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03-29-2012 12:03 AM
6InARowMakesItGo
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
If the axle came out of anything but a TJ, you'll have to cut, grind, and weld to get the right brackets on after removing all of the old brackets.

If it doesn't have coil spring buckets next to the brakes, it didn't come out of a TJ. Take a picture and post it here.
couldn't it also have been from a jk or grand cherokee and still have the coil springs? maybe i'm wrong.
03-29-2012 12:01 AM
6InARowMakesItGo
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Originally Posted by sleepo View Post
The junkyard has no clue what model wrangler the axle came out of. So what's the worse case senario if I purchase the axle would I need to swap out driveshafts? Or is there going to need to be modifications to the axle if it's out of something other than a TJ. If modification is needed I might as well pick up a ford 8.8 which I found for 50$ in MN instead of driving to Iowa to pick an axle up for $1000. Thanks for the help once again.
given the choice between those 2 id get the 8.8. you could pay someone to prep it for a tj and still be way ahead of that d44 in cost. assuming the 8.8 has the correct gears that is.
03-28-2012 06:58 PM
sleepo Sweet that's what I was looking for I'll call the junkyard tmrw and see what the deal is hopefully he can send me a pic and I can post it on here!
Thanks Jerry Much Appreciated!
03-28-2012 02:39 PM
Jerry Bransford If the axle came out of anything but a TJ, you'll have to cut, grind, and weld to get the right brackets on after removing all of the old brackets.

If it doesn't have coil spring buckets next to the brakes, it didn't come out of a TJ. Take a picture and post it here.
03-28-2012 02:31 PM
sleepo So back to the axle question if the axle is out of something other than a TJ will I have to be cutting brackets and modifying the axle? I'm trying to figure out what parts are needed? Thanks for the help. I know the axle is coming out of a wrangler just not sure what model wrangler.
03-26-2012 05:28 PM
InvertChaos
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Originally Posted by MickeYJ

Wait... My 92 YJ has a D35 with 4.10s so I can put bigger tires? Runnin 31s
You can put on any size tire you'd like, you just won't have much fun with anything larger than 31 and the 4cyl, 5 speed, and 4.10s.
03-26-2012 11:23 AM
MickeYJ
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Originally Posted by rda616
What's wrong with the one you have? Is it bent, or broken? If you can weld then get a ford 8.8 out of a 95-01 explorer. If not get a dana 44 out of another tj. If you want lower (numerically higher) gears look for a 8.8 with 4.10's. And a hp30 from a cherokee sport with a 4 cylinder 5 speed for the front. They came with 4.10's as well. Avoid the vacuum disconnect style.
Wait... My 92 YJ has a D35 with 4.10s so I can put bigger tires? Runnin 31s
03-26-2012 11:04 AM
sleepo The junkyard has no clue what model wrangler the axle came out of. So what's the worse case senario if I purchase the axle would I need to swap out driveshafts? Or is there going to need to be modifications to the axle if it's out of something other than a TJ. If modification is needed I might as well pick up a ford 8.8 which I found for 50$ in MN instead of driving to Iowa to pick an axle up for $1000. Thanks for the help once again.
03-25-2012 04:27 PM
sleepo Good question I'm going to call the junkyard on Monday to see what it came out of I haven't purchased the axle yet. I'll get back to the forum after I find out Monday morning.
03-25-2012 04:10 PM
6InARowMakesItGo
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Originally Posted by sleepo View Post
So I decided to go with a D44 with 3:73's that I found in the junk yard my question now is will the D44 bolt in directly and will my driveshaft that I currently have work. I have my dad helping me with the project until I get back to MN. I live in Bozeman MT so kind of hard to measure all these things out. Trying to make it easy on him. Thanks for all the expert knowledge greatly appreciated.
depends, did it come out of a TJ?
03-25-2012 03:40 PM
sleepo So I decided to go with a D44 with 3:73's that I found in the junk yard my question now is will the D44 bolt in directly and will my driveshaft that I currently have work. I have my dad helping me with the project until I get back to MN. I live in Bozeman MT so kind of hard to measure all these things out. Trying to make it easy on him. Thanks for all the expert knowledge greatly appreciated.
03-13-2012 07:56 PM
Kevbz
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Originally Posted by GreenJack

LOL - $1700... Now you're just making stuff up....

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For the budget minded consumer! Lol
03-13-2012 06:56 PM
GreenJack
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Pre built 8.8, most commonly from East Coast Gear Supply...bare bones built with used parts, ready to swap before shipping 1700.00. I am sure there are lesser known builders that do all the work for the customer but that's my base line and why I stated 1200.00
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LOL - $1700... Now you're just making stuff up....

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03-13-2012 05:55 PM
XJ Knight 2.5l XJ's, YJ's, and TJ's... Auto's were 3.73.. Manuals were 4.10's.. Perhaps there were manual tranny 2.5l jeeps with 3.73's but if so im not sure which years that applied to if that is true
03-13-2012 05:08 PM
InvertChaos
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Originally Posted by arcountryboy
I'm usually wrong, but I though all 2.5l wranglers had 4:10 gears?
Nope, some years had 3.73, but I forget which ones.
03-13-2012 03:19 PM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by tjrhd View Post
8.8 is a common rear swap. The Tj d-44's are a lot more expensive. There are tons of d-35's to be had if you really want one.
Used TJ Dana 44s are often available for less than what it typically costs to buy and have someone else prepare a Ford 8.8 to be installed into a TJ which involves quite a bit of work, welding, and expertise. I paid $800 for my used TJ Dana 44 and by the time you buy the 8.8 and then pay someone to get it ready to install into a TJ, odds are very good you will have paid at least that much. I say "someone else" because Jeepers have the expertise and welding skills to take that 8.8 conversion job on.

Personally, unless the Jeeper I'm talking to knows how to fabricate and weld, I recommend buying a used Dana 44... or just installing a used replacement Dana 35 which typically sells for $250-300 in good condition. I sold my Dana 35c with a Detroit Truetrac LSD for only $300.
03-13-2012 03:07 PM
arcountryboy I'm usually wrong, but I though all 2.5l wranglers had 4:10 gears?
03-13-2012 01:59 PM
sleepo Wow I got some options thanks for all the advice! Didn't mean for it to start a battle on the forum only 2 posts deep. I located a D44 with 3:73's for 900 on car-part.com. Craigslist in Montana hasn't had very many options for used axles. I'm trying to go for building the jeep right but doesn't have to be an extreme off road rig it's the girlfriends daily driver, but thought in the future I could turn it into something better. Once again thank-you and I look forward to becoming as passionate about jeep building as everyone else is on the post!
03-05-2012 05:57 PM
Kevbz
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Originally Posted by rda616 View Post
I apologize if I came across as a dick that wasn't my intention.
i apologize for not having my coffee this morning and jumping in stupid like that!
03-05-2012 05:39 PM
rda616 Not saying the way you broken it down was wrong for what you did and your experience. However the sye is again only needed with the added angle of a lift in conjunction with the offset rear and the pinion angle is corrected when welding on the brackets and should not require uppers if done properly.

I understand the d35 is cheap, but the op also asked about other axles as well and I offered him options for someone who is handy and can do the work, or has a friend who can help. I myself managed to do the swap for far less then your quote was all I was trying to get at.

I apologize if I came across as a dick that wasn't my intention.
03-05-2012 04:22 PM
Kevbz
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Originally Posted by rda616 View Post
he bought a wrecked jeep, so clearly he is willing to do some work
Read this quick thread...

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/clue...ar-143535.html

After the thread I just linked I don't know who is buying what for what reason. I always error on the side of lessor at first, if your a builder or knowledgeable you'll show it in your first 5 posts. Its like jeeps are the new Storage Wars, they total out fast and can be brought back to life so easily with all the parts available, people are picking up salvaged jeeps for as low as 500.00, if its still got the clockspring and decent seats its worth that.

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Originally Posted by rda616 View Post
And what is the different in using a used 8.8 vs a used d35.
D35 can swap with ZERO work done, and sometimes can be had for free... (mine is currently in a scrap yard, minus the 4.10 R & P, which went for 90.00)

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Originally Posted by rda616 View Post
And what does a sye and cv drive shaft , or adhustablea uppers have to do with anything. No lift was mentioned!
Based on my research you need at least adj uppers to correctly set your pinion when final install happens, adj lower and adj trackbar are also options to really get the FORD MOTOR CO axle under a JEEP. And because the pinion is offset by 2.75" from a stock dana, a CV driveshaft (double cardan joint) and SYE help keep the vibes at bay.

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Originally Posted by rda616 View Post
Granted he may need to have a shop weld it which should be about the cost of brackets. And he may need to shorten the drive shaft which will cost about $140.00 but again it's a much better axle.
370.00 right there, and you haven't factored in the axle cost itself yet. I don't disagree that it is a much better axle. The D35 gets a bad rap but it serves the unlifted and stock to mild tires well, so why build it up if you just want it running?

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Originally Posted by rda616 View Post
You also forgot the best resource for parts online craigslist. I just bought a hp30 for $50.00. Again my own experience with shopping around.
I am a CL addict myself, my morning consists of take a pee, make some coffee, search CL parts section...repeat 3-4 times a day. That's where I landed my TJ D44, about 400 mi. away, and almost had a 8.8 before that. and I am still looking for a hood, and tub, and tires, and...well you get it.

My only issue was how you went about stating your point, by telling me I didn't do my research. I try not to come on here and ramble BS, so I felt it necessary to back up my reasoning for my costs quoted.
03-05-2012 12:53 PM
rda616
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Originally Posted by Kevbz View Post
OR, maybe I have shopped around and that's what I know from my axle swapping experience. I'll explain myself since you felt it necessary to try and call me out...

I am assuming a few things, and we all know what ASS-U-ME means but I took a few things into consideration

1) he is a new member, two total posts, both in this thread..so he probably doesn't know the complete ins and outs of jeep building...mainly because he asked the question the way he did.

2) most new members are here for one answer, then never come back, so he is looking for experiences of others on this matter. Mine may differ from other peoples, but its my opinion none the less. Maybe a good way to go about it would be to offer your experiences to the OP and not try to tell me what I have or have not done.

AND...

Sure, if he can weld, or knows someone who can weld on an axle (for free), AND fabricate the mounts (for cheap and or free), and has a SYE and driveshaft on hand that will work (doubtful going the fact that he bought a 2.5L with factory d35), and gets all the hardware and ebrake swap, and from a junkyard and is confident it does not need to be look over, i.e no leaks, no need to open up the diff, then a 8.8 can be done for the price of a junkyard trip of about 150.00 and some work...most likely in that 350 range you said.

I am assuming he can not do all that free stuff or doesn't have those resources SO.....

Build your own 8.8 I said LESS THAN 1000 not knowing how much of the free stuff I mentioned he could have done at little or no cost. Add the SYE, driveshaft, labor of SYE install and you quickly pull away from your 350.00 mark

150.00 junkyard axle
?? labor to clean it up
225.00 before shipping for the cost of the bracket set
?? competent welders labor to put the brackets on (i.e understands pinion angles, bracket alignment, axle welding)
250.00 GOOD SYE kit
275.00 GOOD CV driveshaft
200.00 GOOD adjustable control arms
?? Axle install
---------------------
1100.00 without labor for anything

Pre built 8.8, most commonly from East Coast Gear Supply...bare bones built with used parts, ready to swap before shipping 1700.00. I am sure there are lesser known builders that do all the work for the customer but that's my base line and why I stated 1200.00

Used D44 from a TJ I got mine for 600.00, New Yukon R and P, trussed. I swapped it myself but spent 100.00 in gas to go get it (not necessarily everyone's cost but still a cost unless you get lucky and find one real close) new hardware (bolts) all around 30.00, rebuilt rear brakes at about 60.00 for piece of mind, R and P inspection resulted in a 20 dollar Lube locker and 10 bucks in gear fluid. MY cost about 800.00. I said about a 1000...only because I got a deal on the D44 and most cant be found for less than 1000.00

New aftermarket D44, like a G2 2083.00 with a locker before shipping and install.

So I am sorry if I offend you by being realistic on an axle swap....but its not fair to send a guy out with the thought that 350.00 and he can have it no prob. I offered the d35 swap option because the cost it low, it is ready to go in stock form, and if its a repairable (salvage) then he may have other more pressing tasks at hand than fabbing up a axle...but I think I did say if he was building it for fun then do it up the first time. All to often someone asks a simple question and before you know it they are told "while your doing that, you might as well do this..." and end up thinking they need a frame/axle/body swap...and thinking it costs nothing and the parts are out there on a shelf cheap.

I showed my sources for the info/prices I used...and it was only after a quick search, I am sure you can shop around for some deals to reduce any of these costs, but if you have little knowledge, and only an internet connection and Credit Card, these are the ones you will find.

Like I said, a forum works much better if you help the OP, not play armchair quarterback on other peoples posts. Using the phrase "in my opinion", or "my experiences have been..." goes along way to not pissing people off and making them justify themselves to you.

Just sayin...

I here you but he bought a wrecked jeep, so clearly he is willing to do some work. And what is the different in using a used 8.8 vs a used d35. And what does a sye and cv drive shaft , or adhustablea uppers have to do with anything. No lift was mentioned!

I have always bought my brackets from iron rock offroad they are $230.00 shipped and a child could understand the step by step instructions with measurements. A pinion angle finder is $12.00 at ace hardware. Granted he may need to have a shop weld it which should be about the cost of brackets. And he may need to shorten the drive shaft which will cost about $140.00 but again it's a much better axle.

You also forgot the best resource for parts online craigslist. I just bought a hp30 for $50.00. Again my own experience with shopping around.
03-05-2012 10:51 AM
Kevbz
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Originally Posted by rda616 View Post
I'm not sure where you got your prices, but I would say you haven't shopped around much if that's what you think they will cost you.
OR, maybe I have shopped around and that's what I know from my axle swapping experience. I'll explain myself since you felt it necessary to try and call me out...

I am assuming a few things, and we all know what ASS-U-ME means but I took a few things into consideration

1) he is a new member, two total posts, both in this thread..so he probably doesn't know the complete ins and outs of jeep building...mainly because he asked the question the way he did.

2) most new members are here for one answer, then never come back, so he is looking for experiences of others on this matter. Mine may differ from other peoples, but its my opinion none the less. Maybe a good way to go about it would be to offer your experiences to the OP and not try to tell me what I have or have not done.

AND...

Sure, if he can weld, or knows someone who can weld on an axle (for free), AND fabricate the mounts (for cheap and or free), and has a SYE and driveshaft on hand that will work (doubtful going the fact that he bought a 2.5L with factory d35), and gets all the hardware and ebrake swap, and from a junkyard and is confident it does not need to be look over, i.e no leaks, no need to open up the diff, then a 8.8 can be done for the price of a junkyard trip of about 150.00 and some work...most likely in that 350 range you said.

I am assuming he can not do all that free stuff or doesn't have those resources SO.....

Build your own 8.8 I said LESS THAN 1000 not knowing how much of the free stuff I mentioned he could have done at little or no cost. Add the SYE, driveshaft, labor of SYE install and you quickly pull away from your 350.00 mark

150.00 junkyard axle
?? labor to clean it up
225.00 before shipping for the cost of the bracket set
?? competent welders labor to put the brackets on (i.e understands pinion angles, bracket alignment, axle welding)
250.00 GOOD SYE kit
275.00 GOOD CV driveshaft
200.00 GOOD adjustable control arms
?? Axle install
---------------------
1100.00 without labor for anything

Pre built 8.8, most commonly from East Coast Gear Supply...bare bones built with used parts, ready to swap before shipping 1700.00. I am sure there are lesser known builders that do all the work for the customer but that's my base line and why I stated 1200.00

Used D44 from a TJ I got mine for 600.00, New Yukon R and P, trussed. I swapped it myself but spent 100.00 in gas to go get it (not necessarily everyone's cost but still a cost unless you get lucky and find one real close) new hardware (bolts) all around 30.00, rebuilt rear brakes at about 60.00 for piece of mind, R and P inspection resulted in a 20 dollar Lube locker and 10 bucks in gear fluid. MY cost about 800.00. I said about a 1000...only because I got a deal on the D44 and most cant be found for less than 1000.00

New aftermarket D44, like a G2 2083.00 with a locker before shipping and install.

So I am sorry if I offend you by being realistic on an axle swap....but its not fair to send a guy out with the thought that 350.00 and he can have it no prob. I offered the d35 swap option because the cost it low, it is ready to go in stock form, and if its a repairable (salvage) then he may have other more pressing tasks at hand than fabbing up a axle...but I think I did say if he was building it for fun then do it up the first time. All to often someone asks a simple question and before you know it they are told "while your doing that, you might as well do this..." and end up thinking they need a frame/axle/body swap...and thinking it costs nothing and the parts are out there on a shelf cheap.

I showed my sources for the info/prices I used...and it was only after a quick search, I am sure you can shop around for some deals to reduce any of these costs, but if you have little knowledge, and only an internet connection and Credit Card, these are the ones you will find.

Like I said, a forum works much better if you help the OP, not play armchair quarterback on other peoples posts. Using the phrase "in my opinion", or "my experiences have been..." goes along way to not pissing people off and making them justify themselves to you.

Just sayin...
03-05-2012 10:33 AM
sparky Remember your front axle also has the 3.73 gears. Your replacement has to be the same, or you will have to regear your front.
03-05-2012 09:04 AM
rda616
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Originally Posted by Kevbz

check the for sale and wanted sections. they are located on the main screen towards the bottom. Once you find your way around the forum you will be able to find almost any piece of info you need.

I attached a pic of the area you are looking for and the search bar, which will help you find D35's for sale. Like mentioned, a lot of people are looking for Dana 44's and Ford 8.8's so you will not just come across one easily, it will take some searching. But if you wanted to get it rolling down the road a D35 with your gears is an easy find, and an easy swap.

Stick with axles that are made for a Jeep TJ, they swap in the easiest, and have the right mounts and yoke configuration. Obviously the FORD 8.8 was not made for a Jeep but closely mimics the configuration size wise. They are plentiful, but require buying the right mounts and welding them on in the right way.

D35's go for 150-200 complete all day long, the used D44 are 1000.00+ and a build 8.8 is above that in the 1200+ area (pre-made for a TJ) or do it yourself 8.8 can be done for about >1000.00. New D44's require a surgeon to remove a vital body part to sell on the black market!!

If I bought a repairable Jeep, I'd spend 200.00 on a D35 axle that swaps right in so I could move on with the other parts of the repair, then when it was running down the road I'd look into the upgraded axle at a more leisurely pace. If you are building it up right from the get go and have the budget, than an upgraded axle first go around would be in order.
If you can weld, a ford 8.8 can be done for $350.00 . I have less then $700.00 in my dana 44 with superior axle shafts. I'm not sure where you got your prices, but I would say you haven't shopped around much if that's what you think they will cost you.
03-05-2012 08:20 AM
Kevbz
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Originally Posted by sleepo View Post
Yeah Inline 6 is what I wish I had gotten. Yeah its the auto trans. Know anybody with an axle for sale?
check the for sale and wanted sections. they are located on the main screen towards the bottom. Once you find your way around the forum you will be able to find almost any piece of info you need.

I attached a pic of the area you are looking for and the search bar, which will help you find D35's for sale. Like mentioned, a lot of people are looking for Dana 44's and Ford 8.8's so you will not just come across one easily, it will take some searching. But if you wanted to get it rolling down the road a D35 with your gears is an easy find, and an easy swap.

Stick with axles that are made for a Jeep TJ, they swap in the easiest, and have the right mounts and yoke configuration. Obviously the FORD 8.8 was not made for a Jeep but closely mimics the configuration size wise. They are plentiful, but require buying the right mounts and welding them on in the right way.

D35's go for 150-200 complete all day long, the used D44 are 1000.00+ and a build 8.8 is above that in the 1200+ area (pre-made for a TJ) or do it yourself 8.8 can be done for about >1000.00. New D44's require a surgeon to remove a vital body part to sell on the black market!!

If I bought a repairable Jeep, I'd spend 200.00 on a D35 axle that swaps right in so I could move on with the other parts of the repair, then when it was running down the road I'd look into the upgraded axle at a more leisurely pace. If you are building it up right from the get go and have the budget, than an upgraded axle first go around would be in order.
03-05-2012 07:57 AM
rda616 What's wrong with the one you have? Is it bent, or broken? If you can weld then get a ford 8.8 out of a 95-01 explorer. If not get a dana 44 out of another tj. If you want lower (numerically higher) gears look for a 8.8 with 4.10's. And a hp30 from a cherokee sport with a 4 cylinder 5 speed for the front. They came with 4.10's as well. Avoid the vacuum disconnect style.
03-05-2012 07:25 AM
InvertChaos
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Originally Posted by kshaws21

Went to a new to me 4 wheel shop Friday to talk about regearing my Jeep. Anyway, the guy that runs the place tells me his Jeep has the V6 in it. His Jeep (99 4.0) is decked out with every goody you can imagine as a demo of what they can do. Well as soon as he pops the hood I immediately see the I6. Now while its not a huge deal for the average Jeeper, I think an offroad shop owner (he's also the master technician on site) should know his Jeep is not a V6. For that reason, I am seriously considering looking elsewhere.....
Oh most definitely. Its just on WF when a new person has question so many people jump all over them for not knowing the difference between a V configuration and an I configuration when they have never even changed a vehicles oil before. It scares them off and they can't get answers or learn.
03-05-2012 07:20 AM
kshaws21
Quote:
Originally Posted by InvertChaos
Before you get harshly corrected by others, the 6 cylinder is actually in a straight line or an I configuration, not a V. So its an I-6 not a V6. Really not a big deal though.
Went to a new to me 4 wheel shop Friday to talk about regearing my Jeep. Anyway, the guy that runs the place tells me his Jeep has the V6 in it. His Jeep (99 4.0) is decked out with every goody you can imagine as a demo of what they can do. Well as soon as he pops the hood I immediately see the I6. Now while its not a huge deal for the average Jeeper, I think an offroad shop owner (he's also the master technician on site) should know his Jeep is not a V6. For that reason, I am seriously considering looking elsewhere.....
03-05-2012 05:48 AM
tjrhd 8.8 is a common rear swap. The Tj d-44's are a lot more expensive. There are tons of d-35's to be had if you really want one.
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