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02-20-2012 09:43 PM
wanderlust Ya, I am a young guy... so what
02-20-2012 09:34 PM
Oldguy
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Originally Posted by wanderlust View Post
I scare the crap out of myself often, I have been wheeling for a long time. I have always built my own rigs and have had all sorts from a stock TJ sport to full blown trailered truggies. If I have anything to say to a noobie it is this, never out drive yourself. A stock jeep in the right hands can do things that amaze me. Flip side I have seen many big dollar trailer queens destroyed on "easy" stuff by poor driving. I will go to my last day with the belief that the best mod you can ever do is the driver mod. Best way to get that is wheel often and wheel safe and with good company. Wheel with people that make the impossible look easy and take notes. No matter who I wheel with I always learn something just by watching.
Out of the mouths of babes...
02-20-2012 08:49 PM
wanderlust I scare the crap out of myself often, I have been wheeling for a long time. I have always built my own rigs and have had all sorts from a stock TJ sport to full blown trailered truggies. If I have anything to say to a noobie it is this, never out drive yourself. A stock jeep in the right hands can do things that amaze me. Flip side I have seen many big dollar trailer queens destroyed on "easy" stuff by poor driving. I will go to my last day with the belief that the best mod you can ever do is the driver mod. Best way to get that is wheel often and wheel safe and with good company. Wheel with people that make the impossible look easy and take notes. No matter who I wheel with I always learn something just by watching.
02-20-2012 06:53 PM
Oldguy
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Originally Posted by MTtincup View Post
Lots and lots of $$$$$$
Yeah, and when they break, which they do, it's more lots and lots of $$$$$$ to fix 'em. If I ever win the lottery I will build a serious crawler, and buy a big truck and trailer to haul it around, and carry enough spares to build another rig and...
02-20-2012 10:45 AM
MTtincup Lots and lots of $$$$$$
02-20-2012 10:42 AM
Colo-TJ
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Originally Posted by MTtincup View Post
Yeah you are right Carnage!1
yep I think I may have... It scares me !! I guess as long as you built it for that your not afraid of busting it up. that kida wheeling would be to high a price tag for me...
Although it would be fun at least once.
02-20-2012 10:34 AM
MTtincup Yeah you are right Carnage!1
02-20-2012 08:35 AM
Justin04Lj I was just kidding also. Drugs and alcohol don't mix with wheeling. Yeah the military guys broke out the brews as soon as we got to the wall.
02-20-2012 08:19 AM
Oldguy
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Originally Posted by Justin04Lj View Post
As long as I'm legally stoned with you I'll go anywhere hahaha :-)
No, I will never do any trail unless I am stone cold sober. That is two things that should never be mixed. When that bunch out at China Wall started drinking I was about ready to pack it in.

The trails I'm thinking about don't require lift. But that doesn't mean they're all that easy. Lots of very narrow shelf roads and very tight switchbacks. They do require your full attention or you can get in trouble really quick. But they are lots of fun, that's why I will always keep doing them
02-20-2012 08:01 AM
Justin04Lj
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Originally Posted by Oldguy

Well, just so you don't think you'll have an easy time of it
As long as I'm legally stoned with you I'll go anywhere hahaha :-)
02-20-2012 12:02 AM
Oldguy
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Originally Posted by Justin04Lj View Post
Oldguy you lead I will follow.
Well, just so you don't think you'll have an easy time of it
02-20-2012 12:01 AM
Owen_TJ Pics look great, guys!!!

Hopefully i'll be able to tag along again soon...
02-20-2012 12:00 AM
Oldguy
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Originally Posted by mo1416 View Post
hehehe Then what was I thinking when I went with my all stock for a 1st time out ever to china wall?
I don't know, but you're still going on runs, so I guess it turned out OK
02-19-2012 11:50 PM
Oldguy
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Originally Posted by MTtincup View Post
Ed, I think you missed the point....the video I am referring to was on u-tube about chinaman's gulch not china wall. Chinaman's is only for special designed rock climbers not stock jeeps..........excuse my humor!
Oops! my bad It's so easy to get confused when you're stoned, legally, of course . But I was thinking more of when the whole business with China Wall when it started, I was not real happy about it...

No, that wasn't Chinaman's Gulch, that was Carnage Canyon BV, which is right next to it. Carnage Canyon should scare people, you have to either be crazy or Wanderlust to even consider such a thing

But I still mean what I say, no one should ever take a trail where they have no idea what they're getting into. Plus offroading should be learned on a gradient. There are skills you need to learn at every level of difficulty and you need to build on those for the next level. Of course this doesn't apply to me, because I have found trails that I doubt any one else knows about and a couple of them scare the shit out of me, and I really had no business whatsoever being where I was

Chinaman's Gulch really isn't any worse than China Wall, plus you can stop along the way and watch the hardcores trash their buggies down in Carnage. It's actually a lot of fun...
02-19-2012 11:30 PM
mo1416
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Originally Posted by MTtincup View Post
Ed, I think you missed the point....the video I am referring to was on u-tube about chinaman's gulch not china wall. Chinaman's is only for special designed rock climbers not stock jeeps..........excuse my humor!
hehehe Then what was I thinking when I went with my all stock for a 1st time out ever to china wall?
02-19-2012 11:10 PM
jdubp44 that looks like a really fun trail! awesome pics, i need to find trails like that here in utah, except it just snowed last night so i gotta wait a little longer
02-19-2012 10:44 PM
MTtincup Ed, I think you missed the point....the video I am referring to was on u-tube about chinaman's gulch not china wall. Chinaman's is only for special designed rock climbers not stock jeeps..........excuse my humor!
02-19-2012 10:44 PM
Justin04Lj Oldguy you lead I will follow.
02-19-2012 10:35 PM
Oldguy
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Originally Posted by MTtincup View Post
Reading some of the comments about .....do you think I can make it.....Chad I think you scared everyone by showing the chinaman gulch on the tube!
I have really mixed feelings about this comment. I get really nervous when an experienced offroader goes "oh, yeah, it's a piece of cake, sure you can do it in a stock jeep. It's kinda like riding motorcycles, first time you take a serious spill, or come really close to getting smeared by a zombie driver it's a watershed, either you get back on and keep going or you sell the damn thing.

A newbie goes in thinking "oh, this will be easy, I've driven on dirt roads before..." And then they get the shit scared out of them. Or worse, they get body damage and all of a sudden all the fun is gone. Which way are they going to go? I hate to see a potential offroader get scared off his first time out because he's on a trail that he is not psychology prepared to deal with.

So, in the case of a trail like China Wall, if a video like that scares someone, good, if they still go great. It's still going to scare them but at least the know what they're getting into. Personally I would never recommend China Wall for a first time out. But that's me.

I still remember the first time I did China Wall, I was pretty green, I was alone, and all I did was the out and back to 204. And it still scared me silly by the time I got to the first ridge. But then I always got back on my bike.

I know a bunch of trails in the area around Divide and Tarryall that are fun, build good offroad skills and will keep any driver on his toes. But they are a couple levels down from China Wall. I'll be posting runs for these trails later this spring, for the above reasons plus I really enjoy those trails and I would be doing them anyway. But those are the trails where I really learned to drive offroad and I think they did a pretty good job.

Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox now. I guess there's no right or wrong answer, just choices and consequences.

Cheers!
02-19-2012 09:38 PM
Justin04Lj I don't think you would have to be a member. I joined and all you need is to live in Colorado and drive a 4x4 lol. Finally getting my rear bushwhackers on tomorrow yay.
02-19-2012 08:59 PM
Colo-TJ
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Originally Posted by Justin04Lj View Post
Thanks for the pics looks like it was fun. still looking forward to ouray. frontrange 4x4 has a trip planned for china wall march 10th I will most likely be tagging along its nice and close. they are talking alot of jeeps and having a big bbq and a raffle and prizes.
I would be interested in that one.. do you need to be a member?
02-19-2012 08:55 PM
Justin04Lj Thanks for the pics looks like it was fun. still looking forward to ouray. frontrange 4x4 has a trip planned for china wall march 10th I will most likely be tagging along its nice and close. they are talking alot of jeeps and having a big bbq and a raffle and prizes.
02-19-2012 07:29 PM
MTtincup Reading some of the comments about .....do you think I can make it.....Chad I think you scared everyone by showing the chinaman gulch on the tube!
02-19-2012 07:25 PM
MTtincup Great pictures!
02-19-2012 06:34 PM
Oldguy
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Originally Posted by Colo-TJ View Post
Posted in the trail pics thread. Mike, PM me your E-mail and I'll send you some pics of your rig.
You guys missed out on a great outing.
Yes, wish I could have made it, looks like a fun trail, especially with the snow Glad you guys had a good time
02-19-2012 06:14 PM
Colo-TJ Posted in the trail pics thread. Mike, PM me your E-mail and I'll send you some pics of your rig.
You guys missed out on a great outing.
02-19-2012 05:55 PM
Colo-TJ Here you go

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02-19-2012 04:44 PM
Colo-TJ I'm working on it as we speak..
02-19-2012 03:37 PM
mo1416
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Originally Posted by Oldguy View Post
I hope you're planning on posting pictures of this little adventure
I'm a slacker I suppose and didn't bring a camera, but Colo-tj brought 2 so I used 1 of his so he'll have 2 cameras worth of pics to post.
02-19-2012 12:01 PM
Oldguy
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Originally Posted by Colo-TJ View Post
Leaving for the Hills!!!! if any one wants to go be there at 10 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I hope you're planning on posting pictures of this little adventure
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