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02-09-2008 04:48 PM
Boulderv7
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Originally Posted by Levinoss View Post
http://aclu.org/pizza/images/screen.swf

Watch this video I think this is what America is leading to.

~Lev
I could see this happening..... kinda scary, but oh so PC
02-09-2008 01:06 PM
Levinoss Me quoting the last part of your comment didn't SKEW anything.

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The issue is this guy is taking 5 steps back with this bill.
He's not helping obesity

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We are all already weary of big brother taking our rights away as it is.
He's not helping obesity by putting a bill out that scares people of losing their rights to eat in a restaurant.

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This does not help any, and that is my point.
If he had put out a serious attempt to HELP then people would not be upset.

^---- My point

~Lev
02-09-2008 10:52 AM
rebelBullDawg325 i'm all for the cctv.... i've got nothing to hide so i dont really care if the govt watches me abid ehte law. but thats a different topic..

but if you're going to quote me, please quote the whole thought, not just part of it that will skew my vies when read by itself.

"I DO NOT think its right or lawful for the government to do this, all i said was i think its sad that people are upset over other people wanting them to be healthy."
02-08-2008 07:25 PM
Smeghead I've had long discussions on forums about CCTV and the "Big Brother" paranoids. I used to live in the UK where there are CCTV cameras everywhere, every street, every shop, every train, bus etc etc.
Freedom isnt free. Just look how fast they caught those tube bombers thanks to CCTV.
I dont care if the government watches what I do on the internet. I dont care if they are watching where im going, or what I buy I got nothing to hide.
I have noticed Americans are much more concerned with privacy and invasion of it than just about anyone else. Thats not a criticism just an observation.
I do think its different telling someone how to live though, if someone wants to be fat its not for anyone to tell them they cant. You can tell them they SHOULDNT but not that they cant. Some people cant even help it either, its genetic. What would doctors do without unhealthy people anyway?



This is kind of off THIS topic but it was going there anyway
02-08-2008 05:36 PM
Levinoss
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i think its sad that people are upset over other people wanting them to be healthy
The issue is this guy is taking 5 steps back with this bill. We are all already weary of big brother taking our rights away as it is. This does not help any, and that is my point.

~Lev
02-08-2008 04:01 PM
rebelBullDawg325 as for healthy foods going up, i'm not talking about going out and buying speciatly foods that are "healthier". i'm just talking about not eating so much and watching your calories. you dont have to have the 3 piece twice fried special from KFC everytime you go. sure, you can if you're want, but be aware its not healthy. and notice i have yet to say that the government has the right to do this or that people have to choose to be healthy, bc i would be wrong on both accounts. i for one, do not eat healthy, heck, i'm from the deep south, just about everything i eat is either deep fried, BBQ, or has a cholesterol level so high none of our jeeps could climb it. but i do at least get out and excercise to stay in decent shape. again, i didnt say the government is right for attempting this, i just said its upsetting that people are bothered by someone trying to help get them healthy. personally, i think its wrong and unconstitutional of the government to tell you where you can and cant eat or who you can and cant serve, but on the same token, i think its sad to have gotten to the point where big brother is thinking about stepping in to make sure we stay healthy bc we as citizens obviously aren't doing it ourselves for the large majority (no pun intended).

lev, not trying to call you at all, but you said something about obese people not being able to eat in public, thats not what the bill said, it prevented restaraunts from serving them. they can take their own food and eat wherever the crap they want. and as for bringin back racial segration bc we're already discriminating, its called affirmative action. but thats a complete other topic......

i think some of yall are reading me wrong, I DO NOT think its right or lawful for the government to do this, all i said was i think its sad that people are upset over other people wanting them to be healthy.
02-08-2008 07:57 AM
02Prove
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Originally Posted by 4point View Post
You get to go to an island then.
02-08-2008 07:45 AM
Walkeraviator I personally believe in the freedoms expressed in our constitution. owever, there are limits that must be placed on freedom. For instance, when someones freedoms do harm in any manner to others, they have reached the limit of their freedoms. This is why i support laws that limit where people can smoke. I do not have the right to spray asbestos on people so why should they be allowed to fill a room with smoke that is just as dangerous to my health? Smokers should be allowed to ruin their own health outside, in their homes, and in their cars.

As for a law against "fat people"... they are harming nobody but themselves. Let them do what they want. I also believe that the gov't should keep their noses out of the regulation of how restaraunts cook. People are perfectly capable of eating healthy... but that is their choice.

They only time fat people can cause harm is when they are sitting on an airplane where weight and balance is determined based on an average adult weight of 170lbs per person. Therefore, they should be charged for two tickets.

anyways... enough of my ranting.
02-08-2008 07:33 AM
MOz I thought that's why they invented BEER GOGGLES, to cope with such maladies in life.

I've had my tour in the food industry and the pharmaceutical industry. I can honestly say, there are some things that should NOT go into anyone's body.... chemically speaking. Basically, as long as it doesn't kill you or make you sick, manufacturers can put just about any chemical into your food and GET AWAY WITH IT!

Labeling has only recently (in the last 20 years) become compendial for food manufacturers for packaged goods. The fast food market is finally getting into the picture. At least now you can read what the heck is in most foods. However, most people don't read the label and don't care.... it's the old Caveat Entor (buyer beware). Even if you do read the label, there are always chemical compounds that are included the you need a chemistry degree to understand...fillers, preservatives, "enhancers", etc. Anyone remember RED DYE #3.....not very good for you. It was used for almost a century to color food and was banned because of the cancer link.

Manufacturers are basically left on their own devices to play nice with very minimal FDA oversight. Now manufacturers are required (by law) to disclose their product contents and nutritional values....IMO this is an example of good government. At least the consumer is being made aware of what they are really eating...This is the first step...awareness. People need to understand what the heck is in the food.

The next step (which the jury is still out on) what do those ingredients do to the human body, short term and long term? People should still have the choice but they should know the facts. We are only beginning to understand the links.

I have always struggled with preservatives. Oh, they are such a great idea for food manufacturers. Twinkies can have an almost infinite shelf life as long as the bag is sealed. Those preservatives displace and kill the bad bacteria so efficiently. However, those same artificial chemical compounds that preserve the food also kill the good bacteria in your digestive system too. IMO - eating preservatives on a long term basis is a plausible link to colon and stomach cancer.

So, if you knew that eating a certain food would kill you or give you cancer, would you still eat it?
02-07-2008 10:54 PM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by jjseel View Post
I am lactose intollerant! I am fat, because I eat too much, and drink too much, for my personal activity levels! (I am the most fit person in my workplace. According to the Government, I am grossly obese)

Want a egg roll? I share ^_^


~Lev
02-07-2008 10:53 PM
Scout
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Originally Posted by jjseel View Post
I am lactose intollerant! I am fat, because I eat too much, and drink too much, for my personal activity levels! (I am the most fit person in my workplace. According to the Government, I am grossly obese)
So no milkshake?
02-07-2008 10:52 PM
jjseel
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Originally Posted by Scout View Post
Fat people suck (on milkshakes).
I am lactose intollerant! I am fat, because I eat too much, and drink too much, for my personal activity levels! (I am the most fit person in my workplace. According to the Government, I am grossly obese)
02-07-2008 10:44 PM
Scout Fat people suck (on milkshakes).
02-07-2008 10:28 PM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by Scoob View Post
I am all for you Lev, was only stating my view on the situation.. Eat away
At this point I'm just having fun so sit down and grab a egg roll.

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I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder - "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green Jell-o all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".
~Lev
02-07-2008 10:24 PM
Scoob
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Originally Posted by Levinoss View Post
What if I was?

Btw

I'm eating a fried egg roll, smoking a cigarette, and singing the Star-Spangled Banner because I can. I'll be damned if some fat politician takes those three things away from me.

~Lev

I am all for you Lev, was only stating my view on the situation.. Eat away
02-07-2008 10:14 PM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by Scoob View Post
good point, carry on.

At least your not gay too
What if I was?

Btw

I'm eating a fried egg roll, smoking a cigarette, and singing the Star-Spangled Banner because I can. I'll be damned if some fat politician takes those three things away from me.

~Lev
02-07-2008 10:06 PM
Scoob
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Originally Posted by Levinoss View Post
Well us obese people are considered ugly and obese people are a drain on the health care system.

~Lev
good point, carry on.

At least your not gay too
02-07-2008 10:05 PM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by Scoob View Post
Ugly people don't cost the state health care anything...now gays on the other hand

Well us obese people are considered ugly and obese people are a drain on the health care system.

~Lev
02-07-2008 10:02 PM
4point
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Originally Posted by 02Prove View Post
..but I'm fat and ugly.
You get to go to an island then.
02-07-2008 10:00 PM
Scoob
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Originally Posted by Smeghead View Post
Ugly people, your next!
Ugly people don't cost the state health care anything...now gays on the other hand
02-07-2008 10:00 PM
02Prove ..but I'm fat and ugly.
02-07-2008 09:46 PM
4point
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Originally Posted by Smeghead View Post
Ugly people, your next!
Round'em up and put'em in a camp.
02-07-2008 09:42 PM
Smeghead Ugly people, your next!
02-07-2008 08:45 PM
Dare2BSquare I think the goberment should figure out a way to tax people on how many calories they consume. You could get deductions for eating broccoli and stuff like that.
02-07-2008 08:44 PM
Levinoss http://aclu.org/pizza/images/screen.swf

Watch this video I think this is what America is leading to.

~Lev
02-07-2008 08:25 PM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by jjseel View Post
LEV! Chill, dude! You are missing the point! It is UNLAWFUL. It cannot be passed, unless the rule of law has been surpassed. It is not the business of the Government what or how we eat, how much, or how little we weigh. Of course, if anyone thinks that it should be like that, vote Dem<<filtered>>
Oh im <<FILTERED>> chilled

~Lev
02-07-2008 08:21 PM
jjseel LEV! Chill, dude! You are missing the point! It is UNLAWFUL. It cannot be passed, unless the rule of law has been surpassed. It is not the business of the Government what or how we eat, how much, or how little we weigh. Of course, if anyone thinks that it should be like that, vote Dem<<filtered>>
02-07-2008 08:13 PM
Levinoss
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Originally Posted by rebelBullDawg325 View Post
i'm bothered by the fact that it upsets some for someone to want to help make people healthy.
By denying them the right to eat in public? Yea, that's how you solve the health issues America is faced with. All that is doing is forcing the obese to stay in homes and get fatter so that the Skinny population doesn't have to see the obese. At least they are getting some kind of excise going out to eat instead of sitting in front of the TV stuffing their faces. Give me a bloody break, it's ridiculous.

How about we start up Racial Segregation again while we are discriminating against people?

You don't HIDE a problem you deal with it and that is all this bill is attempting to do if it did pass is HIDE the problem. Stopping someone from going to Mcdonald's is not going to make them get up and exercise everyday. All this would do is embarrass over weight people more then they already are. I don't know how much you weigh but gain about 100-200 extra pounds and see what it is like and tell us how it feels.

There is NO WAY this would work anyway, you can't judge people by weighting them anyway.There is a standard of hight/weight that the state set's which is completely retarded because everyone has a different body.

Not only would the OBESE people not go out but majority of people would not go out to eat for the fact they would have to weigh every customer and figure out what the correct weight for each person would have to be.

I could go on and on but I won't because I think everyone gets the picture. This thing is utter bullshit and should not have ever been written up. Guy needs to focus on doing something more productive with his time and tax payers money.

~Lev
02-07-2008 08:08 PM
jjseel
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Originally Posted by Scoob View Post
????

I filtered my rant. Read your constitution. Where does it say that the Government has anything to do with what we eat? It's just not right. "stuff" like this really ticks me off, and I tend to rant. This is a Forum for the exchange of ideas, specifically about the JEEP lifestyle, and even though, in OT, I felt, in my state of disgust, that it was just a little too much to print. I don't want to pay for anyone elses problems but mine. <<filtered>> Nobody REALLY wants to hear this!
02-07-2008 07:37 PM
Scoob
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Originally Posted by jjseel View Post
<<filtered>>
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