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04-28-2014 05:56 PM
deadarmadillo
Burning Rubber Smell after towing.

I get that smell too. Once the air conditioner compressor burned up after the jeep was towed about 1000 miles without being driven. I don't know if the smell is the serpentine belt or something else. I suspect that something is causing the a/c compressor to become liquid locked which in turn causes the belt to burn. In the case of a long tow (1000 miles) over three days the liquid lock was so bad that it destroyed the belt. I know it doesn't sound possible but don't know what else it could be.
09-21-2013 11:49 AM
Gonzos Wrangler Buddy of mine has over 70,000 towed miles on his 2004 Wrangler behind his motor home. Not a single problem because of this.
09-21-2013 11:35 AM
YJ Bill We have flat towed four different Jeeps (an MJ, YJ, TJ, and now a JK) around 50,000 miles over the last 20 years. Seems to work ok for us.

If your going to lots of RV parks and campgrounds trailers are a pain, lots of times there is no where to put one, or you have to leave it away from you site somewhere.

Just thought I would chime in, thanks.

09-21-2013 09:41 AM
rirrgang It is unbelievable how much misinformation is given by people who make crap up just to post and waste our time.
As many of informed posters have noted.
You cannot flat tow a 2WD Wrangler JK
You can flat tow a 4wd Wrangler. If 07 and early 08, key in ACC, Pull the IOD, tanny in Park or 6th gear if manual. Transfer case in Neutral. Geez, so simple. You may want to pull the M1 fuse if you have issues with your brake lights and blinkers like I do.
09-21-2013 04:31 AM
randco We recently purchased our 2008 Wrangler X and have not towed it yet. But the manual reads, Transfer Case in Neutral, Gear Selector in Park, Ignition Key to ACC position and disconnect the Negative Battery lead. The book has a 12 steps listed. There is also a Caution statement : Damage to the transmission my occur if the transmission is shifted into Park with the transfer case in Neutral and the engine is running. With the transfer case in Neutral ensure that the engine is off prior to shifting the transmission into park.

As a side note, we did tow a 2004 Buick Rendezvous 4 down behind our motorhome. We had installed a Remco lube pump in it. We put the transmission in Neutral and disconnected the battery with a disconnect switch. When we would unhook the car at a campground we would always get the same smell as described above. We found that it was road debris burning off.

A great place for towing information is Remco
07-19-2013 02:45 PM
michiganadam Yeah, thats my jeep getting towed. I have an aftermarket transmission cooler that was on there when i got it, and it was rubbing on something and finally cut threw. Blew about half the transmission fluid out and was hitting the exhaust and smoking on something. I knew it had a little drip before but didnt think it was going to do this. But atleast the shop has their own tow truck, they say itll be done in another half an hour. The oil cooler was free anyhow.

OH and im on my way to work. And no one else can do my work for me today so i still have to go there no matter how late it is.

I coulda drove it here but it coulda caught on fire too or poisoned me from the smoke. so. meh. tow trucks safer. Oh and they knew it needed to be towed on a rollback anyway.
07-19-2013 02:34 PM
Off Pavement
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Originally Posted by littlebaler View Post
this looks like a good tow set up. we just purchased a 10a and wonder if the new steel bumper is stout enough to do something like this.
The 10A has "crush cans" on the ends of the frame rails that are going to be in the way I'm pretty sure. Currie Enterprises has a base plate that might work with the 10A bumper, but you would need to contact them. I'm sure the other tow bar manufacturers either have, or are working on 10A base plate too.
07-19-2013 02:28 PM
zmotorsports
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Originally Posted by michiganadam View Post
This knowledge suddenly became useful.

I hope that is not you having to be towed. I hate that feeling.

I had a fan come apart and throw a fan blade through my radiator and my power steering resevoir as well as cut the serpentine belt a few years back on my Suburban and there was absolutely nothing I could do on the side of the road. Call a tow truck and wait. It sucks. The wife was much more patient and understanding than I was by far.

Mike.
07-19-2013 01:42 PM
michiganadam This knowledge suddenly became useful.
07-19-2013 11:47 AM
michiganadam
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Originally Posted by zmotorsports View Post
If you were to put the front end of the Jeep on a tow dolly, put the transfer case in neutral and tow it with the rear wheels still on the ground, the rear driveshaft would still be turning. Even though the TC is in neutral their is still a characteristic called viscous coupling, where two non mechanically connected components are in close proximity to each other with fluid present. One being driven and the other not. The fluid will actually try to "drag" the non driven component by the friction that the fluid emposes on it.

If you have ever watched a four wheel drive truck/Jeep driving down the road with lockout hubs and the front driveshaft is spinning at a much reduced RPM while the rear driveshaft is spinning at driven speed this is the phenomina I am referring to. The fluid is dragging the front driveshaft along.

On a vehicle without lockout hubs this becomes a problem because when the rear driveshaft is spining and the front is strapped to the dolly making it impossible to rotate the heat generated by shearing the fluid in the TC will multiply quickly.

Hope that makes sense, or hope I understood the question and answered it for you.

On a side note, I don't know why they build two-wheel drive Jeeps either. Seems like a waste of a Jeep.

Mike.
Oh. I understand now. I will definitely make sure my jeep gets flatbedded if i have to get it towed in the non RV way.
07-19-2013 11:46 AM
michiganadam
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Originally Posted by littlebaler View Post
this looks like a good tow set up. we just purchased a 10a and wonder if the new steel bumper is stout enough to do something like this.
it has shackles?

Even with the plastic bumper equipped jeeps, the tow hooks are mounted directly to the frame. I bet your shackles are right at the frame mounts. If so, and the bumper is good quality, i do not see why it would not.

There's a mopar tow bar. I always wondered how it attached...
07-19-2013 10:07 AM
littlebaler
10 a bumper

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Originally Posted by Off Pavement View Post
Mileage doesn't accrue when towed. The transfer case is placed in neutral so no miles will be added. Typically, a fuse is pulled by vehicles that use a supplemental brake system because the towed vehicle brake lights will overpower the turn signals from the towing vehicle.

Your second question is a good one. I don't have any experience with towing a Jeep with death wobble or other steering issues. I've also not heard anyone mention it, so I consider your question REALLY good!

I can't speak specifically about your ROKMEN bumper but I will say that I tow my JKU with Metalcloak bumper by the shackle mounts. There are several shackle mount tow bar adapters. I use the new ones from Blue Ox...

this looks like a good tow set up. we just purchased a 10a and wonder if the new steel bumper is stout enough to do something like this.
07-19-2013 09:01 AM
zmotorsports
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Originally Posted by michiganadam View Post
You misunderstood me. I wasnt referring to the two wheel drive, i understand why you have to have a transfer case to do it. I was referring to, why cant you tow it on a regular tow truck or a dolly? What would be the difference between that and having lockkuts? I dont get that.

I also dont get why a 2 wheel drive wrangler exists but...lol
If you were to put the front end of the Jeep on a tow dolly, put the transfer case in neutral and tow it with the rear wheels still on the ground, the rear driveshaft would still be turning. Even though the TC is in neutral their is still a characteristic called viscous coupling, where two non mechanically connected components are in close proximity to each other with fluid present. One being driven and the other not. The fluid will actually try to "drag" the non driven component by the friction that the fluid emposes on it.

If you have ever watched a four wheel drive truck/Jeep driving down the road with lockout hubs and the front driveshaft is spinning at a much reduced RPM while the rear driveshaft is spinning at driven speed this is the phenomina I am referring to. The fluid is dragging the front driveshaft along.

On a vehicle without lockout hubs this becomes a problem because when the rear driveshaft is spining and the front is strapped to the dolly making it impossible to rotate the heat generated by shearing the fluid in the TC will multiply quickly.

Hope that makes sense, or hope I understood the question and answered it for you.

On a side note, I don't know why they build two-wheel drive Jeeps either. Seems like a waste of a Jeep.

Mike.
07-19-2013 07:03 AM
michiganadam
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Originally Posted by zmotorsports View Post
Totally different systems. The two-wheel drive models do not have a transfer case to disengage the drive axles from the transmission. The transfer case provides this "disconnect" between the final drives and the transmission/engine. Even if shifting into neutral on a manual transmission on a two-wheel drive model the output shaft is still spinning also requiring lubrication. The lubrication is not provided by the output shaft, it is driven off of the countershaft so the transmission will not be getting lubed.

As far as putting lockout hubs on which many are doing this is mainly just to keep the front axle shafts and driveshaft from turning while flat towing. The rear driveshaft will still be turning as will the output shaft from the transfer case. That is where is stops though, nothing forward of the output shafts will be turning, except the front hubs/wheels.

Mike.
You misunderstood me. I wasnt referring to the two wheel drive, i understand why you have to have a transfer case to do it. I was referring to, why cant you tow it on a regular tow truck or a dolly? What would be the difference between that and having lockkuts? I dont get that.

I also dont get why a 2 wheel drive wrangler exists but...lol
07-18-2013 07:38 AM
zmotorsports
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Originally Posted by michiganadam View Post
How come you cant tow 2 down but you can put lockout hubs on? Wtf?

I have heard stories of death wobble while rv towing breaking tow bars...........but how would you not notice it quickly?
Totally different systems. The two-wheel drive models do not have a transfer case to disengage the drive axles from the transmission. The transfer case provides this "disconnect" between the final drives and the transmission/engine. Even if shifting into neutral on a manual transmission on a two-wheel drive model the output shaft is still spinning also requiring lubrication. The lubrication is not provided by the output shaft, it is driven off of the countershaft so the transmission will not be getting lubed.

As far as putting lockout hubs on which many are doing this is mainly just to keep the front axle shafts and driveshaft from turning while flat towing. The rear driveshaft will still be turning as will the output shaft from the transfer case. That is where is stops though, nothing forward of the output shafts will be turning, except the front hubs/wheels.

Mike.
07-18-2013 07:34 AM
zmotorsports Sorry, I only saw the first part of the question.

You should not have death wobble when towing if you are not having any issues while driving it as towing does not put any different loads on the front axle affecting caster as when driving.

The fuse is usually pulled due to having to have the ignition key turned to the "ON" position to unlock the steering wheel. This will cause drain on the battery. Pulling the fuse eliminate this risk while allowing the steering wheel to be unlocked.

On many of the older ZJ's, WJ's, XJ's and TJ/LJ's the key actually has an "unlock" position that does not turn anything electrical on, merely unlocks the steering wheel.

No miles do not accrue when flat towing with the key in the unlock position or on the newer JK's without the key in the ignition.

That said, on 2007-2008 JK/JKU's the key when turned on will power up the accessories just to unlock the steering wheel. There is a 60-amp fuse that can be pulled in the fuse panel under the hood to remedy this when towing, or you can disassemble the steering column and remove the steering wheel lock.

On 2009-later model JK/JKU's the steering wheel lock has not been installed from the factory so no need to even have a key in the ignition when towing. This is one of the reasons when we were looking to buy I wanted a 2009 or newer, just not to have to hassle with it.

The "D" ring mounts do make good attachement points for towbars and there are several manufacturers that fabricate adapters to fit almost every towbar system on the market. Just make certain to keep the height in mind, try to keep the towbar as level as possible. Most towbar manufacturers recommend +/- 4" maximum out of level but I try to keep it less than 2".

Mike.
07-18-2013 07:25 AM
michiganadam How come you cant tow 2 down but you can put lockout hubs on? Wtf?

I have heard stories of death wobble while rv towing breaking tow bars...........but how would you not notice it quickly?
07-18-2013 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by statik View Post
Can I add some questions?

I want to flat tow my 06 Rubi.
Can I pull a fuse like the JKs and not accrue miles?

Are jeeps immune to deathwobble while being flat towed?

And one more, can I flat tow from the shackle points on my ROKMEN Merc bumper or.......no way?
Mileage doesn't accrue when towed. The transfer case is placed in neutral so no miles will be added. Typically, a fuse is pulled by vehicles that use a supplemental brake system because the towed vehicle brake lights will overpower the turn signals from the towing vehicle.

Your second question is a good one. I don't have any experience with towing a Jeep with death wobble or other steering issues. I've also not heard anyone mention it, so I consider your question REALLY good!

I can't speak specifically about your ROKMEN bumper but I will say that I tow my JKU with Metalcloak bumper by the shackle mounts. There are several shackle mount tow bar adapters. I use the new ones from Blue Ox...

07-18-2013 07:14 AM
zmotorsports
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Originally Posted by Mike- View Post
... The manual expressly tells you exactly how to tow it 4down behind RVs, and no one who does that does it for short distances.

Exactly. The JK's/JKU's are extremely friendly for 4-down/flat towing behind RVs. But then again, so are the TJ/LJ's, ZJ's, WJ's and XJ's, One of the best line of vehicles on the market to be used as a toad. That said there are a few specific models that shouldn't be flat towed such as the two-wheel drive versions and some of the newer Grands but the majority are excellent toads.

We have towed ours to Canada and back in one trip and probably another 6-8k miles in only the short time we have had it.

As for my other Jeeps we have towed them well over 100k miles over the past 20 years of Jeeping and RVing.

Mike.
07-18-2013 02:00 AM
Mike-
That is a total load of crap...

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Originally Posted by pkmcd99 View Post
FYI, as quoted in wrangler manual, Do not Tow on all four. Manufacturer requires extensive towing be performed with all 4 wheels off ground. Your Jeep, your warranty. Even though there is an RV tow procedure, the JKs seem to be sensitive to this type of tow, I would adhere to the general towing procedure rule, as quoted above. Get a trailer.
... The manual expressly tells you exactly how to tow it 4down behind RVs, and no one who does that does it for short distances.
07-17-2013 10:31 PM
statik Can I add some questions?

I want to flat tow my 06 Rubi.
Can I pull a fuse like the JKs and not accrue miles?

Are jeeps immune to deathwobble while being flat towed?

And one more, can I flat tow from the shackle points on my ROKMEN Merc bumper or.......no way?
06-29-2013 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jeepbill View Post
I am new to owning jeep. 1991 YJ when towing in on all four, should both the trans and transfer case be in neutral ??? also brand new to this forum. Bill
Welcome to the forum! Your transfer case must be in neutral and your transmission in any gear or park if an automatic.
06-29-2013 03:12 PM
Lab Lover We've towed a n 02 TJ, 03 TJ and 2012 JKUR and gotten a little bit of the burnt rubber type smell from every one of them. I've also read that it's due to road grime building up, and it has gone away after a short time of driving each one of them.

We have also had no problems flat towing any of the Jeeps I mentioned with our RV. We will now be towing the 03 on a flatbed trailer since it has the Atlas II transfer case
06-29-2013 02:45 PM
jeepbill
towing my YJ

I am new to owning jeep. 1991 YJ when towing in on all four, should both the trans and transfer case be in neutral ??? also brand new to this forum. Bill
10-14-2012 05:19 PM
Off Pavement Dang... I shouldn't comment since my Wrangler towing hasn't been in a JK, but my TJ rolled over 75K behind our motorhome over the years. Biggest problem I had was if I got into a tight spot and had to disconnect to get out... you can't back up a towed 4 down vehicle more that a few feet and even then it must be in a straight line.

Suebabe - Does your towing vehicle have a brake activation light in it that comes on when the brakes in the toad are activated by the Patriot system? If not, I'd suspect dragging brakes, but you would have likely figured that out if you always checked your towed vehicle brake lights... just a thought.
10-14-2012 04:57 PM
cdvick
Flat Towing My 2012 Jeep Sahara

I just drove from Moab, Utah to Lovington, NM via Grand Junction CO.
I was towing my 4 door sahara according to the owners manual to NM.
Took the Blue ox off of the truck and put it on the back of the jeep just to keep it out of the way. Drove it back to Moab. All this weekend. No motel rooms. Jeep only. Left it running while I napped. Congrats Feerless Felix! Ballon festival at sunrise in Alburqurqe . NM Awesome! No problems. Lifetime warranty. No worries.
09-04-2012 08:31 AM
zmotorsports
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Originally Posted by Suebabe View Post
Just curious if those experiencing an occasional rubber smell--do you use an additional brake system, like the Patriot? We don't have our jeep yet (ordering soon) and plan to tow our 2013 behind the motorhome. Our manual Subaru Outback tows great but when we used the Patriot brake system, we noticed excessive burning rubber smell. We disconnected it, since we don't do a lot of mountain driving, and no longer have the smell. It is possible we didn't have it connected properly. Cant' wait to tow our jeep!
The burning smell is independent of any auxiliary braking system. We have gotten it when we ran our U.S. Gear Auxiliary braking system and we have gotten the smell when not running any aux. brakes. It is merely the road grime coming off of the road and attaching to the vehicles exhaust system. After starting and running it for a short time it will burn off and then be undectable.

Mike.
09-01-2012 10:30 PM
Suebabe Just curious if those experiencing an occasional rubber smell--do you use an additional brake system, like the Patriot? We don't have our jeep yet (ordering soon) and plan to tow our 2013 behind the motorhome. Our manual Subaru Outback tows great but when we used the Patriot brake system, we noticed excessive burning rubber smell. We disconnected it, since we don't do a lot of mountain driving, and no longer have the smell. It is possible we didn't have it connected properly. Cant' wait to tow our jeep!
03-23-2012 08:33 AM
DeanLinAZ HogDriver and zmotorsports got it right. The rest is just "folksy news".

We tow our 2007 Sahara behind our Winnie Journey everywhere we go with no issues except for the occasional "rubber smell" which comes from the rubber dust, oil particles, etc spread on our highways by all the traffic using them settling on the Jeep's engine and exhaust parts. The "smell" goes away after a few minutes or miles of normal driving.

BTW, we have previously towed a PT Cruiser and a Miata. Both these guys did the same "rubber smell" thing. The Miata was much, much worse than the Jeep or the PT Cruiser--lower to the ground and had a big grill opening close to the ground.

Just follow Jeep's directions and tow away--have fun.
03-23-2012 07:37 AM
Jeff_ Add me to the list of people that have towed a Wrangler for 50,000 + miles 4 down with no problems. I did get that "smell" once or twice but as another posted stated I was never able to track it down. Just follow the directions in the owner's manual and you should be fine.
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