posted by sgnellett View Post
Fantastic, input from the voice of experience!

In your many years of experience, you've had Detroit Lockers in how many Jeeps?

And how many years did you spend driving them in Cale?

BTW, where is Cale?

Oh, wait, you meant Cali, as in California, but in your continued display of ignorance, you didn't bother to even abbreviate correctly when spouting off about not one but 2 things you know nothing about!

Thanks, for nothing!
WTF? In reading your homepage, how many Detroit Lockers have you owned? It sure doesn't read like you are the voice of experience on owning even a single Detroit Locker unless you're keeping that part of your Jeep history top-secret. So what's your point or contribution here other than to just bust his chops?
02-06-2008 06:22 PM
Scoob
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrnTJ View Post
The hostility is so thick in here I think I just got stuck in 4Lo...now Im in trouble...no lockers.
LOL

You can feel the love
02-06-2008 06:06 PM
GrnTJ The hostility is so thick in here I think I just got stuck in 4Lo...now Im in trouble...no lockers.
02-06-2008 05:40 PM
sgnellett
Quote:
Originally Posted by debruins View Post
its great if you live somewhere without snow, but an auto locker int eh rear with snow is just a bad idea, so in Cale, it'll be GREAT!
Fantastic, input from the voice of experience!

In your many years of experience, you've had Detroit Lockers in how many Jeeps?

And how many years did you spend driving them in Cale?

BTW, where is Cale?

Oh, wait, you meant Cali, as in California, but in your continued display of ignorance, you didn't bother to even abbreviate correctly when spouting off about not one but 2 things you know nothing about!

Thanks, for nothing!
02-06-2008 05:32 PM
Joe Dirt www.drivetrainwarehouse.com
02-06-2008 05:02 PM
tobycat1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Dirt View Post
I'm going to buy a new Dana 44 rear axle and need to pick a locker for it. I can get it with a Detroit and 4.56 gears for $2000. My Jeep is a daily driver down So California freeways. I've heard negative stuff about a Detroit on the roadway. Is there anyone who is running one and can offer an opinion?
Where are you buying it from?
02-06-2008 04:37 PM
1BLKJP
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Nearly 100,000 miles on a rear Detroit Locker in a Dana 44 with zero problems. Its road manners are fine 98.27% of the time with just the occasional lurch or bang to remind me that, afterall, it is a Detroit Locker. My TJ was a daily driver until last month too.
Ditto. Plus it's cool when it unloads in traffic. Scares the shite out of those next to you.
02-06-2008 01:05 PM
richp
Quote:
Originally Posted by debruins View Post
its great if you live somewhere without snow, but an auto locker int eh rear with snow is just a bad idea, so in Cale, it'll be GREAT!
WHAT !!?!?!?! they work fine in the snow, you just need to remember to let off the gas when when turning in 2 wheel drive, otherwise it tends to push you straight, there was a slight 'learning curve' there the first time I tried pulling into my driveway in the snow. Had to backup and try again like four times till the lightbulb went off, started forward, let off the gas and it turned like it was on rails into and up the driveway. In 4 wheel it's hardly noticeable, at least to me.
This thread has more than 30 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:24 PM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC