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03-09-2008 03:54 PM
jp'rs_peep'rs Facinating thread! Truly!





C.
03-08-2008 11:45 AM
kizer If you want the ultimate in low buck and will fit 33's

2 inch budget boost
1 inch body lift
Motor mount lift
Bar bin elimnators with shock extenders
Hock puck drilled and counter suck bolted to your lower spring perch

As for black steelies and mall crawlers. Here's a picture of steps at Virtue Flat in the winter. My open/open black wheels and BFG AT's walked all over a Locked Rubicon on MTRs. Mybe its the driver? Couldn't be the wheels.



The only reason I switched out to Cooper Discoverers is I wanted a more agressive tread for mud.
03-08-2008 10:03 AM
4Jeepn either a small body lift, or a 2" spacer lift would be the way to go. You may get some rubbing with the 32's both on the lower control arm and at full flex but most likey if you adj your steering stops it should help a great deal at least with the control arm rubbing. As for tires, nothing wrong with AT's, or black steel rims.
02-26-2008 11:56 PM
Scoob
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Originally Posted by 1BLKJP View Post
Hey Scoob, giv'em a break on the All Terrain's. I could just as easily say that your MTZ's are Mall Terrains based on the tires I am running, but I won't.
LMAO!!!!


This saying has been around for many years, but by all means lets save their feelings.
02-26-2008 11:50 PM
Triple88a Thanks Big Jeep
02-26-2008 06:41 PM
1BLKJP
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Originally Posted by Scoob View Post
Mall terrains is just another name for All terrains. Since they are made mainly for mall cruising many (like myself) call them Mall Terrains. They would go perfect on a set of black steelies

To help, here is a couple pictures of MALL Terrain tires






Hey Scoob, giv'em a break on the All Terrain's. I could just as easily say that your MTZ's are Mall Terrains based on the tires I am running, but I won't.
02-26-2008 02:55 PM
mrbigjeep take a hockey puck and just use some gorilla glue on the bottom spring perch and it will act as a lower bumpstop....if the spring perch is higher (cause of the hockey puck) then the top bumpstop will hit the puck and will keep the axles from flexing anymore
02-25-2008 11:53 PM
Triple88a Big Jeep, how do you recommend "gluing" hockey pucks? Do you mind explaining. No i'm not against your advice or anything i'm actually curious as i've heard other people doing that too.
02-25-2008 10:58 PM
mrbigjeep that was quoted off the website....


honestly i don't think you'll need to extend your bumpstops if your daily driving or doing light offroading and not rocks where your gonna be flexy. if you really wanna add them then just glue hockey pucks to the spring perch or buy the BB from 4wheelcustoms (includes bumpstop extensions) and buy the bpe's/shock extenders seperate from rocky road
02-25-2008 05:27 PM
Triple88a
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Originally Posted by Scooby View Post
These extensions are absolutely unnecessary unless you're jumping your Jeep at some sand dunes (bad idea if its your daily driver).... bumpstop extensions are 100% unnecessary. Bag that unnecessary expense and pick up a kit that will actually improve your suspension flex instead of worsening it. Our kit includes Shock Extensions that do the trick!!!
No. Bumpstops limit how far your tires can travel up into the flares. With my 30" tires back when my jeep was stock i believe i had about 1" of space where the tire would rub the metal fender inside. If i add 32s it will rub the fender when i'm flexing only one tire at a time.

Shock extensions have nothing to do with the stock bump stops (unless they are way too tall to a point where the shock bottoms out before the actual bump stop hits)

Bumpstops are necessary to keep bigger tires out of your fenders. This is where body lifts come in very handy. Adding a bodylift will rise the fenders up higher so instead of using bump stops, your fenders will be up higher.

The next problem i see with out extending your bump stops and just adding plastic spacers on top of the stock coils can over compress the original coil (mostly if you're rock crawling). Just to give you an idea, imagine you have your coil that is 10" long. When you fully compress it it goes down to 5" and then the stock bumpstops hit and limit it from going any further. Now you put 2" plastic spacer on top of that 10" coil but do not extend the bump stops. The spacer cannot compress so the spring has to compress more. Your bump stops will hit at 5" however you have a 2" spacer on top of the stock spring so that will leave your spring only 3" of space. Get the idea?

Thats only for spacers though, if you buy longer springs it should be fine.

By shock extensions i believe they are talking about bar pin eliminator kit or whatever its called. That is good to have as it eliminates knocking because of the shocks sliding left and right across the pin that holds them to the frame (rear) or axle (front) and it also gives the shock about 1/2" of drop.
02-25-2008 02:25 PM
richp For new in the box thats about as good as you are going to find.
02-25-2008 12:26 PM
Scooby
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Originally Posted by mrbigjeep View Post
lol you have a very good point.

if you don't wanna do a BL i would go with a BB. if your goin with 32's you may as well go with a 2" BB. you shouldn't have vibes. if you do then drop the tcase slightly with washers. as for shocks, you can buy shock extenders (which i use in the rear of my jeep and they work great) or new shocks. i don't guess you would HAVE to buy new shocks but i would suggest it.

So if Iam understanding you correctly this is what I should buy, and this is where I should buy it:

A big difference you'll find between a Rocky Road Budget lift and others is that we give you something you actually HAVE TO HAVE when you put 2" on your Jeep, BPE (Bar Pin Eliminator) Shock Extensions. All other kits only provide coil spacers only, or they give you a bumpstop extension. These extensions are absolutely unnecessary unless you're jumping your Jeep at some sand dunes (bad idea if its your daily driver).... bumpstop extensions are 100% unnecessary. Bag that unnecessary expense and pick up a kit that will actually improve your suspension flex instead of worsening it. Our kit includes Shock Extensions that do the trick!!!



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02-25-2008 11:54 AM
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To tell you the truth the answers are different, I guess that is why I keep asking because I have become confused. This time I have read about possibly using Rubi shocks, then a 1" spacer will do it, before it was a 2" spacer, you told be about the shock extenders etc, etc. I actually gave it a break and said screw it, I will just install 31's and be done with it. Then I start thinking that I bought the Soft 8's and they will accept 32's so why not get the biggest tire that I can get, but then I realize that I should get some lift so it does not look like the tire is right up to the flare, I would like some space between there so then I ask again, but I get different answers. I just know that I want the easiest way because I do not want to get into some kind of snowball effect that if I do this then I have to do that and then the expense gets out of hand. Originally I was going to buy the Skyjacker kit from Quadratec, but then I was told that it was not a good idea, then I get information about doing a lift for 1/2 the price of the Skyjacker kit, so I guess Iam just spinning my wheels, no pun intended! I was going to do just the 2" spacers and I thought that all was good, but then I needed new and longer shocks, but now I don't need longer shocks, I need shock extenders. I don't want to do a BL, I know that much. Scooby
lol you have a very good point.

if you don't wanna do a BL i would go with a BB. if your goin with 32's you may as well go with a 2" BB. you shouldn't have vibes. if you do then drop the tcase slightly with washers. as for shocks, you can buy shock extenders (which i use in the rear of my jeep and they work great) or new shocks. i don't guess you would HAVE to buy new shocks but i would suggest it.
02-25-2008 11:12 AM
kg4kpg
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Originally Posted by Scoob View Post
Mall terrains is just another name for All terrains. Since they are made mainly for mall cruising many (like myself) call them Mall Terrains. They would go perfect on a set of black steelies
To help, here is a couple pictures of MALL Terrain tires



Fella here did some pretty deep mud holes with these (33's) this past weekend and did pretty well. Not a real aggressive tread, but if you know how to drive they can be used pretty well. Same with BFG A/T's.
02-25-2008 10:48 AM
Scooby
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Originally Posted by mrbigjeep View Post
Thats why the JKS BL sucks . They make you drill to relocate the fan shroud. I guess its fine if you plan on doing a MML.

The PA comes with brackets and i highly doubt you could get a MML done in 15 minutes if it is your first time.

scooby, just wondering how many answers you need. you ask the same question. why would the answer be different now...just messing with ya

i've got about 20K on my BFG MT's and they still look almost new.
To tell you the truth the answers are different, I guess that is why I keep asking because I have become confused. This time I have read about possibly using Rubi shocks, then a 1" spacer will do it, before it was a 2" spacer, you told be about the shock extenders etc, etc. I actually gave it a break and said screw it, I will just install 31's and be done with it. Then I start thinking that I bought the Soft 8's and they will accept 32's so why not get the biggest tire that I can get, but then I realize that I should get some lift so it does not look like the tire is right up to the flare, I would like some space between there so then I ask again, but I get different answers. I just know that I want the easiest way because I do not want to get into some kind of snowball effect that if I do this then I have to do that and then the expense gets out of hand. Originally I was going to buy the Skyjacker kit from Quadratec, but then I was told that it was not a good idea, then I get information about doing a lift for 1/2 the price of the Skyjacker kit, so I guess Iam just spinning my wheels, no pun intended! I was going to do just the 2" spacers and I thought that all was good, but then I needed new and longer shocks, but now I don't need longer shocks, I need shock extenders. I don't want to do a BL, I know that much. Scooby
02-25-2008 09:40 AM
mrbigjeep
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Originally Posted by orange05tj View Post
My BL came with no brackets for the fan shroud and was impossible to get a drill in there to move the shroud. I found the mml to be a quite simple job.
Thats why the JKS BL sucks . They make you drill to relocate the fan shroud. I guess its fine if you plan on doing a MML.

The PA comes with brackets and i highly doubt you could get a MML done in 15 minutes if it is your first time.

scooby, just wondering how many answers you need. you ask the same question. why would the answer be different now...just messing with ya

i've got about 20K on my BFG MT's and they still look almost new.
02-25-2008 09:39 AM
Scooby
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The expensive part of him going to 32's is not the lift. That is cheap and easy. His problem is the 11.5 tires and the rubbing they are going to cause. With factory rims and their 5.5" backspace is not going to be enough to stop the wheels from rubbing. he either needs different wheels (cheasy steelies) or a set of wheel spacers. Either way its a big added expense.
If money is that tight Scooby I would just go with a set of 31X10.5 MALL Terrains (like I posted pictures of) on your factory wheels. You will need no lift or anyhting at all and most of the people at the mall wont know the difference between a 31 and a 32.
I should have been clearer with my original post because last fall I had a set of black Soft 8's installed, but I used my 30" tires. What does this change with what I should do to install 32" tires? I do not know how much backspacing these have, but I know that before my spare tire sat against the isolators, but now they are close to 2" away. I remember something about the tire guy saying that these wheels are 4 degree. Maybe I just need to drive to Omaha and you can give me a class on this! Thanks again, Scooby
02-24-2008 09:54 PM
Triple88a I"ll post few pics in the picture thread of the trip as i dont want to hijack Scoobys thread with my trip. Scooby what are you planning on doing?
02-24-2008 09:29 PM
Scoob
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Originally Posted by Triple88a View Post
once it warms up i will. the problem i have now is its over 100 miles to get to the CLOSEST offroad park.

i took it around my gf grandfathers farm through those small dirt roads today.

got some mud on it but it was just too frozen.
I feel your pain. I wish I was that close to a place to wheel. The closest one to us (Omaha, Nebraska) is Tuttle Creek ORV in Randolph Kansas. 195 miles from my driveway to the park entrance. We go every chance we get though. In the summer its every month for a weekend in the winter its about every other month. The snow and cold makes it like all new trials.
02-24-2008 09:24 PM
Triple88a
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Originally Posted by Scoob View Post
You should take that thing to an off road park at least once. If nothing else to get some pics

once it warms up i will. the problem i have now is its over 100 miles to get to the CLOSEST offroad park.

i took it around my gf grandfathers farm through those small dirt roads today.

got some mud on it but it was just too frozen.
02-24-2008 09:21 PM
orange05tj I didn't know the MTZ got that kind of milage. Damm, wish I researched first.
02-24-2008 09:14 PM
Scoob
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I am ditching my MT's for Mall Terrains only because I do 1000 miles a week back and forth to work and school and MT's wore down to fast. I need a tire that will get long wear. I'm going to miss the sound of the mt's howling down the road.
I have 45K on my Mickey Thompson MTZ's right now and still have 11/32'nd of an inch of tread left. Enough to make me to about 50-55K. But I will change them out in about a month or 2 for new ones.
02-24-2008 09:03 PM
orange05tj I am ditching my MT's for Mall Terrains only because I do 1000 miles a week back and forth to work and school and MT's wore down to fast. I need a tire that will get long wear. I'm going to miss the sound of the mt's howling down the road.
02-24-2008 08:59 PM
Scoob Mall terrains, I see. Don't get all defencive Trip. For some people mall terrains are the perfect choice. Like when all your "wheeling" is done in the city and on the streets.
If your going to spend all your time on the road running around town there is really no need for a mud tire. Your better off them rather then having to listen to a mud tire when all your after is "the Look". Which is why they created the Mall terrain.

You should take that thing to an off road park at least once. If nothing else to get some pics
02-24-2008 08:47 PM
Triple88a actually they are ALL TERRAINS
thats a 3-4 foot speed bump as you call it.


When my gf uploads pics from the weekend trip i'll post few more pics.

But those 35s handle the 2 feet of snow out in the country great.

btw i didnt know you go through mud, snow, sand, rocks and other stuff to get to the mall.
02-24-2008 08:42 PM
Scoob
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Originally Posted by Triple88a View Post
actually on my 35s not 33s
35" mall terrains or street tires, they must be making them speed bumps you "wheel" on big now days
02-24-2008 08:28 PM
Triple88a
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Originally Posted by Scoob View Post
In your case, on MALL terrain tires

or are you runing street tires now?
actually on my 35s not 33s
02-24-2008 08:23 PM
orange05tj but people can tell stick on armor at the mall.
02-24-2008 08:16 PM
Scoob
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Originally Posted by Triple88a View Post
and how do you get to the mall?

In your case, on MALL terrain tires

or are you runing street tires now?
02-24-2008 08:16 PM
Scoob The expensive part of him going to 32's is not the lift. That is cheap and easy. His problem is the 11.5 tires and the rubbing they are going to cause. With factory rims and their 5.5" backspace is not going to be enough to stop the wheels from rubbing. he either needs different wheels (cheasy steelies) or a set of wheel spacers. Either way its a big added expense.
If money is that tight Scooby I would just go with a set of 31X10.5 MALL Terrains (like I posted pictures of) on your factory wheels. You will need no lift or anyhting at all and most of the people at the mall wont know the difference between a 31 and a 32.
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