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04-04-2012 08:41 AM
Ibuildembig
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Originally Posted by screech1 View Post
really?? are there any threads on here of conversions?
I haven't seen any but there are lots over on pirate

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Originally Posted by ballistx View Post
Had it on 2 different FSJ vehicles. Both cases would start at 55 mph and you better get it down fast. Replaced the steering stabilizer and totally cured the problem. Stabilizer was positively bad, no resitance at all.

They both had over 100,000 miles so there could have been some play in the suspension but it was solid in the steering otherwise.

I have met other FSJ's in that time period that I would see start to wobble the same way and see them brake and then pick up again.
Kev had that problem in his CJ and it was the sector shaft. I havent messed with too many FSJ's so I cant say.
04-04-2012 05:35 AM
ballistx
J10 death wobble

Had it on 2 different FSJ vehicles. Both cases would start at 55 mph and you better get it down fast. Replaced the steering stabilizer and totally cured the problem. Stabilizer was positively bad, no resitance at all.

They both had over 100,000 miles so there could have been some play in the suspension but it was solid in the steering otherwise.

I have met other FSJ's in that time period that I would see start to wobble the same way and see them brake and then pick up again.
04-03-2012 11:00 PM
screech1
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Originally Posted by Ibuildembig View Post
Coils are easy too
really?? are there any threads on here of conversions?
04-03-2012 10:54 AM
Ibuildembig That sucks....are you sure thats all it is? I run alot of my stuff without a steering stabilizer. In every case I have seen, they just mask the problem enough were its tollerable.
04-03-2012 10:48 AM
ballistx
74 j10

Try a 74 J10 with bad steering dampener. Hits 55 and it will take the steering wheel out of your hand. Ask me how I know that????
04-03-2012 08:40 AM
Ibuildembig Interesting I've never driven a leaf sprung vehicle that has had DW.
04-02-2012 11:44 PM
Norcal_Chris alot to read here, so I just kinda skimmed.


My strong suggestion is to figure your axle placement, do some rough measurements and call up alcan spring. They can build you a set of springs for your specific wants and needs and make it so you do not need to compromise. With whatever yj or whatever other springs you have to deal with whatever center pin location that may not be ideal for approach or departure angles. Your losing out on that by ditching leafs. Keep it low. Keep your mounts close to frame and you will be set up.

Btw leafs are NOT a cure all for death wobble. I know plenty of people with wobble on leafs. It's all about lateral movement , toe, caster, and sloppy bushings etc. Just know that although leafs are predictable and easy, you lose some basic tbings that links give. I would factor in an antiwrap bar for the rear because leafs love to wrap.

I have a good amount of experience with leafs, on full size trucks and they so have their placement. But boy did I get sick of bashing them into rocks.
04-02-2012 08:55 PM
Moroney167 Please do I would love one outside of the salt life. An shipping isn't the back breaker. Worth in long run. Let me know if you see anything pretty. I'm gonna see if this other guy has a solid rig an be nice to get paid an get a Yj an not another vehicle in driveway haha.

Thanks for the help
04-02-2012 08:53 PM
Ibuildembig If you want one I can find you one and ship it up there....last one I sent to chitown cost 450.00
04-02-2012 08:51 PM
Moroney167
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Originally Posted by Ibuildembig
The only thing I am remotely worried about is if the springs are going to set it level once its done....basically, are you going to be able to get them proportionate to each other versus the ground. I don't know enough about TJ frames to say one set of brackets will be higher or lower than a YJ causing rake or sag.

Other than that I say let her rip; you know I am the king of off the beaten path hehe
Haha. Well yea that is one thing I did think about. Is if the frame sits level with mounts to make springs sit proper for it to cycle through suspension. I'm gonna do a ton of measuring,,,,, hoping this one email I'm getting from a local who likes my jeep has what seems to be a rare 90k original mile YJ 91 he may trade and car loan for the rest. Again love a YJ but never seem to find one that isn't like a pos inside falling apart or torn up. Could take the others advise and with 10k or so in cash get crazy with some serious cleaning and fabbing.
04-02-2012 08:39 PM
Ibuildembig The only thing I am remotely worried about is if the springs are going to set it level once its done....basically, are you going to be able to get them proportionate to each other versus the ground. I don't know enough about TJ frames to say one set of brackets will be higher or lower than a YJ causing rake or sag.

Other than that I say let her rip; you know I am the king of off the beaten path hehe
04-02-2012 07:58 PM
Moroney167
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Originally Posted by Ibuildembig
I think I would cut the factory junk off and weld my own on too. I can get you the exact measurments off a YJ frame if needed. How big are you gonna go? I wouldn't worry about dropping the case just yet until you get the axles in it and see what its going to look like. You can always do what I said and put a bigger joint that will allow for more travel and strength.....wonder if they make a 1410 yoke for that case?
Yea that sounds like what I am gonna do if you see the brackets and shackle mounts I posted earlier it can't be much more cut and paste. As for measurements I'll be doing in garage with one SOA rig I asked about before, and another bone stock so I figured all the numbers I needed. As forheight I figured short stock length shackles. 2.5" OME front and rear leaf springs for a YJ. SOA that's it. No more needed and just want to run 35's so that should do it fine. Assuming numbers match up as an SOA would effect a Yj not sure if it will add or lack an inch on a TJ. I would avoid case drop if I can for sure. I'll see if I can get that adaptor for the rubi case. Worse case I am not at all against the loss from a case drop to know no vibrations and u joints blowin out.

Overall what's your input on this setup cause I'm pretty pumped to have this rig
04-02-2012 07:52 PM
Ibuildembig I think I would cut the factory junk off and weld my own on too. I can get you the exact measurments off a YJ frame if needed. How big are you gonna go? I wouldn't worry about dropping the case just yet until you get the axles in it and see what its going to look like. You can always do what I said and put a bigger joint that will allow for more travel and strength.....wonder if they make a 1410 yoke for that case?
04-02-2012 07:49 PM
Moroney167
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Originally Posted by Ibuildembig
I measured the 02 I have out here and I measured my GE frame along with a couple others I have as well and it looks like the TJ control arm bracket is 2 inches further forward of the YJ leaf spring bracket. I couldn't get a good ID measurement on it because of the control arm being in the way. The good news is that it will move your front end out 2 inches, but the bad news is your going to have to stretch the front of the frame that extra 2 in the front to make it where the spring will actually fit. Now, that's with a YJ spring, if you use something longer, thats a wholenother can o worms. I wouldn't stretch it out if you plan on driving it alot on the road simply because you do have to mess with a fuel cell of some sort and I dont like any sort of fuel inside the passenger compartment with me unless its a trail only rig.

edit, I did forget to measure the length of the brackets down from the frame to see if there was any difference.
Yea I figured maybe to far forward from the numbers I had and basing off that frame bracket for control arm. So if I just figured if I grind off that control arm bracket, and mount my own back the few inches I need that would work right. So basically make center pin right where the axle is now an weld brackets to frame. Not to say as far forward as I can, or as a Yj is but perhaps that is where it would line up. Weld fron eye similar to a yj on front most of frame and then weld in the rear where I need.

Sacrificing a tad bit of ground clearance but if I do a 1" case drop it wouldn't be much more or equal to that so why not. make sense at all?
04-02-2012 07:42 PM
Ibuildembig I measured the 02 I have out here and I measured my GE frame along with a couple others I have as well and it looks like the TJ control arm bracket is 2 inches further forward of the YJ leaf spring bracket. I couldn't get a good ID measurement on it because of the control arm being in the way. The good news is that it will move your front end out 2 inches, but the bad news is your going to have to stretch the front of the frame that extra 2 in the front to make it where the spring will actually fit. Now, that's with a YJ spring, if you use something longer, thats a wholenother can o worms. I wouldn't stretch it out if you plan on driving it alot on the road simply because you do have to mess with a fuel cell of some sort and I dont like any sort of fuel inside the passenger compartment with me unless its a trail only rig.

edit, I did forget to measure the length of the brackets down from the frame to see if there was any difference.
04-02-2012 07:40 PM
Moroney167
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Originally Posted by IndyJeepMan
Well the BTF is a lo pro crossmember that takes care of your bumper, its got shackle mounts on it, then you run your choice shackles and springs, but they claim with XJ's they gain like 6" of stretch, youll need corners to match the wheel, and deal with the gas tank though.
Appreciate the info. If I do this I am not to interested in stretching wheel base. Happy with how it would be and with the brackets I have found that I can weld in that seems simple enough over moving steering box all that.
04-02-2012 07:36 PM
IndyJeepMan Well the BTF is a lo pro crossmember that takes care of your bumper, its got shackle mounts on it, then you run your choice shackles and springs, but they claim with XJ's they gain like 6" of stretch, youll need corners to match the wheel, and deal with the gas tank though.
04-02-2012 05:35 PM
Moroney167
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Originally Posted by Ibuildembig
I just got home so I will measure the frame stuff in a little bit. You might want to price the springs and stuff from polyperformance.com as they were cheaper than anyone when I bought mine. Also I wouldn't waste my money on the currie steering stuff when you can build your own for 1/3 the cash or less.
I appreciate the advise that can be done yes for cheaper. Not worried about those things right now. Curious what you say for measurements I did some myself on a buddies quick to get an idea. And if I can use the factory lower control arm mount on the TJ or making my own will be better to align it all.

Email or pm me what your thinking or come up with. All your advise is again very appreciated.

Moroney167@yahoo.com is my email
04-02-2012 05:21 PM
Ibuildembig I just got home so I will measure the frame stuff in a little bit. You might want to price the springs and stuff from polyperformance.com as they were cheaper than anyone when I bought mine. Also I wouldn't waste my money on the currie steering stuff when you can build your own for 1/3 the cash or less.
04-02-2012 04:21 PM
Moroney167
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Originally Posted by 2xs
I understand you are set in your ways, Good luck to you.
Im not going to laugh or cry, however I will recommend the builders section, You might find some good ideas there as well.
Sorry I got way off topic. I'm shot today

Had it up but everyone keeps inputting in this section. Hopefully I can pick ibuildembig soon and see what he suggests. I pretty confident on it and install specially with these brackets and hangers.
04-02-2012 04:07 PM
2xs I understand you are set in your ways, Good luck to you.
Im not going to laugh or cry, however I will recommend the builders section, You might find some good ideas there as well.
04-02-2012 04:02 PM
Moroney167 And as for th emoney end of things.... I see it like this. I have my life, my girl dogs and a house. I work my ass off, I enjoy a cold beer and a glass of whiskey. I don't do drugs, I don't blow my money gambling, I don't hold back.... For the money I can build it for I rather it over a crazy rubicon build or a Crap wrecked jeep. I went down that road so many times trying to "save money" and end up screwing myself. If I wanna blow money I'll pick up a fun crack addiction.... For now this is still way cheaper than me playing with my Powerstroke diesels trucks. They are my old faithful daily driver this is my toy to play with. And I have an urge to be a stand out odd ball idiot so when I park my jeep next to someone else's, we're nothing alike!

No argument don't take me the wrong way I'm not blowing up at you just explaining this so I don't have to hear it over and over from people. I won't tell you what color to paint your house or what your girl wants to eat for dinner. There is an a$$ for ever seat :P
04-02-2012 03:57 PM
Moroney167
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Originally Posted by 2xs
So instead of ruining a perfectly good Rubicon with a great resale value, why not sell it and buy a YJ for 1/5 the money, buy the fancy axles and springs, and have some money left over?
You can even find a wrecked TJ and swap all teh creature comforts over, like air bags and comfy seats and STILL come out ahead....
Once again, I am very happy with the TJ body, interior, AIRBAGS, and being to a pile. I have considered a ton of YJ's again but why find one either stock an rotting out, or even finding a perfect like new one dsomewhere out west not salted up or abused pay to have it shipped and pay top dollar for it. On top of that still have a really out dated jeep interior and out. Then have to start searching down axles I want that will need rebuilding, carriers, lockers, brakes, and of course be rusted and again not near my town. So shipping again for some junk. After that spend another hand full of time trying to make a Yj back to clean and solid no rust as my TJ is...... It's my rubicon whether I want to drive it stock, or burn the pos to the ground it's what I want to build and do with my time and in the end say that is my jeep. Might not flex 5ft an keep 3 tires on ground, might not have the latest long arm out there, but it won't get death wobble, it won't kill me if I get a bad bushing, Johnny joint, or whatever NY winter salt will throw at me while I own it and deal with 3000 plus for a decent lift that no matter what will require Maintenon. If I'm working on something I wanna know it the most and know its for the better, not just to keep chasing around alignment shops that are not familiar with jeep alignments and 3 link arms and all this.... To me I like the simplicity and strength of a YJ leaf spring setup but the solid clean and very available TJ body, seats, all it is stock. And with a rubicon everything is perfectly integrated into the jeep..... Even stock as it sits I get death wobble which makes me just laugh the hardest when it has nothing done to it. Got new tires rebalanced and it went down almost gone but feel it wants to.... On my old Yj unbalanced tires just made it vibrate not visioucly wanna throw me in the woods and if my girlfriend is driving it or someone borrows it I would have to say ok be careful over railroad tracks or don't hit a bump at 50+. Have fun.....


Again my jeep, my plans, my build. If it makes someone cry inside to tear apart a good condition rubicon than I suggest look away cause I love watching ya freak out after I start cutting factory parts off haha.... I have a welder, plasma cutter, and a whole bunch of ideas worse thing I do it weld it back stock right? Not saying your arguing with me but I know some TJ guys an gals r going to get up my a$$ like most other people got when they posted this idea. For every top notch bolt on part and my fabrication and Time which I enjoy doing on my spare time I'll have one solid capable jeep for all I do.
04-02-2012 03:44 PM
2xs So instead of ruining a perfectly good Rubicon with a great resale value, why not sell it and buy a YJ for 1/5 the money, buy the fancy axles and springs, and have some money left over?
You can even find a wrecked TJ and swap all teh creature comforts over, like air bags and comfy seats and STILL come out ahead....

Im not tryin to bring you down, you have an interesting project, but the money is smarter spent on a different approach..
04-02-2012 02:19 PM
Moroney167 So doing some shopping here is a picture of my shopping cart for all new stuff and being lazy to not even make my own brackets. Least they have everything. Just weld in and bolt up if you ask me haha. Assuming I cut off lower control arm mount tabs and weld in mine here if it had to be relocated to center axle.

Shows shopping cart. A set of front and rear shackle hanger mounts which are nice also the leaf mounts for center of cab.

On quadrajunk website just as a reference I purchased all OME leaf springs, all new bushings, new boom hangers, brake lines, driveshaft, steering from currie, drop pitman arm, everything and I'm at like 1800 bucks. That's nothing compared to a 3000 long arm kit. Still plenty to regear, buy shocks when I know length, and wheels for the 35's.
04-02-2012 12:40 PM
Moroney167
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Originally Posted by Ibuildembig
I dont have a problem with YJ springs, im using OME's on my current build.
Well not there is anything against them but figure they are as close as it would be for a factory setup on this frame. Maybe to same frame but seem to work great on a Yj so why try something diferent. So the OME 2.5" springs you are using I hear a lot of good on them and soft which I lift. D they make a lower spring? I figure than and keep the rest as Los as I can mounting wise and stock shackles and should not be to bad to get all square up so long as front to back is measured perfect for wheel base on both sides, then center pins do the rest on the axle.

Think this is as easy as I am picturing it or gona be more to it. No big deal to grind off factory TJ brackets and mount up my own. For the price I see I would happily buy all new brackets even if I don't use just so when it comes apart I can be sure on it. An can set wheel base with springs and all on axles under jeep and weld the perches in where I need.

As for the shackle end how do you suggest mounting to frame.. Just use a round mount weld to frame do I an just bolt the shackle up into it? I have a few parts junk YJ's anything worth grinding off for spring mounts where shackles go.

Thanks for all help. If you can measure our TJ and Yj stuff I would appreciate it. Won't be around a Yj till later today so I could measure an inspect frame side by side
04-02-2012 12:33 PM
Ibuildembig I dont have a problem with YJ springs, im using OME's on my current build.
04-02-2012 12:32 PM
Moroney167 Would you suggest Yj springs though? Worse case cut off control arm brackets from frame and make a set where needed. Center the axle and make sure both springs are centered with axle on all axis.
04-02-2012 12:25 PM
Ibuildembig
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Originally Posted by screech1 View Post
i would love a coil system on mine...
Coils are easy too
04-02-2012 12:25 PM
Ibuildembig Man I dunno, I will have to call and ask him but I dont think they are in the same spot. I have a tj at home right now I am messing with so I can take some measurments and see how close they are. Actually the springs dont measure 2.5, more like 2.25 but wider at the bushing ends. Im thinking it would be alot easier doing what your planning with the body off it simply because you can see all the tires then and make sure your square.
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