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05-09-2012 10:33 AM
pkmcd99
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Originally Posted by daggo66
Raptors are great, until you bend the frame. Check out the latest issue of Offroad magazine.
Thats what happens when you take an FX4 add shocks with mild lift, 35's and a super charger and call it a Baja Ready Truck. ssssSLAM! Nothing like a heep.
05-09-2012 08:26 AM
MarineHawk It's just anecdotal, but I bought my only Ford in 1991—a 2x4 Ranger. I mostly drove it pretty calmly. It was an okay truck and I was fine with it. But by 1995, it started to fall apart. Within a year, and before it had 60K miles on it, the air-conditioning compressor went out; I had extremely-expensive clutch and transmission failures; the emissions system completely went bonkers, causing the truck to spew more black smoke than I thought possible; and other little things. They may be good for others, but that was my first and last Ford.
05-09-2012 07:23 AM
pkmcd99
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Originally Posted by Strokerswild

WANT!!!!

The Fords I've owned in the past 10-15 years have been bulletproof, gas and go affairs.

On the verge of ordering a new JK in a few months, but horror stories around here (plus nagging experiences with my TJs, and the wife's former POS '07 Compass) give me pause.

It would kill me to dump my absolutely trusty '04 F150 for a new JK and have ANY issues with it.....
I use to have a 69 Bronco.351w ,C6 loved it. Rust took her to heaven too early
05-09-2012 06:34 AM
Strokerswild
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Originally Posted by Blackened View Post
I am a Ford guy too and love the JKs but the original 60s/70s bronco's did outperform CJs of the time imo.

Raptors are badass and I thought about getting one instead of my JK but I didn't want a pickup truck again and the roof doesn't come off. The ford Explorer is no where near what a bronco was or could be again. Would have been nice to see what ford would have done with a production model of..

WANT!!!!

The Fords I've owned in the past 10-15 years have been bulletproof, gas and go affairs.

On the verge of ordering a new JK in a few months, but horror stories around here (plus nagging experiences with my TJs, and the wife's former POS '07 Compass) give me pause.

It would kill me to dump my absolutely trusty '04 F150 for a new JK and have ANY issues with it.....
05-09-2012 06:23 AM
daggo66 Raptors are great, until you bend the frame. Check out the latest issue of Offroad magazine.
05-09-2012 06:20 AM
pkmcd99
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Originally Posted by suicideking

Comparing apples to oranges there. The Raptor is essentially an off road version of the F150, but not really a fair comparison to a Rubi. They're much wider since they're full size trucks.

I went on a run once with a Raptor. Those things are beasts! If I had a need for a full size truck, I would want a Raptor. They are badass!

A better comparison would be like comparing a Sport to a Rubicon. The F150 is like the Sport, Raptor is more like a Rubi.
I was merely taking the two top offroad dogs and comparing on a purposeful jeep trail. Rubi wins hands down
05-08-2012 11:17 PM
snochick Burning oil isn't a "Jeep Thing" Something is definitely wrong, and hopefully you're not one of the unlucky ones to get hold of a lemon. It happens.

I've owned my share of Jeeps over the years.
- '89 White YJ (Traded for the Silver TJ, wanted Coil springs. Never any issues.)
- '01 Yellow TJ (Ex husband traded it for a Dodge Dually, he wasn't a real Jeeper, never any issues.)
- '01 Silver TJ (Ex husband rolled it or I'd still have this one. Almost 40k miles before she met her untimely death, never an issue.)
-'11 Silver JK (Still have this one, she's still young, but not a single problem so far.)
-'12 Gecko JK (she doesn't count yet b/c I just got her today. :P)

I've never had any kind of reliability issues out of any of them. I did however pay 54k for a Ford Powerstroke that within the first 50k miles received 2 new tranny's, a torque converter, and a turbo.

Every brand is gonna have a lemon pop up here and there. But don't let one bad luck one give be the basis of your entire opinion of a vehicle.

Jeep owners are almost a cult. It's b/c over all the years these things have proven to be quite possibly the most bulletproof, fun off-road vehicle ever produced. I really hope you can get yours going again so you can get a chance to see that aspect of it.

Believe me when I tell you though, your current experience with it is definitely not he norm.
05-08-2012 11:09 PM
suicideking
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Originally Posted by pkmcd99 View Post
As any genuine stang owner knows, stock sucks, but ya can build em to desimate all. That being said, Ill put a Rubicon up against a Raptor on the trails any day. So the whole Ford thing can go, because Im betting your Jeep thats in the shop continues to go where you point it.
Comparing apples to oranges there. The Raptor is essentially an off road version of the F150, but not really a fair comparison to a Rubi. They're much wider since they're full size trucks.

I went on a run once with a Raptor. Those things are beasts! If I had a need for a full size truck, I would want a Raptor. They are badass!

A better comparison would be like comparing a Sport to a Rubicon. The F150 is like the Sport, Raptor is more like a Rubi.
05-08-2012 08:36 PM
wile_coyote
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Originally Posted by Jurhip View Post
Try owning an aircooled Porsche. 1qt/1k mi is considered normal.
Strange, mine doesn't do that.
05-08-2012 06:20 PM
Bigsteve89 Ive had 3 fords before my current grand cherokee. A 96 f150, a 94 mustang gt, and a 01 f250. The f150 liked snapping driveshafts and nothing i did prevented it rusting out, the mustang blew 2 clutches to shreds... probably why a 17 year old kid shouldnt have one, and the f250 which i still have has shot out 3 sparkplugs, destroyed the rear axle which prompted my friends to make the new acronym f@#$ed overrear diff, has had new ball joints every year beacuse they wear out too soon, and the trans slips all the time.
The grand cherokee has a cv axle going out, the stock amp blew and so did all the speakers, the check engine light always goes off saying the coolant sensor is bad even though ive replaced both sensors 3 times, it overheated on the coldest day of the year last winter, its a hard start even on a normal day, and its rusting as bad as my old f150.

between the issues ive had with both ford and jeeps you would think i would roll the f250 and the grand cherokee off a cliff after starting both on fire before i would ever buy another product from jeep or ford. Thats not the case however im never getting rid of the f250 no matter the number of headaches its caused me and im getting a 2012 wrangler this weekend. Brand loyalty is a great thing but every vehicle out there has the possibility of being a complete pile or the best running car ever. Before condemning a brand think hard about why there are still new cars out there and people buying those cars every day
05-08-2012 04:07 PM
RaiderRUBICON OP sounds like a troll to me.

AJ
05-08-2012 03:58 PM
pkmcd99 As any genuine stang owner knows, stock sucks, but ya can build em to desimate all. That being said, Ill put a Rubicon up against a Raptor on the trails any day. So the whole Ford thing can go, because Im betting your Jeep thats in the shop continues to go where you point it.
05-08-2012 02:40 PM
steve66 I bought a new 1989 mustang lx 5.0, that lasted 6 months before the converter backed up and burned the car to the ground. Bought a new 2010 gt, had it for 1 year, driveshaft fell out of the transmission at 500 miles, and after they replaced that, the alternator went out. At 2500 miles the winshield wipers came on by themself and wouldnt shut off. Done! i will never buy a ford again. This is my first Chrysler product and i have never been a big fan of them, but my 2000 Sahara was the best thing i ever drove, so i figured i would give them a chance. I guess only time will tell, but for now, i frickin love my new jeep!
05-08-2012 02:04 PM
Snow king The fords were trying to transform my brothers truck shot the plug out on a road trip bout 200 mile round trip we unplugged The fuel injector and drove about 150 miles sounding like a tractor and it still pulled like a v8 shitty it happens to such a awesome motor look up some of the power numbers the mustangs can make on pump gas and it can't be that bad a motor it spanks Italian super cars and corvettes gt40
03-25-2012 09:23 PM
blackforestgreen this a known issue on 3.8 engine. post back when you hit 200000 miles and its still running strong. 3.8 a proven engine. unlike the 5.4 and other ford engines, it will still be holding its plugs in place.
03-25-2012 09:14 PM
MuddyBruce
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Originally Posted by baitfish13 View Post
At least your not Found Off Road Dead!!!!
Fix Or Repair Daily
03-21-2012 10:36 PM
lightninquick i own a 2011 explorer, a 2003 lightning, 2011 ecoboost, 2011 super duty 6.7, 1969 mach1 and a 1971 f100. you can say i bleed blue, but NONE of them vehicles have given me the joy of my jeeps.
03-21-2012 10:24 PM
79Scout12Jeep Glad you got it fixed. I have owned them all over the years and have had old and new plus restored many different types. One thing that everyone should remember these things are mass produced and when you make 100K+ items a year there is bound to be problems.
03-21-2012 09:34 PM
superwd6 Update. First I'm sorry, I was upset . Dealer is McKeown Motor Sales in Stirling ,Ontario. We didn't buy the Jeep from them but did look there first. They replaced piston rings & gaskets ,washed Jeep & shined tires-filled all fluids didn't pay a dime & had loaner car. Can't say enough about how good we were treated. Friend talked to the mechanic that did it - said they have done 9 of the 3.8 Litres but didn't break it down as to how many were mini vansor Jeeps.So far, not one has come back still using oil. My wife wanted this Jeep so we got it, (Nobody else makes em like this)I had no desire to own one but gotta say they are great, and can see why they have a huge following. So If I don't wave please don't be offended,I only drive it when she lets me which is hardly ever. She will wave
03-17-2012 01:19 AM
suicideking
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Originally Posted by Blackened View Post

Raptors are badass and I thought about getting one instead of my JK but I didn't want a pickup truck again and the roof doesn't come off. The ford Explorer is no where near what a bronco was or could be again. Would have been nice to see what ford would have done with a production model of..
Yeah, too bad they didn't make that. Not like I'd be able to afford it lol.

Here's the Raptor in action.

A little grindage in this one.

VID00030 - YouTube
03-17-2012 12:45 AM
Blackened
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Originally Posted by craigwieck View Post
That would be sweet but I don't think you can beat the jeep. I don't even own one yet I am already obsest with them. I will admitt I'm a ford guy but I can't wait to get mine.
I am a Ford guy too and love the JKs but the original 60s/70s bronco's did outperform CJs of the time imo.



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Originally Posted by suicideking View Post
I guess the closest thing they have to the Bronco now is the Explorer.

I guess the closest stock vehicle they have now for wheeling is the Raptor. That thing is bad ass! One went wheeling with us last weekend, pretty impressive. Only problem was it was too wide for parts of the trail we went on, had to bypass some sections.
Raptors are badass and I thought about getting one instead of my JK but I didn't want a pickup truck again and the roof doesn't come off. The ford Explorer is no where near what a bronco was or could be again. Would have been nice to see what ford would have done with a production model of..

03-17-2012 12:00 AM
suicideking
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Originally Posted by Blackened View Post
Makes you wish they would come out with a new Bronco doesn't it?
I guess the closest thing they have to the Bronco now is the Explorer.

I guess the closest stock vehicle they have now for wheeling is the Raptor. That thing is bad ass! One went wheeling with us last weekend, pretty impressive. Only problem was it was too wide for parts of the trail we went on, had to bypass some sections.
03-16-2012 11:06 PM
MuddyBruce
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Originally Posted by Jurhip View Post
Try owning an aircooled Porsche. 1qt/1k mi is considered normal.
My wife's '11 Cayenne S burns 1qt/1k mile too.
03-16-2012 10:02 PM
craigwieck
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Originally Posted by Blackened View Post
Makes you wish they would come out with a new Bronco doesn't it?
That would be sweet but I don't think you can beat the jeep. I don't even own one yet I am already obsest with them. I will admitt I'm a ford guy but I can't wait to get mine.
03-16-2012 09:30 PM
Blackened Makes you wish they would come out with a new Bronco doesn't it?
03-16-2012 05:52 PM
craigwieck I was a tech at a ford dealer for 12 years. Even fords have problems. Do a search on the 6.0l
03-16-2012 01:01 PM
B11 I recall reading something about a certain period of the 3.8 motors having one or more of the rings installed upside down or something like that. I think those 3.8's with issues were installed up into some of the early 2009 Wranglers.

A quick google search will give you more information than you will probably want.

I love my Wrangler but it sure is disappointing they built them like Yugo's
03-16-2012 12:42 PM
Celtic
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Originally Posted by superwd6 View Post
.Sorry guys, but this does prove that Jeeps & Harleys have their own little cult. I do like the Jeep for what it does and amazed at how sharp it turns.It rides great considering the wheelbase.But as the first brand new vehicle we ever bought is it going to start burning oil again in another 50,000 miles? .Dealer is putting new rings in it.I'm asking the people on here who have had this issue if the rings stopped it burnning oil for good or just past warranty?
First, sorry about your problem.

First question is how was it determined that the oil rings are bad? That is pretty close to the extreme end of a diagnosis.

How were relatively less expensive items like a pcv valve and even valve stem seals ruled out?

Did the oil consumption come on gradually or happen relatively overnight?

Do you get a big puff of blue smoke out the exhaust when coasting down a hill and the flooring the gas pedal for a second or two?

Oil rings replacement is a pretty drastic solution. What did the dealer do to convince you that they are bad? There are dozens of other things it might be. Is the dealer guaranteeing that replacing the oil rings will cure the problem, or is he going to replace the valve stem seals, pcv valve and a bunch of other stuff while he is in there "just in case"?
03-16-2012 11:43 AM
B11 I've always been a Ford guy and have had very minor issues with the many different Fords I've owned. I also have a 09 Rubicon that is easily the biggest piece of sheet, when it comes to quality of craftsmenship, that I have ever owned. Wranglers easily must be the single biggest money maker of any vehicle on the planet. They charge a ridiculous price for these things and use the cheepest worst products I've ever seen used for building a vehicle that cost as much as Wranglers do. Except for the things Jeep doesn't make, like the Dana running gear, I think these things are a total piece of sheet!!!!!!

BUT!!! Having just bashed on Jeep Wranglers the way I did I still love my Wrangler. I've had 4 different Jeeps, 1971CJ5 & 3 Wranglers, and they are without a doubt the most FUN vehicle I have ever owned and if I sold mine today I would buy a new one tomorrow. I just wish Jeep wasn't such a POS company and would build Wranglers as well as Ford builds the F-Series trucks.
03-16-2012 10:37 AM
superwd6 .Sorry guys, but this does prove that Jeeps & Harleys have their own little cult. I do like the Jeep for what it does and amazed at how sharp it turns.It rides great considering the wheelbase.But as the first brand new vehicle we ever bought is it going to start burning oil again in another 50,000 miles? .Dealer is putting new rings in it.I'm asking the people on here who have had this issue if the rings stopped it burnning oil for good or just past warranty?
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