|03-23-2012 09:04 PM|
first thing I'd suggest is getting the windshield moldings so you have a reference point for the front.
If you can get everything lined up, awesome. Tack the windshield bar to the B-pillar, with the door surround in place.
Now, look at the floor mount and see where/how/if you need to drill new holes in the plate, or if you can adjust the height with washers, or whatever.
In fact, I'd do all that with the windshield folded down.
I'd start with flat plate to make the bracket. Once you have the bracket drilled, and have the bolt set, all you need to do is bend it into an L angle shape. Do this with a BFH and a bench vice, or better yet, mark the area you want to hinge the plate, heat up the area with an oxy-acet torch, bend it and then let it cool. See if it fits. Repeat as necessary on both sides.
Once you're happy with how the bracket fits, tack it in place - while it's attached to the windshield.
Now drop the windshield again and see if you're happy with the location of everything...door surrounds, soft top fitment, everything.
If you are, then weld it all together. You need to pay attention to how you weld it so the cage & parts don't warp. Heat will warp stuff. A professional welder will know how to weld so that everything ends up square.
|03-23-2012 05:40 PM|
Ok I appreciate the help and patience so far. If I semi understand this I need to cut here
Then put a bracket here and in the back to weld the horizontal tube to and bolt to windshield. With the surrounds in place.
Am I close? and if so what do I do about the two center bars and the one that goes parallel to the windshield frame, Cut off and re weld or leave alone?
|03-23-2012 12:44 PM|
|ShawnT||Looks like and effed up cage.|
|03-22-2012 11:49 PM|
First off, do you know what the A-pillar, B-pillar and C-pillar's are? Do you know what the windshield bars are? The windshield bars go from A-pillar to B-pillar...
On my cage, I used the stock mounts as templates, and sleeved the 1.75" DOM over them.
^^The paint was ground off, and once positioned correctly, the whole thing was welded to the B-pillar.
You can see the factory upper windshield mounts, and the windshield door molding here:
Once everything was finished, I installed the door surrounds, marked the area, and drilled the holes required. I ended up widening/oblonging them with a dremel, similar to the stock holes.
With door surrounds installed:
You can see the aftermarket safari top actually uses the door surrounds for mounting as well.
|03-22-2012 09:41 PM|
|Boston_Bruins30||Also could you show me a pic of your cage so i can see what it looks like? Im not exactly sure where you think i should cut it.|
|03-22-2012 09:38 PM|
|Boston_Bruins30||What do the windshield frame attachment and windshield molding look like? And my friend who helped me with my lift is a mechanic and certified welder. It looks like it might be easier to cut and re-weld the frame.|
|03-22-2012 09:33 PM|
|Boston_Bruins30||Yeah so you think if i just trimmed the C in the back so the surround could come into the roll bar more and used a pipe cut in half to create a new c and somehow mount it in the proper location? It shouldnt change the height of the surround. Only problem would be the fact that the tube is lower and the soft top wont hit it like it would the stock tube.|
|03-22-2012 09:32 PM|
|GoldenSahara00||I think we now know why he only had a hardtop|
|03-22-2012 09:30 PM|
you also have no windshield molding. the door surround needs to fit into that windshield molding.
and yup, the tubing was welded in the wrong place. get the windshield molding, cut the windshield bar loose from the B-pillar, bend it up so the door surround fits, weld it back on. You obviously want this done by a certified welder...since you're dealing with your life. You shouldn't need to remove the whole thing or the dash.
it also looks like you have no windshield frame attachment to the cage...which you also need...since that sets the fitting distance for both the hard top and soft top. fab up some clips welded to the cage to make that work, utilizing the stock bolt on attachment points on the windshield frame.
|03-22-2012 09:29 PM|
|GoldenSahara00||The front actually looks okay but it appears the back was welding too low.|
|03-22-2012 09:02 PM|
|03-22-2012 09:01 PM|
front actually lines up kinda close
|03-22-2012 08:44 PM|
|Boston_Bruins30||Ok Ill try now but its probably too dark right now. If not ill take some better pictures tomorrow.|
|03-22-2012 08:41 PM|
Both the door surrounds and windshield are positioned specifically to keep the soft top properly tightened over the top frame.
Your picture doesn't show us how far off it is...get some better pictures.
|03-22-2012 08:39 PM|
|03-22-2012 08:39 PM|
|Boston_Bruins30||I cant just cut it out because it is one tube coming from the floor up through the dash bending and going into the back half of the bar|
|03-22-2012 08:36 PM|
|Boston_Bruins30||no extra on the back half that would effect it. And the bottom of the C hits the bar. I might have to trim it down and use some scrap metal to remake it lower or something idk. I dont want to cut up brand new ones. I might try to find an old one cheap to cut lol|
|03-22-2012 08:36 PM|
|03-22-2012 08:35 PM|
Hate to tell you this, but it looks like somebody welded the windshield bars in the wrong place. Assuming the bottom alignment pin is set in place correctly on the door frame, and it's still that high compared to the windshield bar...you need to have the offending sections cut off and rewelded in the correct position. Both the door surrounds and windshield are positioned specifically to keep the soft top properly tightened over the top frame.
FWIW, I have custom cage additions welded in my Jeep, including replacement windshield bars. I took extensive measurements with the hard top on, and specifically mocked up the cage with the door surrounds installed to ensure the hard top and soft top would both fit. It looks like the person doing your cage didn't think ahead.
|03-22-2012 08:19 PM|
|Benderff||You will need to make both of the C parts on the surrounds fit the cage. Then you will need to drill holes so the knob bolts will go through the cage. That is how the surrounds attach. Do you have any extra cage work on the back half? If so a frameless top might not fit.|
|03-22-2012 08:14 PM|
|GoldenSahara00||You can't just pop it in there? Haha. Dang. If you can, you could try and drill new holes.|
|03-22-2012 08:13 PM|
custom cage+soft top=??
Hey so my jeep has a full cage on it and came with a hard top. I was going to buy framless top from crown today and decided to check the fit of the door surrounds someone gave me. Turns out the cage hits the spot on the surround that has the threaded rod to tighten or something. Is there a different style surround I could use or should i just try trimming the part thats hitting off?