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03-31-2012 12:43 PM
Baby Huey That seems to be a problem everywhere in Suburbia ....No place to shoot.
I live at the foothills to the Coast Range mountains here in Oregun, lots of places to shoot and set up targets in the logging areas, but weekends are crowded here too, most of the rock pits are full of people shooting and most are "Blasters" shooting up banana clips of ammo one after another....No problem with that but if a guy is trying to shoot a group into a target , it's hard to check the paper ...
So here we have Motorcycles, 4X4's/jeeps, horses, bicycles,hikers all trying to get along in the same areas , so you know who looses out.....Guns.
Hang in there !! ... "BH"
03-31-2012 12:20 PM
KBR97 Yea I really like the Savage so far. I also have a Savage MKII 22lr. Really fun gun to shoot.
Problem around here in NY, specifically Long Island, there is no where to shoot. There are 2 outdoor ranges over here. Both are within 20 minutes of each other, and get extremely crowded on weekend due to the lack of places to shoot. And both are at least an hour drive for me to get to.

I find myself at the local indoor 25yd with my 22's more often.
03-31-2012 12:06 PM
Baby Huey
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Originally Posted by KBR97 View Post
Right now all my .223 rounds are for a bolt action. I just recently bought a Savage precision carbine.
Those are supposed to be real tack drivers, you can't beat a savage for Accuracy out of the box for the Buck spent !!
I shoot Bolts too, my son has a Mini-14, so I load up a few bags for him.
I have a Smith n Wesson 1500 (HOWA) heavey barrel bolt. It shoots really good, problem is it seems like there just isnt enough time to go shootin. And when I go I can't find anything to shoot at besides beer cans and paper.
I been trying for years to roll a coyote or a jack rabbit....LOL
I have 4 H&R Handi-Rifles , with changeble barrels. I bought one for each of the grandkids to have later.. Those guns shoot pretty good, I have calibers from 22 hornet to 45-70 and 450 Marlin.... Fun to load for !!...."BH"
03-30-2012 05:00 PM
KBR97 Right now all my .223 rounds are for a bolt action. I just recently bought a Savage precision carbine.
03-30-2012 04:56 PM
Baby Huey
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Originally Posted by KBR97 View Post
I just started. I drank a bunch of "Lee" kool aid and dove head first. I bought the anniversary kit from Lee. Pretty good deal. I have about 120 rounds sized, trimmed, primered. I just need to get a decent scale, a trickler, and do some more powder research.
Shooting .223 btw.


Hey Cavediverjc, did you get a new TJ?
Lee is really good quality stuff, I have lots of Lee dies and products, never had trouble with any of em.
I like to use BALL Powder in my .223 loads, simply because it loads easily and doesn't seem to "bridge" in the funnels. But thats just me...
I use H-335, H-BLC-2, Win 748.... Reloader 7,.
Gather as much Powder data as you can, the internet is full of it as well as free Powder flyers from the manufactures avail where powder is sold and gun shops.. Start low at the suggested starting points and go up. I have found that most accuracy in some of the Auto Loaders comes at the lower loads.
If you are shooting an AR or other auto loader, you may need to get a SMALL BASE sizing die. I had problems getting my .308 rounds to reliably cycle in my sons M1A, I bought the Small Base sizer and all works well now.
Hang in there and have fun but be safe !! "BH"
03-29-2012 03:33 PM
KBR97 I just started. I drank a bunch of "Lee" kool aid and dove head first. I bought the anniversary kit from Lee. Pretty good deal. I have about 120 rounds sized, trimmed, primered. I just need to get a decent scale, a trickler, and do some more powder research.
Shooting .223 btw.


Hey Cavediverjc, did you get a new TJ?
03-29-2012 04:25 AM
Baby Huey A little late for this thread ,but I also Hand load, Have for years. I'm also into Bullet Casting, I shoot quite a few of those.
I haven't gone out shooting for a while, damned weather here is either snowing, or raining, Heavy at Times !!
I don't do any Formal target shooting, I love to plink and load huntin ammo. I load for every hand gun and rifle and shotgun that I have. ( not counting Rim Fires of coarse)
I have dies from about all manufactures, including some old antique stuff like Easton, Lacmiller,Bystrom,Herters.....JAX Custom. Lots of Case gages from LE Wilson and Forster.
I have RCBS single stage Rock Chuckers and a JR press, and a Dillon 350B. I just had to have a semi progressive press, I love it, now If I could just afford the bullets to feed it...
Good to see there are others here that "roll their own"..... "BH"
03-21-2012 08:16 PM
Jonny15
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Originally Posted by afd660
Watch out Zombies!!! LOL...
Hahaha
03-21-2012 08:10 PM
afd660
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Originally Posted by Jonny15 View Post
Haha thats the ultimate goal

Im actually just using a cheap Lee hand press and a set of Lee dies. The set i have came with both the full length sizing die and the collet neck sizing die. That group was shot using the full length resizing die.

Yeah I'm using a Lee also, but I got a progressive turrent press with a full length sizing die, not sure if neck sizing or full length will provide better accuracy though, maybe somebody else will know about full length or neck sizing. But I'd say you're on the right track. Watch out Zombies!!! LOL...
03-21-2012 08:04 PM
Jonny15
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Originally Posted by afd660
Holy crap man thats a tight group. You trying to get all the rounds to go through the same hole??? LOL... Alot of "HOG's" use 168's or 175's for better ballistics at longer ranges. What kind of press and dies are you using?
Haha thats the ultimate goal

Im actually just using a cheap Lee hand press and a set of Lee dies. The set i have came with both the full length sizing die and the collet neck sizing die. That group was shot using the full length resizing die.
03-21-2012 07:22 PM
afd660 Holy crap man thats a tight group. You trying to get all the rounds to go through the same hole??? LOL... Alot of "HOG's" use 168's or 175's for better ballistics at longer ranges. What kind of press and dies are you using?
03-21-2012 06:44 PM
Jonny15 Heres an example of one of my best groupings in comparison to a dime.

Shot at 100 yards with my savage model 11. This was my second 3 shot group at the range, so shots 4, 5, and 6 from a previously clean and cold bore. The load was 42.5 grains of imr4895, federal cases, cci large rifle primers, and loaded with 150 grain nosler ballistic tips.


Attachment 106967
03-21-2012 04:21 PM
afd660
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Originally Posted by cavediverjc View Post
That rifle is capable of sub-MOA shots out of the box, cold bore-clean bore. Someone needs to brush up on his fundamentals...

You got me...haha.. I really do need to get the fundamentals down though, and more range time with it. I jerk the trigger instead of a smooth pull to the back. Trigger is a little gritty and about a 7lb pull. The rifle is way more capable that I ever will be... lol..

My friend had his B4 designator but I guess the G designator trumps it. Wish he was around to show me the way.

Do you use the 25.4 or 27.778 formula?? or do you convert size into meters??
03-21-2012 04:06 PM
cavediverjc
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Originally Posted by afd660
3 rounds are all touching??? Is it with a cold bore-clean bore, or do you mean after a couple rounds have been fired and you can place 3 pretty much at about the same spot?? I'm about about 1.2MOA with my first 3 shots with a cold bore-clean bore. The first is off a little but the next 2 are just about touching... I'm using a Panther DPMS 24in Target barrel, semi auto .308.
That rifle is capable of sub-MOA shots out of the box, cold bore-clean bore. Someone needs to brush up on his fundamentals...
03-21-2012 03:43 PM
afd660 3 rounds are all touching??? Is it with a cold bore-clean bore, or do you mean after a couple rounds have been fired and you can place 3 pretty much at about the same spot?? I'm about about 1.2MOA with my first 3 shots with a cold bore-clean bore. The first is off a little but the next 2 are just about touching... I'm using a Panther DPMS 24in Target barrel, semi auto .308.
03-21-2012 11:15 AM
Jonny15
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Originally Posted by Kahuner
Jonny;

I too use Varget and H4895 (not I 4895) H 4895 will out-perform the I.

But discussing the load only, you're leaving out the rifle twist. Maybe you just forgot to mention it.

A 150 gr. bullet is a little light for a .308. My 308's (1 rifle 1:10 twist and the other is 1:11.25" twist) shoot an avg. .350" groups (sometimes better if I do my part) and I never use a bullet lighter than a 168, normally 180 both Barnes TSX.

So what twist do you have? With a 308 your groups should be better than just sub-MOA at 100 yds.

Seating depth can make a HUGE difference in group size. And bigger bullets like 308's like to be seated so the ogive of the bullet is just off of the rifling by .010" or so. Rounds seated to that length will NOT cycle thru the action but it really improves accuracy.

I use 42.0 H4895, 180 gr Barnes TSX or 44.0 gr H4895 w/ 168 gr Barnes TSX both seated to 2.800" OAL (which is standard length) Fed Match 210 primers in Lapua cases. Each case has been prep'd flash-hole debur and uniformed in size. Speeds are 168 2665 fps and 180 is 2575 fps.

Making your cases uniform will cut your bullet speed variation down by as much as 75%. Consistent speeds will give you more consistent groups. Uniforming tools can be purchased at Brownell's. Keeping your barrel clean will help too!

Sounds like you've been biten by the same benchrest shooting bug that bit me. When I fist started loading my own; I was more than mildly annoyed when I couldn't 3 bullets in the same hole!! That's what started the whole thing!! 35 years later still tryin'!!

Hope this little bit helps.

Kahuner
1993 Tri-County Benchrest Champion; Hunter Class
Winning group size @ 100 yds.=.283"
Wow great info there thanks!

I just got into this about 6 months ago so I've still got a lot to learn. Good to know that h4895 is better than imr. My rifle is just a regular savage model 11 with a 1:10 twist, laminated thumbhole stock with a nikon monarch 3-9 mounted on top. Its no benchrest rifle by any means, i bought it as a combination hunting and target shooting rifle. Bought it last summer brand new.

I do nowhere near the case prep you talked about. The extent of my case prep is tumbling, sizing, cleaning the primer pocket, measuring OAL and trimming, tumbling again, then loading. For bullet seating depth i just used a factory cartridge as a model, measured, and went off of that. How do i find the optimum bullet seating depth for my rifle?

For cases ive just been using what i accumulated from shooting factory ammo back when i bought it...its a mixed variety of winchester, federal, and remington brass. I know lapua is the way to go, but i just figured i'd perfect the process of reloading before i went with top notch brass.

Whats your feeling on neck sizing vs full length?

I've been really excited about my groups at 100 yards, i know they're nothing incredible yet, but i just started shooting high power rifles off a bench a few years ago so having 3 rounds all touch the same hole at 100 for me is quite an accomplishment compared to where i was just 6 months ago...only problem is i constantly want those groups smaller now haha. Still have a lot of learning to do, but im getting there
03-21-2012 09:49 AM
Kahuner Jonny;

I too use Varget and H4895 (not I 4895) H 4895 will out-perform the I.

But discussing the load only, you're leaving out the rifle twist. Maybe you just forgot to mention it.

A 150 gr. bullet is a little light for a .308. My 308's (1 rifle 1:10 twist and the other is 1:11.25" twist) shoot an avg. .350" groups (sometimes better if I do my part) and I never use a bullet lighter than a 168, normally 180 both Barnes TSX.

So what twist do you have? With a 308 your groups should be better than just sub-MOA at 100 yds.

Seating depth can make a HUGE difference in group size. And bigger bullets like 308's like to be seated so the ogive of the bullet is just off of the rifling by .010" or so. Rounds seated to that length will NOT cycle thru the action but it really improves accuracy.

I use 42.0 H4895, 180 gr Barnes TSX or 44.0 gr H4895 w/ 168 gr Barnes TSX both seated to 2.800" OAL (which is standard length) Fed Match 210 primers in Lapua cases. Each case has been prep'd flash-hole debur and uniformed in size. Speeds are 168 2665 fps and 180 is 2575 fps.

Making your cases uniform will cut your bullet speed variation down by as much as 75%. Consistent speeds will give you more consistent groups. Uniforming tools can be purchased at Brownell's. Keeping your barrel clean will help too!

Sounds like you've been biten by the same benchrest shooting bug that bit me. When I fist started loading my own; I was more than mildly annoyed when I couldn't 3 bullets in the same hole!! That's what started the whole thing!! 35 years later still tryin'!!

Hope this little bit helps.

Kahuner
1993 Tri-County Benchrest Champion; Hunter Class
Winning group size @ 100 yds.=.283"
03-21-2012 08:56 AM
Jonny15 Thanks for the info guys! I'll have to try the Varget when i run out of 4895 which should be soon.

Do you guys full length resize or neck size? I've tried both and while you're supposed to get better results just neck sizing, I've been finding full length sizing is actually more accurate for my rifle.
03-21-2012 01:20 AM
afd660 I use 168gr Hornady BTHP's... CCI primers.. 43gr IMR 4895...Have to go back and look at the COAL numbers though...
03-21-2012 12:05 AM
rivershark2005
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Originally Posted by Jonny15 View Post
Anyone have a good load load worked up for the 308 that i can try out?
Sierra Matchking 168gr hollow point boat tail, 44gr. Varget, match primer, seated at 3.800 on the ogive. It's the Federal Match round. Sells for over $25/box (last time I bought, 5 years ago, probably more now). These were the best ones out of my Savage when I had it.
03-20-2012 08:52 PM
Jonny15 I just got into it because i shoot my 308 a ton and i can reload premium ammo taylor made for my rifle for less than the cost of inaccurate economy factory ammo.

Its a great feeling shooting sub moa groups with ammo that you reloaded yourself.

Right now my most accurate load is 150 grain nosler ballistic tips loaded with 42.5 grains of IMR 4895 powder using CCI large rifle primers. I just bought some 155 grain sierra match kings to try out to see if i get even better results.

Anyone have a good load load worked up for the 308 that i can try out?

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