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02-23-2012 09:40 AM
rvanbure73
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Originally Posted by B.B. View Post
I give up !!! You are on your own Drock....good luck! Hey rvanbure, do those KM2's from Sears ride as well as those Swampers ?? j/k

Not at all B.B. - I almost couldnt read the message from the residual vibration in my eye sockets from my last drive LOL, they were a cheap step up from the seperated tread, spacered & bent 8" wheel with no tread 35's that were on it when I got it. Price is everything on the up build process. I will run the 35 MTR when its ready for the daily drive. For now its trail rig mostly.
02-22-2012 11:36 AM
Drock1979 Thanks for all the input guys!
02-21-2012 06:44 PM
shogun65 KM2's
02-21-2012 01:21 AM
TLATEOTW If you mostly do one of the below:

sharp rocks: MT/R with kevlar
Mud: KM2
Snow: Duratrac

That's just talking about about offroad performace
02-21-2012 01:09 AM
Drock1979 Just want to see if I can post a pic.


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02-16-2012 11:26 PM
Drock1979 I am generally going through some riverbeds and up the trails at Shoe Creek If you know it. Dont think its "sharp" rocks but lots of em. I have ridden the area with BFG AT and Maxis Mudders with no cuts so I think the Duratracs or BFG KM2 should be ok. I hope to Hit Oakridge this year too.
02-16-2012 08:08 PM
Jerry Bransford Strength-wise, when compared to the BFG MT KM2, the MT/R is a much stronger and MUCH more cut-resistant tire due to its kevlar reinforced sidewall. Among experienced offroaders that rock crawl in sharp rocks, the two most common radial tires you'll find (in sharp rocky trails) will be the BFG Krawler and Goodyear MT/R. I stopped running BFG Mud Terrains in sharp rocks because their sidewalls were getting cut every single trip. After switching to the first-generation non-kevlar GY MT/Rs, I experienced one cut sidewall in two sets of MT/Rs, and no cut sidewalls at all since switching to my present Kevlar reinforced MT/Rs.
02-16-2012 06:58 PM
KrzyMoke
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Originally Posted by Drock1979 View Post
yea, why are the Pro BFG guys rocking other tires?!?!
I have not had my jeep that long, plus I am in the military and don't make much money AND Congress wants to cut even more of my benefits. Lucky Me
Sorry for soap box but anyway. I ACTUALLY have MTR's on my Bronco and will prob get the KM2's or MTR's at this point unless someone comes out with a better tire. I will be buying rims and tires this summer so I can rock my Gas Sippers during the week and put my Many tires for the weekend
02-16-2012 06:51 PM
KrzyMoke
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Originally Posted by Drock1979 View Post
poping 2 in a trip would really SUCK!!! was he using duratracs?
Naw some off brand tire. It had a good tread but the sides were really weak as we found out that day. I was using the older MTR's and he switched over. In fact, I still have those same tires on my Bronco Just rotate the bejeezers outta your off road tires and they last a LONG time.
02-16-2012 06:08 PM
Drock1979
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Originally Posted by blue6tj View Post
Yah, I have never had the DC and when I lifted the Jeep I wanted the BFG A/T TA's but the was a 16 week back order from the factory and NO ONE had them in stock, I heard a lot of good stuff about the DC so, hopefully they will be a good tire, but my next set will be the BFG again.... Good luck with the GY's... and Happy Jeepn'
Again thanks, Hopefully they live up to their rep and I will be sure to write up a review after I get whatever tire. And same to you Bro, always Happy Jeepin!
02-16-2012 05:14 PM
blue6tj Yah, I have never had the DC and when I lifted the Jeep I wanted the BFG A/T TA's but the was a 16 week back order from the factory and NO ONE had them in stock, I heard a lot of good stuff about the DC so, hopefully they will be a good tire, but my next set will be the BFG again.... Good luck with the GY's... and Happy Jeepn'
02-16-2012 03:27 PM
Drock1979 yea, why are the Pro BFG guys rocking other tires?!?!
02-16-2012 02:36 PM
B.B. I give up !!! You are on your own Drock....good luck! Hey rvanbure, do those KM2's from Sears ride as well as those Swampers ?? j/k

02-16-2012 02:15 PM
rvanbure73
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Originally Posted by Drock1979 View Post
Going with a 33/1250 on an o6 TJ Rubicon.
Want either a BFG KM2 or Goodyear Duratrac?
Votes please and Pics would be great!
KM2 is better HEAVY traction & overall mileage highway tire with less tread block movement for better handling & because of the heavier larger lug pattern putting more % of rubber on the road IE: heavier tire, more rubber, more $. However tread wear ratings show very similar on web sites to DT. If you spent more time in ALL TERRAINS Rain, Snow, Ice and Sand it would be the DT. But lots of highway & good off roading time to time KM seems to be more likely choice. Worked in sears tire center for long period of time & yes they do come in E load range in specific sizes as should the KM2. Call em up if you have a local Sears, THEY WILL MEET OR BEAT ANY TIRE deal.....yes including online which they include shipping costs in their totals but could save you few more bucks & have local place for warranty rotate re-balance etc. They also have "friends & Family" nights which you get 10% off usually once a month on sundays. Order them then! They will not match price & give 10%, sorry - They will also be able to tell you load range options for size your looking for. C YA
02-16-2012 01:45 PM
B.B. All this hype about bfg blue6tj and negative comments about gy, you're running dicks on those dc wheels.....please
02-16-2012 12:33 PM
Drock1979 Yea, B.B.'s pics helped solidify my decision of the DT. I,ve got the same ride (but black) and they look good on there! So unless someone can prove I am making a bad mistake by the time I finish saving for these (two weeks) I am pullin the trigger!
02-16-2012 12:23 PM
dirt dawber I vote for Goodyear
02-16-2012 11:54 AM
Drock1979
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Originally Posted by B.B. View Post
I guess you have your answer Drock !! blue6tj is a big bfg fan so that should justify your decision....oh, and he added the fact that gy sucks....now that would certainly make my mind up !!! LOL

Now for a more technical and practical approach, the un-sprung weight of the km2 is 58 lbs. Both the KM2 and the DT are load rated C tires in the 33 12.50 15 size, so I would consider them both to have the 6 ply "equivalent" strength in the sidewall. Both have a 2205 lb max load rating and 35psi max inflation pressure. The un-sprung weight of the DT is 49 lbs. of which one could easily argue the km2 is better, however this is a case where less is better for performance, maybe not longevity. Un-sprung weight is much more critical in everyday operation of the vehicle than suspended weight for a multitude of reasons, the biggest being inertia. The total un-sprung weight is 36 lbs. less with the DT's plus 9 lbs. of suspended weight less for the spare!!

Now comes my opinion!! LOL.....
The km2's that I have experienced on friends vehicles are great when new, but after 6k or 8k miles, they tend to get louder, as all of the terrain-design tires do, not just the km2's. The km2 will likely give more overall miles of service if you can stand the roar. It is truly a "terrain" tire, whereas the DT is more of an aggressive all-terrain tire.

I currently have the DT's and love the less inertia in starting and stopping, as I tend to do that daily. I only get to wheel once or twice a month; It's that ratio thing you mentioned 85:15... I absolutely am sold on the DT's until something comes up down the road to change my mind....They ride smooth, took very little weight to balance out, and are quiet as my E350 on the highway. Perform great in mud, rain, snow ( hit a little in Maggie Valley) and I cannot comment on rocks yet. Ask me after Easter as I will be in Moab......

It is obvious both units are very good choices, and neither really "suck" as indicated above.

I hope this helps your decision, and be happy with whatever you choose....Good Luck.......




Love it! Thank you for taking the time to put so much info in your response. I have always loved BFG and never really had any experience with Goodyear but think the positive reviews everywhere and the supposed great traction in all conditions plus the $40 or so less per tire and the less weight have started to make me lean towards the DT. Again thanks.
BlueTJ still like the post! And love the jeep, it looks great. I did notice however you are running Dicks on your wheels
02-16-2012 09:16 AM
B.B.
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Originally Posted by blue6tj View Post
I'm a BFG fan so go with the KM2's, Good Year SUCKS!

I guess you have your answer Drock !! blue6tj is a big bfg fan so that should justify your decision....oh, and he added the fact that gy sucks....now that would certainly make my mind up !!! LOL

Now for a more technical and practical approach, the un-sprung weight of the km2 is 58 lbs. Both the KM2 and the DT are load rated C tires in the 33 12.50 15 size, so I would consider them both to have the 6 ply "equivalent" strength in the sidewall. Both have a 2205 lb max load rating and 35psi max inflation pressure. The un-sprung weight of the DT is 49 lbs. of which one could easily argue the km2 is better, however this is a case where less is better for performance, maybe not longevity. Un-sprung weight is much more critical in everyday operation of the vehicle than suspended weight for a multitude of reasons, the biggest being inertia. The total un-sprung weight is 36 lbs. less with the DT's plus 9 lbs. of suspended weight less for the spare!!

Now comes my opinion!! LOL.....
The km2's that I have experienced on friends vehicles are great when new, but after 6k or 8k miles, they tend to get louder, as all of the terrain-design tires do, not just the km2's. The km2 will likely give more overall miles of service if you can stand the roar. It is truly a "terrain" tire, whereas the DT is more of an aggressive all-terrain tire.

I currently have the DT's and love the less inertia in starting and stopping, as I tend to do that daily. I only get to wheel once or twice a month; It's that ratio thing you mentioned 85:15... I absolutely am sold on the DT's until something comes up down the road to change my mind....They ride smooth, took very little weight to balance out, and are quiet as my E350 on the highway. Perform great in mud, rain, snow ( hit a little in Maggie Valley) and I cannot comment on rocks yet. Ask me after Easter as I will be in Moab......

It is obvious both units are very good choices, and neither really "suck" as indicated above.

I hope this helps your decision, and be happy with whatever you choose....Good Luck.......




02-15-2012 10:49 PM
Drock1979
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Originally Posted by blue6tj View Post
See pic for Good Year Tires...
now thats funny!
02-15-2012 09:51 PM
blue6tj See pic for Good Year Tires...
02-15-2012 09:46 PM
blue6tj I'm a BFG fan so go with the KM2's, Good Year SUCKS!
02-15-2012 09:42 PM
Drock1979
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Originally Posted by B.B. View Post
Based on that ratio, I would definitely go with Duratracs and rolls the dices and takes my chances on the 15% of "moderate" trail riding......I just came off of a set of MT/R's Kevlars that only have 4k on them...I hated the ride and the noise.... The MT/R's are FS in the classifieds by the way............Good Luck in your choice !
Thanks, what are you riding on now? Duratracs? If so how is the noise, ride?
02-15-2012 09:35 PM
B.B.
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Originally Posted by Drock1979 View Post
Probably 85% road riding (not by choice) and 15% moderate trail riding. I like to push my ride so if rocks, mud, water, etc. are on said trail Im gonna try it within reason as it is my DD.

Based on that ratio, I would definitely go with Duratracs and rolls the dices and takes my chances on the 15% of "moderate" trail riding......I just came off of a set of MT/R's Kevlars that only have 4k on them...I hated the ride and the noise.... The MT/R's are FS in the classifieds by the way............Good Luck in your choice !
02-15-2012 09:27 PM
Drock1979
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
The KM2 has an outstanding tread life, I'd expect no less than well over 50K miles on them. Not quite as good as the nearly incredible tread life of the BFG All Terrain KO but still among the best at tread life.
Yes the AT tread life rocks! I am partial to BFG due to my history with the AT. How about the life of a duratrac? anyone got over 50000 on them?
02-15-2012 07:37 PM
zdragon
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Originally Posted by scot68 View Post
I recently did allot of research between Goodrich KM2 and Goodyear MTR Kevlar, both good tires. For rocks I found allot of people liked the MTR Kevlar (you did mention possible rocks in your OP). One thing to consider, apparently the 33” KM2 is actually a slightly smaller diameter then a 33” MTR. Yes the manufacturer's minimum rim width is 8.5" however IMO an 8" rim is fine. Also with a 12.5" width tire on a 8" rim you get better rim beard area protection. These were delivered to me today..

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those are good looking tires...let us know how they balance on the wheels.
02-15-2012 07:15 PM
Jerry Bransford The KM2 has an outstanding tread life, I'd expect no less than well over 50K miles on them. Not quite as good as the nearly incredible tread life of the BFG All Terrain KO but still among the best at tread life.
02-15-2012 07:13 PM
Drock1979
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
It's definitely not the KM2's sidewall which is not all that thick. It's just that the KM2 is a good all around tire, the only terrain I would use one in is where there are sharp rocks on the trail. Its sidewall is fine for nearly anything but sharp rocks that can cut/puncture its sidewall. For sharp rocks, I'm a fan of tires like the GY MT/R and BFG Krawler which is more tire and more $$$ than it sounds like you need.
Thanks! do the km2 have good tread life?
02-15-2012 07:11 PM
Drock1979 poping 2 in a trip would really SUCK!!! was he using duratracs?
02-15-2012 07:01 PM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by Drock1979 View Post
Thanks Jerry, Could I ask why? is it the side wall thickness?
It's definitely not the KM2's sidewall which is not all that thick. It's just that the KM2 is a good all around tire, the only terrain I would use one in is where there are sharp rocks on the trail. Its sidewall is fine for nearly anything but sharp rocks that can cut/puncture its sidewall. For sharp rocks, I'm a fan of tires like the GY MT/R and BFG Krawler which is more tire and more $$$ than it sounds like you need.
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