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05-10-2012 09:12 AM
3TimeOwner With the LOD midwidth and a Warn winch (steel cable) I had a 1" sag on stock Rubicon suspension. Added the 1" spacer from Tereflex and back to standard rake. taking my own advice and going to be running it through 1 set of tires prior to deciding "if" I am going to lift it and if so - how much. Don't notice any difference in driving with the LOD midwidth and LOD sliders. highly recommend them- tough as nails
05-09-2012 09:04 AM
MTH
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Originally Posted by empkrog View Post
I'm wondering if I changed anyone's mind or do you still think I need a lift or spacer first, I was told by my dealer those would void my warranty which isn't an option.
This is absolutely false. Your dealer is either a liar or an idiot.

Your Chrysler warranty won't cover any changes you make, nor will it cover any damage caused by the changes you make. In other words, warranty claims can only be denied if the defect is found in a non-factory part (e.g., TeraFlex lift springs, Black Rock wheels) or is caused by a non-factory part (e.g., TeraFlex lift went too high and damaged factory drive shaft, or Black Rock wheels cracked in half and damaged the factory rotors).

Otherwise, your factory warranty remains intact.
05-09-2012 08:54 AM
phottomatt I don't think you "need" a lift, Like a lot of guys on here if you don't want a lift buy some stiffer springs (which will actually give you a lift unless you have the stiff springs already) off ebay to help compensate for the added weight. I went with this bumper and I believe it is the lightest bumper/ winch plate combo out there, not much heavier than stock.
05-09-2012 08:38 AM
jpstoner She's a beauty! Mine is quite similar to yours and I just picked her up this past weekend. I was looking at the LoD bumpers too but I'm having some serious second thoughts after reading all this. *not trying to hijack your thread here.
Mine came with the factory steps and I've heard a lot of people say to ditch them and upgrade to ACE rock sliders. ACE JK Rock Sliders (2 Door)
04-23-2012 08:11 PM
empkrog I thought I had this all figured out then I talked to a guy that has the LOD bumper on his stock rubicon.

He told me that once you add the westin plate on a stock bumper the mid LOD bumper would only be around 25 pounds more.

LOD front mid bumper 72 lbs
Rock Rails 30 lbs each
Rear bumper 88 lbs
Vr 8000 winch 62 lbs synthetic line

Previous weight of front bumper / tow hooks and rear bumper. 27 lbs and 15 lbs

So my total added weight would be 240 lbs

When I ordered my jeep I got the 32" tire package with performance off road suspension. I thought it was the same as the Rubicon suspension but maybe not.

If it is the same suspension the Rubicon weighs 253 pounds more than a sport. Which means for the same suspension I would still come in 13 LBS lighter than a stock Rubicon or is there a flaw in my logic.

I also asked him if the added weight would get me stuck in mud more. He said the Jeep weighs around 4000 lbs an extra 200 lbs usually won't matter.

I'm wondering if I changed anyone's mind or do you still think I need a lift or spacer first, I was told by my dealer those would void my warranty which isn't an option.

Here is a picture, just to show the tires and stock lift on it.

04-03-2012 11:08 PM
empkrog That looks pretty good. Think I'll go that route with a warn vr8000 winch and snatch block.

Not sure about the rails or skid plates yet. I'll have to read more posts maybe.
04-02-2012 08:09 AM
tjguidry On my PC it kept showing a picture on another jeep... go figure.
04-02-2012 08:04 AM
tjguidry Sorry for the multiple posts!
04-02-2012 08:03 AM
tjguidry Last Time to try
04-02-2012 07:56 AM
Peepers I'm pretty sure you cant hot link an image from your desktop... you have to load it to an image hosting site first.
04-02-2012 07:56 AM
tjguidry Doh!
04-02-2012 07:53 AM
tjguidry [IMG]file:///C:/Users/tguidry/Desktop/2012-04-02%2007.43.31.jpg[/IMG]



Don't know why it keeps posting the picture of the other jeep
04-02-2012 07:49 AM
tjguidry Wrong picture, not sure how that one got in there.

Attachment 110320
04-02-2012 07:46 AM
tjguidry Attachment 110319

Until I decide on a winch here is how I mounted my lights
04-02-2012 07:42 AM
tjguidry
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Originally Posted by mckey73 View Post
Here is the westin install video, and they have a light bar. But I don't see any mounting tabs on the light bar...

Westin Winch Tray for Jeep - YouTube
you are correct, there are no tabs on the "bull" bar, there are a couple of holes on the winch tray to mount lights or you can order the clamps to mount the lights to the bull bar.
04-02-2012 12:44 AM
mckey73 Here is the westin install video, and they have a light bar. But I don't see any mounting tabs on the light bar...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AUGu...yer_detailpage
04-01-2012 11:56 PM
3TimeOwner Agree with KBWolf, run stock for a while and see what you NEED to do. Yes, you may get caught a couple a times the 1st couple a outings, but... well, that is what winches and hilifts are for. As for the LOD products, the rock sliders are outstanding, very close profile with rubi type rails and 4 point attachments. drilling and tapping required, but you can lift the jeep with them. as for the front or rear bumper - I believe , and it is my opinion only, you only need an new bumper of you are going to add a winch. If you go with the LOD, you should add the 1" spacer on your front springs, or the sag will get you. as for back bumper - why? if you are not adding big off road tires - then you won't need it.
04-01-2012 11:42 PM
kbwwolf
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Originally Posted by empkrog View Post
Glad I posted here before spending 4K

I'll look into that stock bumper winch mount. I will make the bumper stubby so the corners don't get ruined, how do you make your bumper stubby? Is there a kit?

Also is there a way to put a light bar on a stock bumper?
For making the front bumper a stubby, you just order some end caps from one of the companies that make em, cut your bumper ends according to the directions, and install. Easy, and not very much $$.

Stubby bumper thread:

Stubby Front Bumper Installed.

Links to stubby kits:

Vertically Driven Products 31550 - VDP Stubby End Cap Kit for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK with OE Bumper - Quadratec

These are the only metal ones I know of: Jeep Accessories - JK Bumper Caps

You can put a light bar on the stock bumper, too, but I'm not sure if they're compatible with a winch. You can also mount lights to the top of a winch, though. Or mount driving lights (not fogs, so you don't get too much hood glare) on windshield mounts. Or both. WARN even makes wireless lights. Configurations are endless...

Windshield Mounted, or Factory Bumper Bar Mount???

windshield lights

wrangler 2012 MBRP Help
04-01-2012 11:26 PM
empkrog Glad I posted here before spending 4K

I'll look into that stock bumper winch mount. I will make the bumper stubby so the corners don't get ruined, how do you make your bumper stubby? Is there a kit?

Also is there a way to put a light bar on a stock bumper?
04-01-2012 08:39 AM
kbwwolf
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Originally Posted by kbwwolf View Post
Use your Jeep for awhile stock. Learn what it'll do, which is more than almost anything else that goes off road. Plus you can take the top and doors off.

I see nothing on your "needs" list that I think you'll actually need, except perhaps a winch. You can install a winch on the stock bumper. At most, I'd stubby the bumper (JMO...I like the look better than the stock bumper, which will get dinged up on the wings, as is), add a winch plate and a good WARN winch with synthetic line.
Add some good rock sliders or rails to that, cuz of the logs and stumps you mentioned. Don't know about the LoD ones, myself, but ACE rock rails are much-loved here, and will hold up well.
04-01-2012 08:28 AM
kbwwolf
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Originally Posted by empkrog View Post
Hello I'm new to the forum and just ordered a 2012 two door Jeep wrangler Sport S, Black.


Options.
32" Tire wheel group (LT255/75R17 BSW Off Road)
Performance suspension
3.73 Axle Ratio
3 Piece hard top
6 Speed manual tran
Rear anti-spin diff

Congrats on the new Jeep, and on being strong enough to handle black.

Quote:
Originally Posted by empkrog View Post
The main use for my jeep is 60% highway driven, 20% city driven and 20% off road.

The off road terrain will be cut lines so it will be mud, muskeg, stumps, trees, steep and sometimes frozen berms.


One thing I'm scared of is I'm making my rig so heavy protecting it from logs, stumps and berms that it will just sink in the mud and muskeg.
Use your Jeep for awhile stock. Learn what it'll do, which is more than almost anything else that goes off road. Plus you can take the top and doors off.

I see nothing on your "needs" list that I think you'll actually need, except perhaps a winch. You can install a winch on the stock bumper. At most, I'd stubby the bumper (JMO...I like the look better than the stock bumper, which will get dinged up on the wings, as is), add a winch plate and a good WARN winch with synthetic line.
03-31-2012 11:11 PM
empkrog Thanks for the info, so the fact that I have performance suspension really doesn't do much for me?


This is what it says for a description


Feature: Off-road suspension
Heavy-duty springs, shock absorbers and related suspension components are designed to increase vehicle ground clearance and stability while driving over rough terrain.
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Feature: Heavy-duty front and rear shocks absorbers
A shock absorber, also known as a damper, is a cylindrical device that prevents a vehicle's springs from continually bouncing up and down. Energy caused by axle motion is converted into heat, dissipating the energy through hydraulic fluid before it reaches the vehicle body. Shock absorbers automatically adapt themselves to the severity of the road shock. Heavy-duty shock absorbers are upgraded to handle greater loads than normal driving. They may be specified with certain options or option packages.


I honestly wasn't looking at adding a lift or bigger tires I thought this option pack was good enough.


I might just run with stock bumpers. I'm pretty sure adding new bumpers wouldn't mess with my warranty but if I start changing out the suspension and doing all this other stuff I can see me running into problems. Plus it would be allot more money.
03-31-2012 12:21 AM
RUBINOT Welcome aboard and congrats on the new JK. Sounds like yoy have a great plan. I agree, becareful of the bumper weight with stock suspension.
03-31-2012 12:18 AM
pasteris71 Start out with the stubby bumper mid. Looks good and a hell of a lot cheaper than new bumper.
03-31-2012 12:14 AM
Casotakar1229 congrats on the new jk and welcome to wf!

have fun with it, let the mods begin and never end.
03-30-2012 10:56 PM
Disraeli That sounds like it's gonna be a righteous Jeep!

I'm a newb myself, but I don't know if you can hang that much hardware without some compensation in the lift department.
03-30-2012 10:56 PM
mckey73 If your not planning on lifting it I'd rethink the bumpers, they add a ton of weight. They will look really cool but will sag your stock suspension. If your not going to get a rear bumper to hang a bigger tire on, I would advise against it. The sliders and skid plate are money well spent. Westin makes a really cool kit for the stock front bumper to mount a winch, it also removes the factory hooks & replaces them with more stout D-rings. Just adding the winch alone is going to drop the front a bit.
03-30-2012 10:55 PM
ESP Getting 3.73s + a manual tranny to start with will show it's value to you over and over. Most re gear and go with 4.88s but that's when you start to move into 33" or 35"+ territory. My advice as many on the forum will condone is not to waste a dime when it comes to getting any kind of stock tire/wheel set up. Get your jeep with all the internals you want and the cheapest tire/wheel set (aka 225/75/16) you can from the dealer. Immediately sell those and upgrade to a larger tire and smaller wheel set. Get out and wheel and have fun.
03-30-2012 10:47 PM
empkrog
New Jeep owner, wondering if these acessories are good.

Hello I'm new to the forum and just ordered a 2012 two door Jeep wrangler Sport S, Black.


Options.
32" Tire wheel group (LT255/75R17 BSW Off Road)
Performance suspension
3.73 Axle Ratio
3 Piece hard top
6 Speed manual tran
Rear anti-spin diff


The main use for my jeep is 60% highway driven, 20% city driven and 20% off road.

The off road terrain will be cut lines so it will be mud, muskeg, stumps, trees, steep and sometimes frozen berms.


One thing I'm scared of is I'm making my rig so heavy protecting it from logs, stumps and berms that it will just sink in the mud and muskeg.


Below are acessories I was looking at


LoD Jeep Mid-Width Front Bumper (SSM1008)
LoD Jeep JK Rear Shorty Bumper (STC1002)
LoD Jeep JK Wrangler Signature Rock Sliders (SRS1002)
LoD Jeep Signature series mid-width front bumper skid plat (SSM1010)
Warn VR8000 Winch (86245)


Let me know what you think, I'd like opinions from people that know about Jeeps before I spend 4K. I know there is better stuff out there but it costs more, will what I have listed be good for my intended purpose?

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