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01-29-2013 03:57 PM
stuntdriver Well I contacted Kicker a while back with my above situation and it took a week for a reply but they came through for me. They confirmed the configuration was the same but that I would need a new mounting bracket for the amp. And through an awesome chain of emails they have agreed to sell me just the bracket and any other little bits I may need.

I Just got off the phone with them and my order is in and needless to say I am happy how it all worked out. I may suggest to them that since the kit is indeed essentially the same that there may just be a market in selling the bracket for those who have the system in their 07-10 Jeep's looking to upgrade to something newer.
01-25-2013 09:33 PM
stuntdriver Got a 2013 JKU with the base stereo and I bought a set of 77KICK10 speakers and just came across a great deal on the 77KICK33 amp kit. I know that is for 07-10 and the 77KCK053 is for 11+ but I would like to put this into our 2013 and I have read that both kits contain the same amp, only difference is mounting hardware.

Does anyone have the new install instructions or a list of the parts in the 77KCK053 kit so I can compare it to the other? I'd like to see if I can get the parts I need or modify what I have to make it work.
10-26-2012 07:16 PM
aaron97
Quote:
Originally Posted by panthermark View Post
Bump...because this is a very good thread that should not be lost.

I'm trying to pick a sub that will work with the stock enclosure and stock Alpine/Infinity amp (2013).

I have several on the list:
Pioneer TS-SW841D 4ohm SVC shallow mount
JL AW3v3-4 4 ohm SVC
JL AW1v2-4 4 ohm SVC
Alpine SWR-823D Type R 4 ohm DVC
Kicker 10CVR82 4 ohm DVC

Like I said, I would prefer to keep the stock amp and use the stock enclosure...so I'm hoping one of these will be a nice "drop in" sub. One question I do have....for those that have kept the stock amp but are using a new sub....how are you wiring your subs to get back to a 2 ohm load?

I don't know (or think) that the stock amp is bridgeable...but I'm not sure. Can you run a 4ohm SVC sub off the right + and left - from the stock amp? Will that work?

Thanks!
Sorry, i was out of town for a while.

As for your question about wiring. If i remember correctly, the factory amp/sub has 4 wires (2-Channels @ 2ohm each). So its already set up as a 2 ohm DVC and wired from the stock amp as VC-1 and VC-2. So I'm thinking all you have to do is connect the VC1 and VC2 plugs to the respective VC's on a 2 ohm DVC sub.

Also, the "Kicker 10CVR82 4 ohm DVC" you have up here is actually 2 ohm. The 2 at the end designates its as a 2 ohm. It would be 10CRV84 is the 4 ohm version. I run a 10CVR82 but i power it with a Rockford Fosgate PBR300x1. And i have since eliminated all of the factory audio.

I'll PM you a couple good sources for info, if you haven't already found them.
10-20-2012 11:59 AM
panthermark Bump...because this is a very good thread that should not be lost.

I'm trying to pick a sub that will work with the stock enclosure and stock Alpine/Infinity amp (2013).

I have several on the list:
Pioneer TS-SW841D 4ohm SVC shallow mount
JL AW3v3-4 4 ohm SVC
JL AW1v2-4 4 ohm SVC
Alpine SWR-823D Type R 4 ohm DVC
Kicker 10CVR82 4 ohm DVC

Like I said, I would prefer to keep the stock amp and use the stock enclosure...so I'm hoping one of these will be a nice "drop in" sub. One question I do have....for those that have kept the stock amp but are using a new sub....how are you wiring your subs to get back to a 2 ohm load?

I don't know (or think) that the stock amp is bridgeable...but I'm not sure. Can you run a 4ohm SVC sub off the right + and left - from the stock amp? Will that work?

Thanks!
06-23-2012 05:35 PM
OL Sarge 77KCK056 is the am part number for the infinity system
06-14-2012 02:36 PM
jaybretzke Where did you order the kicker kit from??

I have search everywhere for the 77KPK310 kit with no luck...

Thanks
04-27-2012 06:29 PM
sircody
Kicker is a small company

Kicker is a small company with less then 225 or so employees and mostly sold to Circuit city and auto makers while Infinity is part of a huge awesome quality products that are owned By Harmon Kardon which also has JBL etc etc....and the Mygig higher end are also made by Harmon....
03-25-2012 04:19 PM
seanpholman Yep, used the Kicker enclosure and 200W Kicker amp. It doesn't take up as much room as I thought it would and when it is latched to the seat it is very secure (read: doesn't flop around over bumps or off road). Overall I am happy with the performance it really hits hard if you want it too, but provides nice, clean bass the rest of the time. Again, I am no audiophile, but the improvement is noticeable and the music is still clear at high volume.

I also removed the factory sub and replaced it with the non-sub trim panel, opening up a little extra cargo room. Plus the Kicker sub is easily removed when you need more cargo space or security is an issue.



--Sean
03-24-2012 06:53 AM
fishmd
Quote:
Originally Posted by aaron97
Been on vacation for a couple weeks.

That makes complete sense now. I wish we could have known before i wired in my Rockford Fosgate amp, i could have tried using Ch 7 as a pre-amp to it rather than splicing off the front speakers.

Did you end up using the Kicker self-amplified sub and enclosure or put a Kicker in the stock Infinity enclosure? Just curious.
I am pretty sure he used the aftermarket sub/enclosure.
03-24-2012 12:11 AM
aaron97 Been on vacation for a couple weeks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bertric View Post
Below is a direct e mail reply from Kicker in regards to the lack of bass from the Kicker amp to the infinity sub.
That makes complete sense now. I wish we could have known before i wired in my Rockford Fosgate amp, i could have tried using Ch 7 as a pre-amp to it rather than splicing off the front speakers.

Quote:
Originally Posted by seanpholman View Post
Finally got the entire Stage III installed, wow does that Kicker sub have some thump. Overall, a nice improvement.
--Sean
Did you end up using the Kicker self-amplified sub and enclosure or put a Kicker in the stock Infinity enclosure? Just curious.
03-23-2012 01:21 AM
seanpholman Finally got the entire Stage III installed, wow does that Kicker sub have some thump. Overall, a nice improvement.

--Sean
03-16-2012 10:53 PM
seanpholman Okay, got my new non-subwoofer trim piece to replace the stock sub. So I am going to try and install the Kicker sub this weekend. When I get it done, I will post pics.

--Sean
03-12-2012 10:25 PM
seanpholman This is great information. Even my Kicker contact wasn't able to relay all of this in detail. Thanks for the post.

--Sean
03-08-2012 04:51 PM
bertric
77kck056 explanation direct from Kicker

Below is a direct e mail reply from Kicker in regards to the lack of bass from the Kicker amp to the infinity sub (or any other dual voice coil subwoofer). Basically chanel 7 of the Kicker now becomes a pre out for their amplified subwoofer package (mopar stage III) and chanel 8 is an e qd chanel not designed for low frequency output. This is why everybody that has bought this amplifier complains a lack of bass from the subwoofer. To fix this, you either have to buy another amplifier and hook it to the preamp chanel, then to your subwoofer or buy the Mopar / Kicker Stage III subwoofer.

I also spoke with them about possibly making a wiring harness from their amp (8 chanels) at line level output so that we could wire in two 4 chanel amplifiers and then route back to the harness going to the speakers. Keep in mind that these factory head units are flat curve eqd, basically whether you run the infinity or the kicker, bass, midrange and treble are modified within the amp and not the head unit





I am an electronic engineer for kicker, as well as a fellow 97 TJ Wrangler owner . My apologies for any difficulties in which you have encountered in trying to get your question resolved. At this time I am reviewing the system setup for the 2012 Wrangler with the infinity system. In short, our upgraded amplifier is meant to be installed with the kicker sub with the 200W amplifier as well as full range speakers, that is how the DSP in the amplifier is tuned. I know this does not help you because it sounds as if you are wanting to run your factory sub. You are correct in that only one side of your factory sub is being driven.

Please note that Channels 7 and 8 of the Infinity system are intended to be used to drive the factory sub. On the kicker system, Ch7 is intended to drive a 200W sub amplifier and Ch 8 is used to create a phantom center channel. Also our gain structure is not set up for maximum performance of the Infinity sub.
Once again I apologize on the delay in which this matter was taken care of, please feel free to contact me directly in how you would like to proceed.

Best Regards,



From:
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:24 PM
To: Subject: FW: 77KCK056



What ya think?

From:
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:33 AM
To: Subject: FW: 77KCK056



Do you know why only one side of the sub output works and the other donít?



From:
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 6:24 PM
To: Support
Subject: 77KCK056



To whom it may concern.



I purchased the above kicker amp from mopar and was told by your customer support that this would work in the 2012 jeep wrangler with the infinity system. Everything seems to work except one chanel for the subwoofer has no power. Basically subwoofer is a dual voice coil, but only one coil is being powered. The stock infinity amp powers both coils of the subwoofer. I also had a 77kck046 amp that I tried and it does the same thing, no power to one of the coils of the subwoofer. The nav radio in the jeep is a 730n with code RHR on the faceplate.
03-02-2012 11:25 AM
seanpholman I don't know if it is full but it is louder and better-sounding than the Infinity amp.

--Sean
03-02-2012 12:56 AM
aaron97
Quote:
Originally Posted by seanpholman View Post
The factory amp is actually fairly good, puts out lots of bass to the sub and front stage, but cuts power to the sound bar. I actually thought I liked it better at first blush, until I got deeper in the music. Swapping back to the Kicker amp, the songs were much less bassy, but a lot clearer and brighter. And while the sound bar is opened up quite a bit, the factory subwoofer has way less output. My thinking is that Kicker is relying on the whole Stage 3 package together and by doing such, is pulling base from the speakers in anticipation that a proper 10-inch sub with the 200W amp being added will handle those duties. Possibly this frees up the speakers to reproduce mids and highs more accurately. This is just a guess from a guy who loves music, but is admittedly not an audiophile.
I did the same thing a while ago with the 77KICK46 amp. The stock Infinity amp had a lot of bass but the Kicker had a much cleaner sound but no bass. That's why I ended up swapping to an aftermarket Kicker 8" and adding the Rockford Fosgate 300x1 amp.

Now, i am curious though, with your new Kicker Amp, if you use the audio controls on your radio to turn all the sound full to rear, does it play full sound out of the sound bar or does it sound like crap?
03-01-2012 09:26 PM
seanpholman A couple more thoughts. Because of the location of the amp connections, it is really easy to swap back and forth to get an idea of the differences back-to-back. I listened to some Reel Big Fish Sell Out (ska, lots of highs and lows together), Pearl Jam Elderly Woman Behind The Counter... (good rock), and Some Dr. Dre and Snoop Dog Ain't Nuthin' But A G Thang Baby (Gangsta' Rap for vibrations and subwoofer action) to get a feel for the differences. Here are my observations:

The factory amp is actually fairly good, puts out lots of bass to the sub and front stage, but cuts power to the sound bar. I actually thought I liked it better at first blush, until I got deeper in the music. Swapping back to the Kicker amp, the songs were much less bassy, but a lot clearer and brighter. And while the sound bar is opened up quite a bit, the factory subwoofer has way less output. My thinking is that Kicker is relying on the whole Stage 3 package together and by doing such, is pulling base from the speakers in anticipation that a proper 10-inch sub with the 200W amp being added will handle those duties. Possibly this frees up the speakers to reproduce mids and highs more accurately. This is just a guess from a guy who loves music, but is admittedly not an audiophile.

I am anticipating some serious bass with the 10-inch Kicker sub installed. Probably next week.

--Sean
03-01-2012 05:59 PM
fishmd
Quote:
Originally Posted by seanpholman
Got the speakers in amp in today and it sounds nice. You can tell that there isn't any more power. It certainly doesn't *THUMP*, but it sounds crisper and brighter and the sound bar is definitely improved. I don't know that I would call it opened up 100-percent, but I can now hear the music with my seat reclined or in the back seat. There is definitely power to the factory subwoofer, but it is still very anemic. Bass kind dribbles out of it without any hard hits.

I still have the Kicker sub to do, but that will have to wait for now.

--Sean
Thanks for the update. Sounds like it may be a good thing I did not go with the kicker amp upgrade. Of course I will have to see how it all goes once I get to install everything. Amazon sent me the wrong wiring kit so I gotta send it back and wait for the right one to come now. Argh!
03-01-2012 05:14 PM
seanpholman Got the speakers in amp in today and it sounds nice. You can tell that there isn't any more power. It certainly doesn't *THUMP*, but it sounds crisper and brighter and the sound bar is definitely improved. I don't know that I would call it opened up 100-percent, but I can now hear the music with my seat reclined or in the back seat. There is definitely power to the factory subwoofer, but it is still very anemic. Bass kind dribbles out of it without any hard hits.

I still have the Kicker sub to do, but that will have to wait for now.

--Sean
03-01-2012 07:19 AM
fishmd
Quote:
Originally Posted by seanpholman View Post
Rear speakers are in, I am doing fronts and amp tomorrow.

--Sean
Looking forward to hearing more about this install. I replaced my sound bar with the Kicker 77kick10 as well. Picked up an Alpine PDX-5 amp though to power the stuff rather than the Kicker amp. Will be using the AudioControl 6i to hopefully get full sound to the stuff.
03-01-2012 02:01 AM
seanpholman Rear speakers are in, I am doing fronts and amp tomorrow.

--Sean
02-29-2012 09:31 PM
aaron97
Quote:
Originally Posted by seanpholman View Post
Haven't had a chance to install it yet. Probably this week.

--Sean
Have you had a chance to hook it up yet and see if it opens up the soundbar?
02-18-2012 11:14 PM
seanpholman Haven't had a chance to install it yet. Probably this week.

--Sean
02-18-2012 05:50 AM
aaron97
Quote:
Originally Posted by seanpholman View Post
Got the parts today and confirmed the new part numbers for '11+ Wranglers.

--Sean
So does it unrestrict the sound bar?
02-18-2012 12:22 AM
seanpholman Got the parts today and confirmed the new part numbers for '11+ Wranglers.

--Sean
02-15-2012 07:39 PM
seanpholman
Quote:
Originally Posted by aaron97 View Post
I'd definitely like to know if that Kicker you found works right. Being a Kicker, it should still have the same increase in quality but actually have the subwoofer working as well. And if that's is the case, then we need to spread the word so that all the other 2011+ guys dont keep wasting money on the 77KICK46.
Yeah, that's the plan. I will be doing the install for a magazine article so word should get out quick. I am fine with the stock sub, I just want better speakers and a freed up sound bar.

--Sean
02-15-2012 06:22 AM
aaron97
Quote:
Originally Posted by seanpholman View Post
Nice little setup. My Kicker stuff should be here by the end of the week, so I am interested to hear how the stock sub works with the "correct" amp. Glad I don't live anywhere near you to hear your setup.

--Sean
I'd definitely like to know if that Kicker you found works right. Being a Kicker, it should still have the same increase in quality but actually have the subwoofer working as well. And if that's is the case, then we need to spread the word so that all the other 2011+ guys dont keep wasting money on the 77KICK46.
02-15-2012 12:23 AM
seanpholman Nice little setup. My Kicker stuff should be here by the end of the week, so I am interested to hear how the stock sub works with the "correct" amp. Glad I don't live anywhere near you to hear your setup.

--Sean
02-14-2012 03:22 AM
aaron97
Rockford Fosgate PBR300X1

Well, i finally got around to installing it all... and i must say, Awesome! This little amp and 8" really pack a punch. I only have the gain set about 50% and it hits pretty hard. Not over the top, but enough that people on the side of the road turn to look. Out of everything i have done, this by far was the best improvement. I did plug the Infinity amp in just so that i could compare and its no comparison at all. The Kicker's mids and highs are much cleaner and louder then the Infinity. But if you just wanted more bass and you currently like the Infinity, then upgrade the sub would be fine, just as long as you never here how much better it will sound with the Kicker.

I was going to make a bracket, but i took the simple route. I pulled the cover off and strategically placed holes in places that i could put a screw without it being close to any of the components inside the stock amp. I probably should have took a picture of the inside but i forgot. Also, initially i thought that i needed to place the amp on the passenger side of the stock amp, but after a test fix, turns out the brake light switch was in the way, so i had to move the RF amp to the drivers side of the stock amp.





As you can see here, when placed on the side of the stock amp, closest to the door, it clears the brake-light switch. If you look hard, you can see the small piece of high-temp tape that used to cover the open hole from my first mounting attempt. Since i had to take all of this back apart to relocate the new holes, i took this chance to swap out my stub-washer-nut setup for a screw, to make more room for the connectors.


02-13-2012 02:33 PM
aaron97 It was 51 degrees yesterday, so i decided to play with the amps. I took hooked the stock Infinity amp up and it actually sounded okay. There was more bass now with the Infinity amp and Kicker sub. With the Kicker Amp and sub, there is no bass. Then i temp installed the Rockford Fosgate amp, wired into the front outputs off the Kicker Amp and i was amazed. Its perfect. All the bass a normal person could want. I have the gain at about 50% on the amp and its still enough to shake the jeep. Now i just need to get some dynamat because that sub sounds like it destroy the enclosure. You can hear all of the plastic back there rattling on really bassy sounds.

SO today i am going to work on mounting the RF amp. Then i will get some pics.
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