|03-09-2012 03:33 PM|
|kxavier||Sorry no pictures (I should have)... given my schedule and skill level thought I'd leave this one to the pros. For the probem: it started with creak ing and progressively got worse over about six weeks or so.|
|03-09-2012 01:43 PM|
Thanks very much for taking the time (great pictorial) and yah, you nailed it Ring and Pinion appear to be fine (I hope) what's in between is what's kluged up, mushroomed and tooth and a half through the grinder.
Thanks again to all for your help... great group you have here.
|03-09-2012 10:05 AM|
Ok so kinda exaggerated about the blowing up part. Though when I think of people doing it on the road I can picture a person driving on the highway when a little rain starts to fall. Thinking it would be a great idea to turn on 4wd to keep from spinning.
Kevbz - For the most part it is the same. Though the d44's should come with a LSD and he will have a bunch of friction clutches in there as well. You can tell by the shape of the carrier. If it necks down from the R&P it is open, if its the same width all the way across then it is an LSD carrier. Here is a pic of my old one that is an LSD. Also if the R&P are messed up then now is a good time to regear to a new ratio. But since you could drive on it(and didn't complain with noise driving straight) and it was locking your wheels together only while turning all my money is on the spider gears.
Also since I just love exploded drawings, here is a d44's parts. Follow the link to get the part names and numbers. If all you need are the spider gears and clutch plates it's ~300 in parts and a competent shop could do it in 2 hours or less. Hopefully only a $500 fix. Or do it yourself and save and learn.
Dana 44 Rear Axle for Jeep Wrangler TJ at Morris 4x4 Center
|03-09-2012 09:21 AM|
|03-09-2012 09:17 AM|
I am definitely interested in a picture of what it looks like.
Did you do anything severe to get it to happen/start? or did it just creep on, or just BAM...there it was?
|03-09-2012 09:07 AM|
|03-09-2012 08:33 AM|
|03-09-2012 08:29 AM|
|Kevbz||ok, this is a D35, not a D44 gear set so I am bowing out slightly since i don't know the difference entirely between the two, but the red = bad, yellow = not so bad still applies, just not sure how they come out, or if they come out, like a D35|
|03-09-2012 08:25 AM|
for your axle to be locking together, the area pointed with yellow arrows is where you problem is right?
the red arrow areas point to the ring and pinion (uninstalled on a bench of course).
If your damage didn't get out into the teeth of the red arrows area, it just got alot cheaper. the small screw (white arrow) comes out, the pin (starred) slides out, the spider gears (yellow) come out. Theres a few steps to get it to this point since this one is sitting on a bench and not in the axle (like sliding your axles out) but i am not sure how much of this you are going to do so i wont get to specific.
Summary...red arrow gears damaged = bad
yellow arrow gears damaged = not so bad
|03-09-2012 08:23 AM|
|03-09-2012 08:13 AM|
|kxavier||.... oh and metal plug with square "allen" key type plug.|
|03-09-2012 08:11 AM|
|kxavier||Jeez thanks and not sure this is new to me. Hope your right. Will get on lijnwe to figure out what ur talkin about|
|03-09-2012 05:53 AM|
|03-09-2012 01:00 AM|
|kxavier||4Hi = 2 Hi. why are you runnin four? I am a naive CA guy so I never have 4Hi weather. Increased control in snow? Otherwise you'll hurt that Jeep every time you turn on the pavement in 4hi... take it from the guy with a 1K bill|
|03-09-2012 12:48 AM|
|BT||Not to get off topic..but why can't you use 4H on pavement in a TJ I can in my YJ. Just curious because my father has a TJ that I occasionally drive and I don't want to break anything. He may be old but he can still run damn near as fast as me!|
|03-09-2012 12:43 AM|
Thanks for the clue. They spun the same way; not good right? (re: differential locked up?). Cracked the case open to have a look: heavy damage to the "side gear" (the gear assy perpendicular to the axle right?). Bent over gears and fragments, oooy... probably in for $1000 I'm thinkin.
Jerry - believe me I know the clueless are out there, but I was not circling the parking lots in 4X mode on the asphault... wanted to put you at ease, again thanks all but screwed on this one as this is over my head from hear on out. Time for a beer.
|03-08-2012 10:05 PM|
|DeadHeadRed||I used to have a 92 Isuzu Amigo and I would take sharp turn with my friends in the car to make the tires bark. We called it "barking the big dog" Tons of fun for sure|
|03-08-2012 06:22 PM|
Will do tonight...
|03-08-2012 03:36 PM|
Get Both Rear Tires in the Air and Spin 1 of them and See what Direction, if any, the Opposite Wheel Spins.
|03-08-2012 02:12 PM|
maybe jacking up the rear and manually checking the tire rotation is the way to go then...
|03-08-2012 02:09 PM|
Have you opened it up yet?
|03-08-2012 01:43 PM|
Thanks very much for the feedback. Have had the Jeep and a couple other wheelers and am definately not trying to drive four on pavement, nor are the front wheels engaged its strictly the rears.
|03-08-2012 01:28 PM|
|03-08-2012 01:25 PM|
After being in 4X4 mode, it's a good idea to go in reverse (back up) for 8 to 10 feet to assist in complete disengagement of 4X4. Doesn't hurt at any rate.
+ 1 ^^^^^ on what Jerry said, unless you want to replace the Unit.
|03-08-2012 01:23 PM|
Again, you cannot drive in 4Hi or 4Lo on pavement which is what you were doing in that parking lot. Doing so WILL cause that issue you described. And shifting back into 2wd does not happen instantly after moving the lever back into 2wd. It will take you driving it a short distance before the t-case actually fully shifts back into 2wd.
There is nothing wrong with your TJ, its 4x4 system is working normally. Once again... you cannot drive in 4x4 (4Hi or 4Lo) on paved surfaces unless they are completely covered in snow or ice. The Wrangler's 4x4 system is strictly for off-paved road use only.
|03-08-2012 01:19 PM|
Thank you all so much for the feedback... differential is all stock, 2000 4.0 "Sport", manual transmission. Tried 4Hi and Low in a parking lot last night and almost seemed to get worse once returned to 2Hi, but may have been perception. Engagement at the lever did not seam to feel mushy, but I'm no expert...
I'll look into wiring or position sensors, Thx again!
|03-08-2012 11:27 AM|
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|03-08-2012 10:59 AM|
|IslandTJ||Potential existence of a spool or Lincoln locker...|
|03-08-2012 10:41 AM|
|TheTJRod||As long as there was nothing wrong with the wires from the t-case position sensor. His dash 4x4 light would be on regardless of where the shift lever is at.|
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