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02-23-2012 09:39 AM
tomthbomb
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Originally Posted by TheDragon View Post
Read about others who had problems with the 430n and 730n. Not worth it when you spend $1,800 on a built in GPS option and that's ALL you got was the gps.
There is more but not much.
02-23-2012 03:33 AM
strider_mt2k Nothing stopping the Jeep from going off roading except the driver.
02-23-2012 12:37 AM
Gprater You are soo right. Silly me, I buy a JEEP to go off roading, Guess I just assumed. Oops, No more complaining..
02-22-2012 10:09 PM
TheDragon Yeah, that's why I saved myself $1,600 bucks and got a garmin 2555 lmt for $200. Read about others who had problems with the 430n and 730n. Not worth it when you spend $1,800 on a built in GPS option and that's ALL you got was the gps.
02-22-2012 09:39 PM
tomthbomb
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Originally Posted by SilverBolt View Post
Just a heads up to all, civillian GPS is accurate to +/- 50 meters. Uncle Sam controls the accuracy. They have a built in fudge factor to prevent undesirables for using the system as a form of weapons guidence. Disputing which is more accurate is really a moot point. Unless you have current U.S. military gear and clearance you won't be 100% spot on.
Former President William Jefferson Clinton eased up on that limitation. It is much more accurate now. Google it.
02-22-2012 09:20 PM
SilverBolt Just a heads up to all, civillian GPS is accurate to +/- 50 meters. Uncle Sam controls the accuracy. They have a built in fudge factor to prevent undesirables for using the system as a form of weapons guidence. Disputing which is more accurate is really a moot point. Unless you have current U.S. military gear and clearance you won't be 100% spot on.
02-22-2012 03:49 PM
tomthbomb
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Originally Posted by fan of fanboys View Post
Another part I just caught: your mifi connects but not droid 2. That, in theory, doesn't make sense. Network sees a convection, not device type. If one works, so should the other. Unless on extended network and PRL on D2 not up to date. That would make difference.
Droid will work data but not with the phone reliably. When I had AT&T not at all for either. Will not stream a movie but will handle email.

Could it be that the MiFi has a "GPS Kit"? You work @ VZW, I do not. Just know it pin points my location as accurately as the Droid.
02-21-2012 10:09 PM
fan of fanboys
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Originally Posted by tomthbomb
I am connected with my Verizon Wireless Hot Spot. No matter where I am when connected to it Google Earth can pin point me within 20 feet or so when using my iPad2 with wifi and no 3G.
Like I stated above, the Verizon Wireless Hot Spot runs on 3G.
I have a cabin in deep, deep, deep East Texas where my Droid 2 Global won't reliably connect but the Hot Spot will put the Google Earth bulls eye right on me.
It is not a function of the iPad but of the Hot Spot.
Another part I just caught: your mifi connects but not droid 2. That, in theory, doesn't make sense. Network sees a convection, not device type. If one works, so should the other. Unless on extended network and PRL on D2 not up to date. That would make difference.
02-21-2012 10:07 PM
fan of fanboys
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Originally Posted by tomthbomb
I am connected with my Verizon Wireless Hot Spot. No matter where I am when connected to it Google Earth can pin point me within 20 feet or so when using my iPad2 with wifi and no 3G.
Like I stated above, the Verizon Wireless Hot Spot runs on 3G.
I have a cabin in deep, deep, deep East Texas where my Droid 2 Global won't reliably connect but the Hot Spot will put the Google Earth bulls eye right on me.
It is not a function of the iPad but of the Hot Spot.
There is a factor I'm missing. Your iPad doesn't view wifi from hotspot diff than wifi from Starbucks beyond location info from IP address. Possible IP address more accurate than I understand, tho still not as accurate as can be. Example: the GPS Kit app I use within 2 feet accurate, if not closer. I work for VZW and do product testing, global tech integration, plus few other roles. I don't work directly with switch, cell sites, or network operations but I work intermittently with them. So I'm not 100% on these issues, but more familiar than most laymen.
02-21-2012 09:32 PM
tomthbomb I am connected with my Verizon Wireless Hot Spot. No matter where I am when connected to it Google Earth can pin point me within 20 feet or so when using my iPad2 with wifi and no 3G.
Like I stated above, the Verizon Wireless Hot Spot runs on 3G.
I have a cabin in deep, deep, deep East Texas where my Droid 2 Global won't reliably connect but the Hot Spot will put the Google Earth bulls eye right on me.
It is not a function of the iPad but of the Hot Spot.
02-21-2012 03:58 PM
fan of fanboys
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Originally Posted by tomthbomb
When I use the "find me" feature on Google Earth it puts the "cross hairs" right over me regardless of where I am. How does that work?
And Tom I'm not arguing. Just combining our knowledge.
02-21-2012 03:57 PM
fan of fanboys
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Originally Posted by tomthbomb
When I use the "find me" feature on Google Earth it puts the "cross hairs" right over me regardless of where I am. How does that work?
How are you connected at the time? Bc there would be other factors.

It's not that a semblance of location can't be found, it's the accuracy. So if I'm a developer I am less likely to publish an app for tracking on a wifi only iPad bc of the vast limitations.
02-21-2012 03:19 PM
tomthbomb
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Originally Posted by fan of fanboys View Post
You're looking at it wrong.

The mobile hotspot uses the cell towers but emits a wifi signal. So when the iPad, or any device, connects it only gets the wifi connection not cellular info.

The iPhone, or any other phone, uses a combination of the gps chip and cell towers to pinpoint the location.

If have an iPad wifi model it won't connect location because of the above information.

Edit* the iPad doesn't know the difference between a mobile hotspot or a hotspot at your house or Starbucks. Which is why it doesn't give an accurate location (general location, such as city or zip can be determined) and just one reason (no gps chip being another)
When I use the "find me" feature on Google Earth it puts the "cross hairs" right over me regardless of where I am. How does that work?
02-21-2012 12:48 PM
fan of fanboys
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Originally Posted by strider_mt2k
I've taken my tablet into the woods when offroading, utilizing my phone as a hot spot.

As long as there was signal I was good. The tablet's GPS capability works great for this.
It's a viable alternative.
Different scenario. The tablet you're referring to has built in gps chip. If no built in chip then having an Internet connection doesn't benefit you.
02-21-2012 12:35 PM
strider_mt2k I've taken my tablet into the woods when offroading, utilizing my phone as a hot spot.

As long as there was signal I was good. The tablet's GPS capability works great for this.
It's a viable alternative.
02-21-2012 11:51 AM
seanpholman
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Originally Posted by tomthbomb View Post
The hot spot is a 3G device as well.
My point was not that you were not using a 3G hotspot, but rather the equipment level of the iPad and its ability to accurately pinpoint your location. Wi-fi models are at a disadvantage in the backcountry because they don't have a GPS chip.

--Sean
02-21-2012 10:15 AM
fan of fanboys
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Originally Posted by tomthbomb

A mobile "hot spot" or "wireless hot spot"uses the same cell sites and signals that a phone does. The "wireless" part of the description is simply how it sends the signal to the computer or tablet. Most of the time my laptop/tablet is within five feet of the hot spot so accuracy is not a problem.

The hot spots are basically phones you can't talk on. They actually have a phone number, that's how the data gets from the cell towers to the device.

The hot spot is a 3G device as well.
You're looking at it wrong.

The mobile hotspot uses the cell towers but emits a wifi signal. So when the iPad, or any device, connects it only gets the wifi connection not cellular info.

The iPhone, or any other phone, uses a combination of the gps chip and cell towers to pinpoint the location.

If have an iPad wifi model it won't connect location because of the above information.

Edit* the iPad doesn't know the difference between a mobile hotspot or a hotspot at your house or Starbucks. Which is why it doesn't give an accurate location (general location, such as city or zip can be determined) and just one reason (no gps chip being another)
02-21-2012 09:40 AM
tomthbomb
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Originally Posted by fan of fanboys View Post
From my understanding of how they work there either won't be any or it won't be as accurate. It's not the Internet connection as much as the cell sites. They use triangulation and combo of cell site/satellite position to determine location.

I could be wrong
A mobile "hot spot" or "wireless hot spot"uses the same cell sites and signals that a phone does. The "wireless" part of the description is simply how it sends the signal to the computer or tablet. Most of the time my laptop/tablet is within five feet of the hot spot so accuracy is not a problem.

The hot spots are basically phones you can't talk on. They actually have a phone number, that's how the data gets from the cell towers to the device.

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The reason for this is that 3G iPads come with the iPhone's GPS chip, while Wi-Fi iPads don't (they rely on known WiFi spot locations).
The hot spot is a 3G device as well.
02-20-2012 11:40 PM
rics1997 Just use my Droid with a dash mount
02-20-2012 11:30 PM
seanpholman
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Originally Posted by fan of fanboys View Post
From my understanding of how they work there either won't be any or it won't be as accurate. It's not the Internet connection as much as the cell sites. They use triangulation and combo of cell site/satellite position to determine location.

I could be wrong
The reason for this is that 3G iPads come with the iPhone's GPS chip, while Wi-Fi iPads don't (they rely on known WiFi spot locations).

--Sean
02-20-2012 07:58 PM
tomthbomb
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Originally Posted by EAD Offroad
I'm actually always shocked at the number of trails that show up on mygig. It makes me laugh, we have some rock crawler type trails out here that are on it. I think of some poor Chrysler car owner putting in "shortest route" and ending up on Spring Creak or somthing
Wish my 730 had "shortest route". It does not. It has "avoid hiways and tollroads" or something equally useless. My old Garmin 550 does and I love it and I miss it.
02-20-2012 07:41 PM
EAD Offroad I'm actually always shocked at the number of trails that show up on mygig. It makes me laugh, we have some rock crawler type trails out here that are on it. I think of some poor Chrysler car owner putting in "shortest route" and ending up on Spring Creak or somthing
02-20-2012 06:35 PM
JIMBOX Yeah, my TomTom VIA ($105 bucks) has the internet download for the same map updates and Although I've gotit velcro in the jeep, I have a beanbag holder for any of the other cars--KEWL


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Originally Posted by GeckoJK View Post
Another good reason to skip built in nav. The stuff keeps changing. My hundred dollar TomTom came with lifetime updates for maps and traffic, plus I can move it to another vehicle. Built in nav might be good now but in 5 or 6 years it will be out of date and stuck in the dash. I just got the Sirius and connectivity group but that was as much tech as I felt comfortable with built in.
JIMBO
02-20-2012 06:32 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by GeckoJK
Another good reason to skip built in nav. The stuff keeps changing. My hundred dollar TomTom came with lifetime updates for maps and traffic, plus I can move it to another vehicle. Built in nav might be good now but in 5 or 6 years it will be out of date and stuck in the dash. I just got the Sirius and connectivity group but that was as much tech as I felt comfortable with built in.


"out of date and stuck in the dash" that's funny right there.
02-20-2012 06:29 PM
GeckoJK Another good reason to skip built in nav. The stuff keeps changing. My hundred dollar TomTom came with lifetime updates for maps and traffic, plus I can move it to another vehicle. Built in nav might be good now but in 5 or 6 years it will be out of date and stuck in the dash. I just got the Sirius and connectivity group but that was as much tech as I felt comfortable with built in.
02-20-2012 03:34 PM
fan of fanboys
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Originally Posted by tomthbomb

Love my wireless air card. I have coverage 99% of everywhere I go. Unless I am gong to be gone for more than 1 or 2 days I don't take the laptop, just the iPad2. Would still like to find a GPS app for wireless iPads.
From my understanding of how they work there either won't be any or it won't be as accurate. It's not the Internet connection as much as the cell sites. They use triangulation and combo of cell site/satellite position to determine location.

I could be wrong
02-20-2012 03:15 PM
tomthbomb
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Originally Posted by JIMBOX View Post
Can't do much, I've got AT&T WiFi at home and AT&T mobile-using the "Sierra Wireless Lightning 305 AT&T GSM USB Aircard and thats for my laptop in the field !

JIMBO
Love my wireless air card. I have coverage 99% of everywhere I go. Unless I am gong to be gone for more than 1 or 2 days I don't take the laptop, just the iPad2. Would still like to find a GPS app for wireless iPads.
02-20-2012 02:22 PM
JIMBOX Can't do much, I've got AT&T WiFi at home and AT&T mobile-using the "Sierra Wireless Lightning 305 AT&T GSM USB Aircard and thats for my laptop in the field !

JIMBO
02-20-2012 02:14 PM
tomthbomb
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Originally Posted by seanpholman View Post
Just be happy you don't have the 430N!


I have a bunch of mapping stuff on my iPad for the trail, but I still carry my paper maps. HEMA maps has a great Atlas available for the iPad, but it's no DeLorme. My goal this year is to review all the mapping options for the iPad and see which ones work best for the wheeler.

--Sean
I have tried to download some GPS app's for my iPad but the app store won't let me because I don't have a data plan. I do have a mobile hot spot that works just as well and cost less (about $60 for 5G).

It lives plugged in to the 12v port in the back of the Jeep.

If anybody knows of an iPad GPS app that works with WiFi I could use some help.



BTW, the 730 disc drive will not display my cd rom topo maps.
02-20-2012 12:51 PM
seanpholman
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Originally Posted by fan of fanboys View Post
It's more tracking than maps but may work for you. I use on my iPhone but I imagine it's on iPad as well. It is called GPS Kit. I paid $10 but it's been invaluable for me. I don't do off road trails but I use a ton for hunting (I hunt in diff states on large pieces of land) and for fishing, especially on lakes.

Look into it. Maybe what you need.
I use that also, nice little program.

--Sean
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