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09-29-2006 09:11 PM
Skitzic Everything I would have said has been said already...It's all about taste, and we can't hold taste against anyone. If you don't like it, don't get it. It's as simple as that.
09-28-2006 03:35 PM
Scout
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Originally Posted by Fapple
I love my SWB.... but I had some difficulty climbing up this rock. Now I have an 2003 Rubicon 4” long arm lift 1” body on 35" BFG Krawlers. I made many attempts before I finally made it up. I’m embarrassed to say it took me about 15 minutes to finally get up it. If you look at the picture, you can see my problem. The angle of my jeep caused all my weight to shift to the back. Front tires didn’t have any weight on them so they just spun and couldn’t get the grip needed to pull me up. Back tires had a vertical climb with all the weight shifted on them. In any case, my buddy with his LJ made it with a 5.5” lift on 35’s climbed up this first time like it was flat ground. The reason for this was his longer wheelbase, he had gotten more weight on the rock before his rear tires hit the vertical of the rock. His fronts had enough weight to pull his rear right up. I love my SWB and would probably never own a Unlimited, but they are Jeeps and in some cases (like this rock I showed you) can out perform us SWB Jeeps. We should not think of LJs as just mall crawlers or only good to send on coffee runs. They are ALL JEEP!


Frank

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^^^ NICE ^^^
09-28-2006 03:33 PM
Scout Here's a reason to go SWB over LWD. Every LWB got stuck on this little hill. Not a single SWB (lifted or not) got stuck.



I tried to rotate this one with no luck. Turn your monitor on it's side.

09-28-2006 03:04 PM
JasonCherokee There is a difference between a Stretched (lets assume the stretch equals a stock LJ) wheelbase on a TJ and a stock wheelbase LJ.

The TJ would have the rear wheels moved farther back making the departure angle probably over 90 degrees while the LJ will be banging the bumper. The wheelbase on the LJ is an advantage but the extra body length behind the axle is a disadvantage. But that disadvantage is no worse than a stock SWB TJ.

Like was said before....after you get past 35" tires you are going to be looking for much harder trails. This means you will need the extra wheelbase for stability and climbing ability. I mean a set of 40" tires on a SWB TJ would look rediculous and be unstable.
09-05-2006 08:51 AM
mrbigjeep
Quote:
Originally Posted by hoser
In theory or fact, what would be best for getting around in snow or out of deep mud (or overall bad road condition in the mountains) -- SWB or LWB?
i guess SWB would do better in mud holes because theres less to come through the mud
09-05-2006 07:05 AM
jeeperman
Quote:
Originally Posted by hoser
In theory or fact, what would be best for getting around in snow or out of deep mud (or overall bad road condition in the mountains) -- SWB or LWB?
LWB will handle better in the snow... The back end will not be as likely to pass the front... In deep mud, you won't see much difference though.
09-05-2006 12:06 AM
hoser
Best for snow, mug and icy roads?

In theory or fact, what would be best for getting around in snow or out of deep mud (or overall bad road condition in the mountains) -- SWB or LWB?
09-04-2006 07:29 PM
Scotty355 It's a good thing the internet is relatively young or some of us would still be arguing how the MB was better and Jeep never should have changed anything.
09-04-2006 04:14 PM
JeepGuyLJ Nice pic looks like a really good trail to have alot of fun at.
09-04-2006 03:23 PM
mrbigjeep thats pretty steep...i can see why it was tough
09-04-2006 11:57 AM
Fapple I love my SWB.... but I had some difficulty climbing up this rock. Now I have an 2003 Rubicon 4” long arm lift 1” body on 35" BFG Krawlers. I made many attempts before I finally made it up. I’m embarrassed to say it took me about 15 minutes to finally get up it. If you look at the picture, you can see my problem. The angle of my jeep caused all my weight to shift to the back. Front tires didn’t have any weight on them so they just spun and couldn’t get the grip needed to pull me up. Back tires had a vertical climb with all the weight shifted on them. In any case, my buddy with his LJ made it with a 5.5” lift on 35’s climbed up this first time like it was flat ground. The reason for this was his longer wheelbase, he had gotten more weight on the rock before his rear tires hit the vertical of the rock. His fronts had enough weight to pull his rear right up. I love my SWB and would probably never own a Unlimited, but they are Jeeps and in some cases (like this rock I showed you) can out perform us SWB Jeeps. We should not think of LJs as just mall crawlers or only good to send on coffee runs. They are ALL JEEP!


Frank

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09-04-2006 07:07 AM
mrbigjeep
Quote:
Originally Posted by victorymyst
Let's face it a SWB jeep has a better turning radius than my lawn mower. On the trail maneuverability is paramount. LG's are designed for wannabe's to drive to starbucks.
may have better turning radius but doesn't mean that the LJ's aren't better offroad than the SWB in some areas...did you see JeepGuyLJ's pics? looks like he does pretty well offroad! and i didn't know they had starbucks out there!!!

and a jeep is a jeep...as long as it aint sittin on dubs then its great and no one should criticize!
09-04-2006 05:43 AM
Odhinn
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Originally Posted by bluvikng
I cannot believe I timed out. I had a beautiful post going here. What is up with this timming out crap. I was just trying to say that this argument between LWB vs. SWB is mute. Different Jeeps for different life styles, and body styles. My B-I-L is 6'-6" and over 350lbs. Does he like his LJ............no..........he loves his LJ. At least Jeep recognized that all people are not created equal. Neither are their tastes. Yes, a LJ will high center, and hit the back bumper, before a SWB. For rock crawling, a strecthed WB will prevail over a stock SWB Jeep everytime. You cannot beat your front tires hitting a vertical wall before your bumper does. You cannot beat a 90 deg. departure angle. Does everyone worry about that...........no..........not hardly. Let the people that like their scramblers, and LJ's enjoy their Jeeps without ridicule. At least they have a Jeep, and that is all that anyone on this forum should worry about. I have a regular Rubicon TJ, and a stretched out 106" wheelbase YJ, and love them both. They both have their purpose, and they both fit different wheeling styles. This is a forum of Jeep'n, and I would think that would include the ones that like one WB over the other. This is such a great forum, and should not discriminate over petty things like personal preference on Jeeps.

Well said a Jeep is a Jeep no matter what it looks like. We all have different taste's and we all have the right to those taste's without persecution.
09-04-2006 03:04 AM
JeepGuyLJ Well Said. bluvikng
09-04-2006 12:31 AM
amerijeep yeah, come on with it. you are almost in the grand club. 1000 posts!! You're now in the elite. There is only three of us, including you blu.
09-04-2006 12:15 AM
Dare2BSquare well it is Sunday. preach on brother!
09-04-2006 12:01 AM
bluvikng I cannot believe I timed out. I had a beautiful post going here. What is up with this timming out crap. I was just trying to say that this argument between LWB vs. SWB is mute. Different Jeeps for different life styles, and body styles. My B-I-L is 6'-6" and over 350lbs. Does he like his LJ............no..........he loves his LJ. At least Jeep recognized that all people are not created equal. Neither are their tastes. Yes, a LJ will high center, and hit the back bumper, before a SWB. For rock crawling, a strecthed WB will prevail over a stock SWB Jeep everytime. You cannot beat your front tires hitting a vertical wall before your bumper does. You cannot beat a 90 deg. departure angle. Does everyone worry about that...........no..........not hardly. Let the people that like their scramblers, and LJ's enjoy their Jeeps without ridicule. At least they have a Jeep, and that is all that anyone on this forum should worry about. I have a regular Rubicon TJ, and a stretched out 106" wheelbase YJ, and love them both. They both have their purpose, and they both fit different wheeling styles. This is a forum of Jeep'n, and I would think that would include the ones that like one WB over the other. This is such a great forum, and should not discriminate over petty things like personal preference on Jeeps.
09-03-2006 11:39 PM
Dare2BSquare
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Originally Posted by firstaidTJ
here's a buddy of mine....on his way to Starbucks
You go guy!
09-03-2006 11:24 PM
Texapple
Quote:
Originally Posted by victorymyst
Let's face it a SWB jeep has a better turning radius than my lawn mower. On the trail maneuverability is paramount. LG's are designed for wannabe's to drive to starbucks.
here's a buddy of mine....on his way to Starbucks
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09-03-2006 11:13 PM
JeepGuyLJ Hey why are you being so harsh we are all jeep drivers if want talk like that about jeeps why dont u just go and buy a toyota or nissan. i have a LJ and i off-road every chance i get and i never had a problem out on the trail maybe even do better than the SWB jeep. But its a jeep and you shouldnt talk bad about jeep like i said go and buy a toyota or nissan if you want to talk that much crap. I like all jeeps SWB or LWD it does not matter their still the best off-road rigs out there.

ONLY IN A JEEP
09-03-2006 10:51 PM
victorymyst
SWB is the way to go

Let's face it a SWB jeep has a better turning radius than my lawn mower. On the trail maneuverability is paramount. LG's are designed for wannabe's to drive to starbucks.
08-28-2006 10:00 PM
mrbigjeep ???
08-28-2006 09:17 PM
save_alkaline yeah, i pulled a hard u turn to squeeze into a parking spot the other day. my friend was with me and as i jumed out, he was like, "i can't believe you just made that turn". i've been very impressed with the turning radius.
08-28-2006 09:08 PM
hmenker
I Wonder...

You may have something there though I can't find anything in the Bible to be sure. However, we can get closer to God because we can get to some pretty high places no other vehicle can even begin to get to. There's a bad joke going around that Jesus' disciples all rode around in a Honda because "they were all in one accord" but I figure God to be an offroad kinda Guy or He wouldn't have made it for us Jeep junkies. I can't even begin to think of God in a Honda but I can sure see Him with the top down, side off, and the doors missing suckin' in the fresh air.
08-28-2006 09:02 PM
Dare2BSquare But at least having had a jeep should count for extra points!
08-28-2006 08:52 PM
hmenker
WOW! That's a Lot of Water Over the Dam!

After all the stuff written on this thread, I think we've all forgotten that life is too serious to take it seriously. And, don't base your self-esteem on your vehicle - you'll outlive the vehicle and it will never matter in the big scheme of things when it's all said and done. When you get to heaven, God's not gonna ask if you had SWB or LWB!
08-27-2006 12:40 AM
amerijeep
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigjeep
if you rock crawl then a stretched wheelbase definitely helps with the stability...the longer it is the more it has to go up to roll for example therefore it is more stable

Thanks for the tip.
08-26-2006 07:35 PM
mrbigjeep if you rock crawl then a stretched wheelbase definitely helps with the stability...the longer it is the more it has to go up to roll for example therefore it is more stable
08-26-2006 02:08 PM
1BLKJP
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Originally Posted by Wr@ngler00
i would never consider stretching my wheel base. Whats the point and everyone of those jeeps in the pictures looks stupid!!!
Bro you got to be F'ing kidding me right? Please say that you were drinking on your keyboard and woke up to say, did I really say something that stupid?

Stretching the wheelbase on your jeep is probably one of the best mods you can do when you've built your jeep to a point that the obstacles you climb are taller longer and harder.

Here's a couple pics of members on this board. They are YJ's, but you get the point.
08-26-2006 11:00 AM
jeeperman
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wr@ngler00
i would never consider stretching my wheel base. Whats the point and everyone of those jeeps in the pictures looks stupid!!!
The point of stretching your wheelbase is to add stability on the rocks. It is also a HUGE advantage on climbs because your front end will get to flat ground to pull while the rear is climbing. Take a look at a competition rig sometime (especially the winning ones) and see what the wheelbase is. You won't find one as short as a stock Wrangler unless you are looking at the stock class (where they restrict the wheelbase to only 3" longer than stock).
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