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07-10-2012 10:13 AM
Walkingstick
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobthetj03
I can only give you advise on the OME kit. Money well spent! The ride is IMO better than stock. Great for DD. A suspension lift greater than 3.5" may require you to add a SYE and double cardan rear driveline to avoid vibes.
Not in a rubicon. Rubi's already have SYEs/w Rear CV shaft
07-10-2012 09:40 AM
The Korean
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moroney167
Savvy.

I was just their. And wheeled plenty jeeps and seen other setups. Savvy 3" kit shut me, and many others up on what it was capable of. And match that with rubicon capabilities stock. You'll be in an off road Cadillac.

Coming from me who was IM GOING 5" long arm 35's flexing like a gymnast on muscle relaxers this that no one else knows what they are talking about.

3" savvy kit is a jaw dropper.

But for budget I highly suggest OME an stock arms you can always add later. 33's r my favorite. Fully locked 33's will be near unstoppable unless you know your in a club or trails required to have bigger.

My other biggest thing I learned from and gla I listened was DITCH THE 16" stock wheels. Matches w factory 31's they are E load range and ride like wagon wheels and weight a TON. Go 15" an C load. Amazing difference and I went from Eload 31's on stock Moab 16" wheels. Down to 15x8 rims and 33x10.5 KM2's and LOST 2lbs PER WHEELS.
Thanx for the review/information. I recently had to buy new 16" wheels, but my buddy has a set of 15" wheels he's going to sell me for cheap.
07-10-2012 09:38 AM
The Korean
Quote:
Originally Posted by bathindian
So KOREAN what did you decide. I am in the same boat as you (05 Rubi 6 spd) . I am looking for 3" lift and 33" tires. After reading the forums i am kinda liking savvy and AEV. AEV doesn't make a complete short arm kit for TJ but they suggested their 3 1/2" JK springs with OMU 2" shocks, real trackbar relocator to begin with. I called savvy and was told that i would need adjustable control arms along with their 3" inch springs, Rancho's, front anti rock, new CV at least.
I also would like to spend around 1500 (excluding tires) to begin with and add on later ( i was thinking Control arms later) but it looks like that i have to put in atleast 2 grand for the kit + CV to begin with.
I hope this is meaningful information to you if you haven't decided yet ..and looking for your thoughts on journey through this maze.
I haven't bought a lift kit or tires yet... but I'm down to either the Savvy Kit or the Rock Krawler Kit. I'm still in the process of moving from Detroit to Long Beach/Los Angeles (home in Colorado for a few more days), but once I get out to Long Beach ill start researching and make a decision.
06-20-2012 09:15 PM
bathindian Thanks for the advice Moroney ...I think for now i am going to keep my wheels ..dont want to spend another grand now ..since I am leaning towards the full kit and adding drive shaft to the mix. Down the line i might get 15 inch wheels as i have read there are more and cheaper option of tires for that size alogn with weight benefit.
06-18-2012 10:34 PM
Moroney167 Savvy.

I was just their. And wheeled plenty jeeps and seen other setups. Savvy 3" kit shut me, and many others up on what it was capable of. And match that with rubicon capabilities stock. You'll be in an off road Cadillac.

Coming from me who was IM GOING 5" long arm 35's flexing like a gymnast on muscle relaxers this that no one else knows what they are talking about.

3" savvy kit is a jaw dropper.

But for budget I highly suggest OME an stock arms you can always add later. 33's r my favorite. Fully locked 33's will be near unstoppable unless you know your in a club or trails required to have bigger.

My other biggest thing I learned from and gla I listened was DITCH THE 16" stock wheels. Matches w factory 31's they are E load range and ride like wagon wheels and weight a TON. Go 15" an C load. Amazing difference and I went from Eload 31's on stock Moab 16" wheels. Down to 15x8 rims and 33x10.5 KM2's and LOST 2lbs PER WHEELS.
06-18-2012 09:55 PM
bathindian So KOREAN what did you decide. I am in the same boat as you (05 Rubi 6 spd) . I am looking for 3" lift and 33" tires. After reading the forums i am kinda liking savvy and AEV. AEV doesn't make a complete short arm kit for TJ but they suggested their 3 1/2" JK springs with OMU 2" shocks, real trackbar relocator to begin with. I called savvy and was told that i would need adjustable control arms along with their 3" inch springs, Rancho's, front anti rock, new CV at least.
I also would like to spend around 1500 (excluding tires) to begin with and add on later ( i was thinking Control arms later) but it looks like that i have to put in atleast 2 grand for the kit + CV to begin with.
I hope this is meaningful information to you if you haven't decided yet ..and looking for your thoughts on journey through this maze.
03-01-2012 01:40 PM
IslandTJ ^Good idea.
03-01-2012 01:32 PM
The Korean So I suddenly had an idea and correct me if I'm wrong. I'm going to wait on the lift (more than likely buy a few different parts other than the lift and tires) and go wheeling a few times with it stock first to see how it does and to get a feel for the Rubi. I've honestly never wheeled it (or a Jeep in general) and I'm assuming it's going to be a smidge different than my old lifted Subaru.
02-14-2012 10:58 PM
IslandTJ
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Korean View Post
...I understand it's stay at or below a 3" lift unless you want to deal with the vibe issues.
Not necessarily, there are instances of 2" suspension lifts impacting driveline angles enough to result in vibes.

I unfortunately, was one of those instances.
02-14-2012 07:19 PM
Imped I'm not following....the last place you see "extra frame" is the wheel wells.
02-14-2012 07:11 PM
The Korean
Quote:
Originally Posted by Imped View Post
As for your body lift "hatred"--when you get tired of getting high centered and dragging your belly over everything in site or just dealing with the eyesore that is the stock belly pan, you'll have to get over it.

Find my body lift:

Pictures

Compared to no body lift and stock belly pan:

Picture

What's a bigger eyesore? A 1" body lift or the stock belly pan?
Hum... while I do like the look of not having the stock belly pan I do not like being able to see that much of the frame in the wheel wells. Guess it's all just personal preference. I definitely like your Jeep though!
02-14-2012 07:09 PM
The Korean
Quote:
Originally Posted by Imped View Post
And to help clear up the above subject--Rubicons come with a fixed rear output yoke. There is no 'slip yoke to eliminate.' The stock drive shaft is still a single-joint shaft similar to any other TJ equipped with a slip yoke so the same rules apply. Above ~2.5-3" of drivetrain height you'll start dealing with vibes. A double cardan drive shaft with the proper flange output will bolt up to the rear output. Given that it's the right length and you have the means to adjust the pinion angle (adjustable rear arms and not just the uppers), you're good to go.

On that note, once you rotate the pinion up to match the angle of the drive shaft (how a double cardan drive shaft needs to be oriented), you'll start to see other interference areas depending on how high you've got to tilt it. There are ways to fix all of these things but not all of them are "bolt on" solutions.
I'm definitely quite the newb and that all looks like foreign language to me (note to self that I need to read up on more of what you wrote about), but if there's at least something I understand it's stay at or below a 3" lift unless you want to deal with the vibe issues.
02-14-2012 12:34 PM
The Korean Is Gerald not on here?
02-14-2012 12:05 PM
Imped And to help clear up the above subject--Rubicons come with a fixed rear output yoke. There is no 'slip yoke to eliminate.' The stock drive shaft is still a single-joint shaft similar to any other TJ equipped with a slip yoke so the same rules apply. Above ~2.5-3" of drivetrain height you'll start dealing with vibes. A double cardan drive shaft with the proper flange output will bolt up to the rear output. Given that it's the right length and you have the means to adjust the pinion angle (adjustable rear arms and not just the uppers), you're good to go.

On that note, once you rotate the pinion up to match the angle of the drive shaft (how a double cardan drive shaft needs to be oriented), you'll start to see other interference areas depending on how high you've got to tilt it. There are ways to fix all of these things but not all of them are "bolt on" solutions.
02-14-2012 11:24 AM
bobthetj03
Quote:
Originally Posted by gixxerphil View Post
I didn't think you needed a SYE with a Rubi
Guess I should quit reading these late at night! I stand corrected. Still might need the DCDS. Oh yeah, adjustable rear upper CA's too. Savvy = WIN!
02-14-2012 10:36 AM
Imped As for your body lift "hatred"--when you get tired of getting high centered and dragging your belly over everything in site or just dealing with the eyesore that is the stock belly pan, you'll have to get over it.

Find my body lift:





Compared to no body lift and stock belly pan:


What's a bigger eyesore? A 1" body lift or the stock belly pan?
02-14-2012 06:42 AM
lovethetrails5 Go with savvy go to the jeepforum and pm Gerald he will give you a good deal
02-14-2012 02:17 AM
B.B. I have the OME Ultimate kit from DPG Offroad with JKS front and rear adjustable track bars & quicker disconnects. I used the XJ OME coils in front with 3/4" spacer since I added the 100# custom bumper and 85# winch. Used standard OME medium coils in the rear with the hardtop. Then added the 1.25 BL that is included in the Ultimate Package from DPG. Rubi sits with a perfect stance for my liking.

I also upgraded to the Brown Dog MML with flex rubber. I then rebooted with Ion Alloy 15x8 style 174 wheels, 3.5" BS (wish it was 4.0) and 33 12.50 15 Duratracs load rate C. Rubi drives and rides better than stock. Haven't wheeled it hard, but then I am moderate off-road at worst.

I understand There may be better products out there, however this setup works well for me. Lifts follow the 20/80 rule....that is the last 20% of goodie will cost you 80% of the money !!!

Call Dirk at DPG, the call is free..........
02-14-2012 02:00 AM
B.B.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gixxerphil View Post
I didn't think you needed a SYE with a Rubi
You don't.......
02-14-2012 12:54 AM
gixxerphil
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobthetj03 View Post
I can only give you advise on the OME kit. Money well spent! The ride is IMO better than stock. Great for DD. A suspension lift greater than 3.5" may require you to add a SYE and double cardan rear driveline to avoid vibes.

I didn't think you needed a SYE with a Rubi
02-14-2012 12:38 AM
The Korean Woah... lets get one thing straight about me... I don't like cheap and I'm not trying to skimp out on the most important modification... the lift. Nor did I buy the Rubi (spent months looking for a locally owned, 1 or 2 owners, manual, non off-roaded, mint condition, and reasonably priced Rubi) just to throw on some random cheap parts for the sake of throwing on parts and calling it good. I learned to do my research from my last build and built a very nice little lifted Subaru that got a lot of recognition and lots of people asking questions about it... not to mention I was quite happy with. In the end, the last thing to do was lift it a smidge higher (so I could run some light off road truck tires) and motor swap it... but that's getting into the weeds and I've now moved on to this project. I learned a lot from my last build, it really showed in the end, and I want to do the same with this project. My price range is $1200-1500, but that was just a ballpark for getting it in the next month or so. If I wait a couple more months I could sit at around $2500-3000 for the lift and lift accessories. It was my impression though, that the more pricy kits were mainly long arm kits which I was figuring I wouldn't really need/take full advantage of being it's mainly a DD and no future plans to get into huge rock crawling (but then again that could always change). However, if there's a kit full of win that's more money, then I don't mind waiting and judging by your recommendations I'm liking your input and that I thank you for.

EDIT: BTW, this is the first time I've even looked into Savvy... Thanks...
02-13-2012 11:37 PM
krughzn
Quote:
Originally Posted by Imped
This is getting exhausting.......what happened to research and logic?

Savvy Offroad

Currie Jeep 4x4 Off-Road Parts / Accessories - Wrangler JK,TJ,YJ,CJ,MJ - Axles, Brakes, Differentials, Rearends

All you need to know.
Exactly. I never understood why someone would pay more for the Rubicon then start to skimp on the lift, although the OP is at least spending $1,500. Save a few hundy more and get the Savvy lift. You will not be disappointed.
02-13-2012 09:12 PM
Imped This is getting exhausting.......what happened to research and logic?

Savvy Offroad

Currie Jeep 4x4 Off-Road Parts / Accessories - Wrangler JK,TJ,YJ,CJ,MJ - Axles, Brakes, Differentials, Rearends

All you need to know.
02-13-2012 08:57 PM
bobthetj03 I can only give you advise on the OME kit. Money well spent! The ride is IMO better than stock. Great for DD. A suspension lift greater than 3.5" may require you to add a SYE and double cardan rear driveline to avoid vibes.
02-13-2012 07:43 PM
The Korean
This, this or that?! Which TJ Lift to go with? Cliff notes and long winded version...

Cliff Notes Version
Hey All,
Which lift would you go with?!?! I have a 05 TJ Rubi 6-speed

Long Winded Version
Hey All,
Well I thought I was actually going to be able to get away without posting "another lift" thread, but I'm really struggling... I've narrowed down my lift search to three kits and can't decide which one... this is where I need ya'lls help/opinions/comments.

I'm looking at the following:
1. Old Man Emu Ultimate TJ/LJ Wrangler Kit
2. Rock Krawler Entry Level 3.5" Lift Kit
3. TrailMaster 4" Suspension Lift with Flex Arms and SSV Shocks

Opinions? Comments? Any add-on's needed in addition to the lift kit itself ie adjustable upper/lower control arms? I already know no matter what I'm upgrading shocks to the Rancho 9000XL. The original owner upgraded the shocks to the Rancho 9000XL's and installed the MyRide Wireless System... I love it (the ride is great along with the ability to adjust it) and figure since the controller, air lines, and air pump are already installed that I'll just upgrade to the shocks meant for a lift and swap them out.

Jeep Specs
-05 TJ Rubi with the 6 speed manual

What I'm looking for:
-Being able to run 33/11.5-12.5/15 or 16" tires
-Similar ride quality to OEM or better
-Price range $1200-1500 (thank you tax return and selling of the old rally Subaru)... if not a smidge more... I honestly don't mind spending the ducketts as long as it's worth it, respectable, and well built
-Something that will perform well right out the box
-Something that is easy to build upon/upgrade components later on

What the Jeep is/will be used for:
-DD first and foremost
-Weekend trail riding, sand dunes... and maybe some mudding. Not really sure about rock crawling as Ive never attempted it

From searching around and researching I honestly can't decide which kit to go with. I know you get what you pay for, but all have great reviews. I've asked a few friends and get 1 of 3 responses... "those are too much, go with something cheap but upgrade your shocks", "never used that kit", or "save your ducketts for a nice pricy kit". I know I know opinions are opinions, but ugh... decisions decisions. I've been talking to one member via PM about the RK kit and it sounds like an epic win, recently started lookin into the TrailMaster Kit, and the OME kit is well... ya we all know about that one... win as well. The only thing I'm not a real big fan of is the 1.25" body lift that comes with the OME kit. I hate the look of the BL and will never do a BL so I guess that one is outta the picture... So I give up. Your $.02 would be greatly appreciated. Hope I included enough info...

Oh one more thing... I'm just going to do the lift for now and run the 31/245/16 (that set of numbers looks completely in the wrong order..., but that's the info on the tires) BFG M/T's that I have on the Jeep now til a. I have enough spare change in the Jeep Fund for wheels and tires (will be right back up to par once I finish moving) and b. move to Cali later this summer (driving from lovely Detroit and don't want to put that many miles on brand new expensive off road tires). Will it look silly...?!?! Yes I'm already well aware it will look not so epic...

Thanx for your time and thanx in advance.
Jonny Walker

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