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01-24-2012 02:06 PM
Mr. Sinister Well, you were way over the limit in a Jeep full of drunks. Drunks who no doubt were a bigger distraction to the driver than sober people. Drunks who you are now responsible for should the worst happen. Man up and just pay it.
01-24-2012 01:42 PM
DaisyCutter Drowsy driving is a legitimate issue. I don't know whether it can be quantified as with alcohol with a BAC. I know people who can't operate on less than 8 hrs rest per 24 hour period. Last week I did my 40 hour week in 62 hours, and slept for all of 7 of the 12 I wasn't 10-8 at work. It's not enjoyable, and at times I'm drowsy. I typically park and watch, versus a circulatory patrol, at that point. Still, sometimes you've got to perform. I was exiting the freeway, 1/2 mile from the substation... last hour of my week, when the 0530AM hot tone came out. I got right back on the freeway, 120mph for 10 minutes all the way back to my beat and was the second unit on scene to an alleged home invasion. I get there and find a guy who's face is cut up, and he won't aid in investigation or prosecution, and won't even let fire treat his wound. Case closed on a spontaneous face laceration. Literally I was driving there physically clapped out. I had one hand on the wheel, thinking to myself that I didn't want to take the effort to reach out to the wheel with the second hand. I'm just so comfy and warm in my seat. I ain't gonna lie, I got my jacket on my lap, and all but the arm on the steering wheel is warm under the jacket. But at that speed I need a second hand to brace myself if I have to swerve abruptly. So I nutted up and used two hands, and did what I had to to get there safe... for nothing, again.

Normally I don't drive that fast, but on the rare occasion you're 15 miles away, the speed actually makes a difference. Sunday pre-dawn traffic is pretty light.
01-24-2012 12:43 PM
Divingjeeper Sorry for the long post

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Originally Posted by DaisyCutter View Post
If it's any consolation, on Sunday monring at 0200 hours, I pulled over a 18YOA guy driving 45 in a 25. He was drunk and stoned, getting a HJ/BJ from his 17 year old GF while driving.

The GF was really drunk and stoned, a few minutes into the stop, she was puking all over the place and rolling all over the ground.

A bunch of beers strewn all over the car... marijuana pipe.



A called everyone's parents in leiu of taking everyone to jail/juvie.


I destroyed the drug contraband, gave disposition of the girl, car and beers to the girl's father, and gave the boy a ride home.



I think that qualifies as a break. I gave a damn good warning. I explained that if they ran over some wino crossing the street, they'd be imprisoned for manslaughter after the prosecutor saw the drugs & alco in their blood. The girl's father is USMC for life, and IMO she'll get worse from him than the juvie court system. The 2AM phone call from the police, "Sir, your 17YO daughter was picked up in South Phoenix... drunk, stoned, and giving a BJ to some guy who was driving her car. I need you to respond and take custody of her. Otherwise she goes to juvie, and then I have to file 4-5 criminal charges against her for booking. I'd prefer to let the parental unit do the discipline and not charge anything."


I'll upload the audio later and link it. It's pretty funny when the boy tries to explain why he's driving at double the speed limit with his pants down. His drugged up GF just comes out and admits she was pleasuring him, LOL.


I wish I had audio AND video. It woulda been stellar.


Facts and Stats : Drowsy Driving – Stay Alert, Arrive Alive
This link will take you to an article about driving fatigued. Gives some facts and figures. The OP states that he had been awake for 22 hours..being awake for 24 hours is the same mental attentiveness as a person with a BAC of .10 and goes up from there depending on the rest of the sleep history.
As a LEO both military and civilian, the traffic stop is where we find many many perpetrators of other crimes during the interview with the driver. Our first clue is somebody driving excessively..

And to add a cliche here:
Ignore the rules at your peril.

Lastly OP...dispite the events... you did a great thing and your friends owe you BIG!!
01-24-2012 11:38 AM
denisbaldwin DaisyCutter - You restore my faith in good cops. I've known enough bad ones over the years that it's good to hear that there are some of you who work with the system and not for it. Now, if only I could convince the cops around here to quit pulling me over for DWT...
01-24-2012 11:35 AM
DaisyCutter
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Originally Posted by stevebanzai View Post
What the f happened to giving someone a fing break?

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If it's any consolation, on Sunday monring at 0200 hours, I pulled over a 18YOA guy driving 45 in a 25. He was drunk and stoned, getting a HJ/BJ from his 17 year old GF while driving.

The GF was really drunk and stoned, a few minutes into the stop, she was puking all over the place and rolling all over the ground.

A bunch of beers strewn all over the car... marijuana pipe.



A called everyone's parents in leiu of taking everyone to jail/juvie.


I destroyed the drug contraband, gave disposition of the girl, car and beers to the girl's father, and gave the boy a ride home.



I think that qualifies as a break. I gave a damn good warning. I explained that if they ran over some wino crossing the street, they'd be imprisoned for manslaughter after the prosecutor saw the drugs & alco in their blood. The girl's father is USMC for life, and IMO she'll get worse from him than the juvie court system. The 2AM phone call from the police, "Sir, your 17YO daughter was picked up in South Phoenix... drunk, stoned, and giving a BJ to some guy who was driving her car. I need you to respond and take custody of her. Otherwise she goes to juvie, and then I have to file 4-5 criminal charges against her for booking. I'd prefer to let the parental unit do the discipline and not charge anything."


I'll upload the audio later and link it. It's pretty funny when the boy tries to explain why he's driving at double the speed limit with his pants down. His drugged up GF just comes out and admits she was pleasuring him, LOL.


I wish I had audio AND video. It woulda been stellar.
01-23-2012 02:08 PM
Tang87
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
Good point, except for one thing. He was driving a Wrangler.
I'd rather be in a JK than a 67 mustang when it crashes. Crash Test 2007 - 2011 Jeep Wrangler 4dr. (Frontal Offset) IIHS - YouTube It's ratings are all good and acceptable....which is better than the classic cars got when the speed limits were made.
01-23-2012 08:39 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by Tang87 View Post
Speed doesn't kill, it's all about the accident and the vehicle. The speed doesn't play as big of a roll as you portray. Cars have gotten 1000 times safer since the 55 mph speed limits. I did a report on it. In Montana they had a highway that had a speed limit of "safe and prudent" the amount of fatalities dropped significantly after changing the speed limit to that. The reason? People knew what was going on and payed attention! The accidents that did happen weren't as fatal as the ones that happened prior. Speed kills is a myth that was used to try to scare people into driving slower nothing more. The data that backed it up? There was none.
Good point, except for one thing. He was driving a Wrangler.
01-23-2012 08:34 AM
That99SaharaGuy In Before The Lock!
01-23-2012 08:21 AM
denisbaldwin While I'm all for supporting DDs (and I get to play this part a lot as the only non-drinker in my group of friends), it doesn't give you a superhero status on the road. I used to deliver human tissue/ transplant body parts for a living, most of the time with a very strict schedule due to the nature of the cargo. I would still get pulled over and ticketed if I was speeding and rightfully so. You gotta deal with the speed laws. They exist for a reason.
01-23-2012 07:56 AM
Ichabod
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Originally Posted by JK-Junky View Post
All I'm trying to say, is what else do you expect, the majority of the time it's all about money, not safety. If your friend or loved ones going 10 over are you saying anything? NO, and the same goes for seat belts. Look at the revenue these campaigns create for the county's and states. No one learns a lesson from a speeding ticket.
I agree with you that there are probably some jurisdictions where revenue from tickets are a factor in why some departments write tickets, but I think those areas are in the minority.

People seem to think that as long as THEY are speeding it's okay, since they are such experienced and considerate drivers, it's the OTHER guy that ought to be getting the ticket, cuz he/she is clearly a maniac who is going to kill somebody.

Accident here last week killed two teenaged girls. Dry, country road at 3:30 pm, pickup rolled over, no seat belts.

The Courier-Journal: Archives

Revenue?

Crashes are a great revenue stream for the legal, insurance, body shop, funeral and medical professions.
01-22-2012 08:56 PM
efryday I bet we all have been let go with warnings before.

Once I was pull over a told I had 15 minutes of a daytime speed limit before I would be ticketed.

On one other occasion I was given a warning for doing 95 in a 70.

And I've been ticketed for doing as few as 5 over.

Bottom line, we get plenty of chances and training. If you speed, be ready to pay.

Ed
01-22-2012 08:45 PM
fan of fanboys
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Originally Posted by shewoolf

He is a She and I have a I6 thank you very much not that it helps with stock gears and over sized tires!
Ha apologize!!!
01-22-2012 08:43 PM
shewoolf
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Originally Posted by fan of fanboys View Post
Well, he may drive a 4 cylinder haha
He is a She and I have a I6 thank you very much not that it helps with stock gears and over sized tires!
01-22-2012 08:38 PM
fan of fanboys
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Originally Posted by JK-Junky

Oh ok you don't speed.... Really
Well, he may drive a 4 cylinder haha
01-22-2012 08:36 PM
fan of fanboys
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Originally Posted by Ichabod

DD is tired,angry and distracted by puking, yelling and general drunken behavior.

1 mistake at 68 in a 45 on a two/four lane state highway (no barriers, lots of trees)@ 0300= car full of dead/mangled drunk friends or even a head on equalling more dead, mangled people, years of lawsuits, years of angry devastated relatives, possible criminal charges.

I'd just take the ticket. I'd also be taking up a collection for expenses from my drunken, idiot friends. Especially the puker.
This last paragraph would be a great route to take ha
01-22-2012 08:34 PM
fan of fanboys
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Originally Posted by jkaufman_95

That makes it your word against the officer's... Who even if he was looking for dui's he was most defiantly shooting radar, and probably has video of you passing him, if he was wrong he defiantly wouldn't give you a ticket to contest it would be more like a 5 over ticket. Minimal impact so most won't fight it
He will also have a recent calibration report for his radar unit
If he has that calibration report then def agree with jkaufman
01-22-2012 08:31 PM
fan of fanboys
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevebanzai
What the f happened to giving someone a fing break?

Last night I was the DD, driving a bunch of drunks back from AC, and i get pulled over by a cop. He took me out of the car and had me do a sobriety test, and obviously I passed. He knew I was the designated driver and stilll couldn't cut me a break. He gave me a speeding ticket for 68 in a 45. It was on a state highway, and it was only 45 mph for a brief stretch. He also checked "safe corridor" and doubled my fines. I was too busy worried about if someone was going to puke in my car, or cause me to crash rather than my speed. It was 3 AM, and no one was on the road.

F that.
I had a somewhat similar situation but not quite

I was only a few hundred yards from where it turned into 60mph. I was in a 45. The reason for change was left the town limits but it's a rural town and was 9 or 10 at night. I started to speed up in anticipation. I was driving a 94 F-150 inline 6. That's a lot of work. He pulled me for 12 over.

Now I was just leaving work, not a DD. but it was what it was. I just had to eat it. Technically I was wrong.

But your case does suck some bc at least doing a nice thing.
01-22-2012 06:57 PM
shewoolf
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Originally Posted by JK-Junky View Post
5 over is speeding bud, and in Virginia they have a campaign for that.
I agree it is speeding and again If I get a ticket I will put on my big girl panties and pay the damn thing. I'm the one breaking the law.
01-22-2012 05:29 PM
JK-Junky
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Originally Posted by shewoolf
For the Most part not more then about 5 miles an hour over the speed limit; if I where to get caught speeding I would suck it up and accept the ticket for breaking the law.

Speed limits in 99% of cases is a hard law not to know. I mean there are signs every mile or so.
5 over is speeding bud, and in Virginia they have a campaign for that.
01-22-2012 05:22 PM
JK-Junky All I'm trying to say, is what else do you expect, the majority of the time it's all about money, not safety. If your friend or loved ones going 10 over are you saying anything? NO, and the same goes for seat belts. Look at the revenue these campaigns create for the county's and states. No one learns a lesson from a speeding ticket.
01-22-2012 05:20 PM
Beer30 Not passing judgement or anything, but another thing to think about is that studies have found that 24 hours of being awake equates to approximately a .10% BAC, in terms of impairment. So while it was a good deed of the OP to be the DD, it doesn't necessarily mean anyone was "less safe"... just "more legal."

But really, it all boils down to "no good deed goes unpunished."
01-22-2012 05:20 PM
whiteyj
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Originally Posted by shewoolf View Post
If you are not breaking the law, it shouldn't matter if they are visible or not.
A clear and concise FACT.


Quote:
Originally Posted by JK-Junky View Post
Oh ok you don't speed.... Really
No I speed, and have had 2 tickets since I turned my badge in a number of years ago. But you won't find me but hurt and crying foul on the interwebs either.

Good news is you guys had the good sense to have a DD and your speeding didn't net in your involvement in an accident. Bad news you got caught. Buck up and deal with it.

If I had $10 for every one of these threads we've had over the years I'd be a rich man.
01-22-2012 05:16 PM
shewoolf For the Most part not more then about 5 miles an hour over the speed limit; if I where to get caught speeding I would suck it up and accept the ticket for breaking the law.

Speed limits in 99% of cases is a hard law not to know. I mean there are signs every mile or so.
01-22-2012 05:05 PM
JK-Junky
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Originally Posted by RatherBNarizona

You may want to be careful about what you say on a public forum. We have quite a few LEO's and feds on here...
Calm down I'm talking about speeding and speed traps, not cooking meth.
01-22-2012 04:55 PM
JK-Junky
Quote:
Originally Posted by shewoolf
If you are not breaking the law, it shouldn't matter if they are visible or not.
Oh ok you don't speed.... Really
01-22-2012 04:25 PM
shewoolf If you are not breaking the law, it shouldn't matter if they are visible or not.
01-22-2012 03:47 PM
RatherBNarizona
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Originally Posted by JK-Junky View Post
F that, it's hard to respect someone when they're camping out in speed traps, waiting to catch someone. Now if I blow there doors off while heading down a highway then by all means. If they were "doing there jobs" they would be visible, visibility will reduce crime, not the money racketing catch and release program that is our local and highway patrol.
You may want to be careful about what you say on a public forum. We have quite a few LEO's and feds on here...
01-22-2012 03:00 PM
JK-Junky
Quote:
Originally Posted by s3nt3nc3d
I had my license revoked for 5 months when I got my second speeding ticket 2 weeks after just getting my license back from a 1 month suspension due to my first speeding ticket. My first ticket was well deserved...I was pissed at a slow car and floored it past them to prove a point...and passed an oncoming cop in the process. Second ticket...68 in a 55, on a back country highway in good weather with hardly any traffic anywhere to be seen and no cruise control. Cop nor judge cared one bit.

As much as I wish cops would issue people warnings, I have no sympathy for you. You were speeding and you got caught...you take the risk, you gotta accept the consequences. Hope for warnings, but don't expect em. The cops don't owe you anything no matter what the circumstances are. Just gotta be respectful and hope they're willing to give you a break. But if they don't, you gotta accept that they're doing their jobs.
F that, it's hard to respect someone when they're camping out in speed traps, waiting to catch someone. Now if I blow there doors off while heading down a highway then by all means. If they were "doing there jobs" they would be visible, visibility will reduce crime, not the money racketing catch and release program that is our local and highway patrol.
01-22-2012 01:08 AM
s3nt3nc3d I had my license revoked for 5 months when I got my second speeding ticket 2 weeks after just getting my license back from a 1 month suspension due to my first speeding ticket. My first ticket was well deserved...I was pissed at a slow car and floored it past them to prove a point...and passed an oncoming cop in the process. Second ticket...68 in a 55, on a back country highway in good weather with hardly any traffic anywhere to be seen and no cruise control. Cop nor judge cared one bit.

As much as I wish cops would issue people warnings, I have no sympathy for you. You were speeding and you got caught...you take the risk, you gotta accept the consequences. Hope for warnings, but don't expect em. The cops don't owe you anything no matter what the circumstances are. Just gotta be respectful and hope they're willing to give you a break. But if they don't, you gotta accept that they're doing their jobs.
01-17-2012 01:47 AM
JeepGirLHaz
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