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04-03-2012 07:49 AM
sneck
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Originally Posted by 12JKUR View Post
Saw a video w/the "father of 4 wheeling" and he says you put it in 4wd as soon as you go off road. To many wait, get stuck in 2wd and can't shift into 4wd, at which point ur screwed.

One of 6 of the most common 4 wheel issues encountered.
there is no harm in putting it in 4wd as soon as you leave the pavement. generally speaking, for all the runs I've done, we will meet at the trail head, and I will air down and disco my sway bar at that point. if there is any pavement between the airdown spot and the trail, I leave it in 2wd, and will toss it into 4wd at once we are on the trail. It really doesn't matter though; if you are driving carefully, you can see any obstacle ahead of you and put it into 4wd before hitting it. There is however, no point to swapping in and out of 4wd while offroad anyways, so yes you might as well put it into 4wd as soon as possible. Otherwise you might forget youre in 2wd!

forgot 4wd.wmv - YouTube
04-03-2012 06:14 AM
12JKUR Saw a video w/the "father of 4 wheeling" and he says you put it in 4wd as soon as you go off road. To many wait, get stuck in 2wd and can't shift into 4wd, at which point ur screwed.

One of 6 of the most common 4 wheel issues encountered.
04-02-2012 04:14 PM
snikt
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Originally Posted by OH9JK View Post
04-02-2012 04:11 PM
OH9JK
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Originally Posted by jeepkingtn View Post
If it's a local guy be careful if he says, "when you shift into 2nd gear give it all you got."
Great advice!!

JK Rubicon Rollover - YouTube
04-02-2012 03:20 PM
jeepkingtn If it's a local guy be careful if he says, "when you shift into 2nd gear give it all you got."
04-02-2012 12:43 PM
CapnRich22 i always say.. go as far as you can in 2wd... you will know when you will need 4wd... and 4lo doesn't happen often unless you are in some serious stuff.... anyways go out and try it on some easy stuff, get use to your machine
04-02-2012 12:32 PM
zmotorsports
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Originally Posted by OH9JK View Post
How about taking an off-roading class or riding with someone more experienced?

Information on these forums can be good but can't replace real world driving experience. You need to learn about and how to operate all of the features your Rubicon has before you hit the trail.


This can be the best way to learn rather than reading on a forum. Although I would recommend finding people to communicate and wheel with in your local area before I would pay someone to teach but that is just my opinion.

Wheeling with experienced off-roaders is a great way to learn and just to get out and meet new people with common interests.

Post a thread on the section for your area on the forum and see if you can get a group together for an outing.

I am trying to do just that on the Utah section right now. Just trying to get a group of locals to start getting together on a regular basis.

Mike.
04-02-2012 12:30 PM
ranjr
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Originally Posted by jeepkingtn
Send for a free copy of Mark Smith's guide to offroading and check out a Jeep Jamboree.

http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/guide-to-...-road-driving/
Attending a Jeep Jamboree is a great way to learn what you and your Jeep are capable of. They generally will have you put it in 4 low for the entire day though. Even in 4 low with my Rubi's 4:1 transfer case and 5 speed auto, I was able to drive through all 5 forward speeds and got around the park fine. I wouldn't drive more than about 20 mph as it will start racing the RPMs.
04-02-2012 12:27 PM
WatchThis! Comment deleated becouse I got my people mixed up... Sorry bout that
04-02-2012 12:14 PM
jeepkingtn Send for a free copy of Mark Smith's guide to offroading and check out a Jeep Jamboree.

http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/guide-to-...-road-driving/
04-02-2012 11:56 AM
OH9JK How about taking an off-roading class or riding with someone more experienced?

Information on these forums can be good but can't replace real world driving experience. You need to learn about and how to operate all of the features your Rubicon has before you hit the trail.


04-02-2012 11:47 AM
zmotorsports To get a feel for what you will need will have to be experimented with. This becomes more of a "feel" for each individual than to say when it is "this" do this or that.

I generally don't lock it into 4wd until I either need the extra traction, such as soft sand or I need lower gearing for more power/RPM, then I will select 4lo.

As far as lockers we did Hell's Revenge in Moab a few weeks ago and there were only two obstacles that I locked the axles on. One in hindsight I probably didn't need to.

If it appears that a wheel will be lifted or at least unloaded I will lock the axles to minimize unneccessary wheel spin. Other than that one wheel driving on front and one rear in 4lo is generally adequate, but then again do some experimenting to get a "feel" for it.

I know some who will select 4wd as soon as they leave pavement even though it is not necessary until traction or gearing dictates.

Mike.
04-02-2012 11:32 AM
Dr Gonzo There is no difference in traction between 4hi and 4lo. 4lo is for greater torque and, in the case of the Rubicon, incredibly low crawl speed in first gear. 4lo does automatically shut off your traction control, but you can shut that off manually in any drive setting.

If you engage your lockers, you will effectively more than double your traction on each axle - even if a wheel is in the air the other one will drive, and all of your power will be directed forward with both wheels on the ground, unless you manage to break them both loose. Do that with both axles, and you almost have a tank.

However, locking axles increases your traction and decreases your handling/maneuverability. Turning in sand isn't such a big deal with the rear locked, but on rocks it could cause some serious problems. Even hard packed dirt can do goofy things. And go ahead and forget about turning the steering wheel if the front is locked.
04-02-2012 11:25 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by Wharfrat

I've been wheeling for 18 years. Stuff where you get extreme body damage, broken glass, and rollovers. It's you who were misusing the term. Don't tell me that "people who actually wheel" understand the term the way you used it, because we don't, n00btits.
Whatever, everyone else but you understood.
04-02-2012 11:25 AM
WatchThis! Even if you are driving on a side hill thats got anykind of grade to it at all you still want to be discoed becouse if you dont your sway bar will be pushing you body down hill... Got to let them axels move as free as they can to keep the body lean under check.
04-02-2012 11:23 AM
Wharfrat
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
It's a common term that people who actually off road completely understand. I realized you were thinking of something else and that's why I added the explanation.
I've been wheeling for 18 years. Stuff where you get extreme body damage, broken glass, and rollovers. It's you who were misusing the term. Don't tell me that "people who actually wheel" understand the term the way you used it, because we don't, n00btits.
04-02-2012 11:16 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by snikt

Well I'm only saying because people seem to be contradicting each other in this thread on when to
Only one person made a contradiction.
04-02-2012 11:15 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by Wharfrat

Off camber is a sidehill. What you are talking about is simply when articulation is necessary.
It's a common term that people who actually off road completely understand. I realized you were thinking of something else and that's why I added the explanation.
04-02-2012 11:13 AM
positrak
04-02-2012 11:11 AM
Wharfrat
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
No, you want both tires on the ground, not one in the air. By off camber I mean obstacles that will make one wheel higher than another.
Off camber is a "sidehill". What you are talking about is simply when articulation is necessary. And yes, of course you want to be disconnected when you need articulation. When on an extreme sidehill though (AKA offcamber) a swaybar helps with the body lean. Now if you need max articulation while also on a sidehill, that's a different story entirely.

Looking at the replies in the thread I can't believe you are all misusing this term. Big facepalm over here.
04-02-2012 11:11 AM
Nanook Unless u have modded ur Rubicon, lockers only work in 4lo. Generally, I stay in 4lo on most trails, I dont like to keep shifting and or using my brakes.
04-02-2012 11:10 AM
sneck
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Originally Posted by snikt View Post
Well I'm only saying because people seem to be contradicting each other in this thread on when to
when in doubt, google the answer, dont just assume folks on a forum know whats best for your offroading. facts about suspension systems and 4x4ing are pretty rock solid
04-02-2012 11:09 AM
snikt
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Originally Posted by sneck View Post
what? pictures of when to disco the sway bar? when you offroad, the sway bar should be disco'd for maximum articulation. if you keep the sway bar connected, thats up to you, you should never be a situation where a swaybar will cause a crash, because if you're climbing something that hard, someone (mostly yourself) should understand how suspension works.

the quick and easy is, the sway bar helps reduce body roll, specifically during high speed/g movement (aka road travel). disco for offroad, connect for on road

and before anyone says "what about high speed offroading" theres a reason companies make dual rate sway bars, or even just ultra flexy sway bars, so that you can keep it connected and still get increased flex
Well I'm only saying because people seem to be contradicting each other in this thread on when to
04-02-2012 11:08 AM
WatchThis!
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Originally Posted by Wharfrat

What are you talking about? Extreme off camber situations are when I would want to RECONNECT the swaybar.
Like Daggo said you want to be discoed when off camber. The whole idea is for your jeep to flex. If you are conected and on uneven ground you will cause the body of the jeep to move more then it should and can cause a flop. Its not like your going to be going 50mph and need to keep body sway under check... Becouse thats all a "sway" bar does
04-02-2012 11:07 AM
sneck
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Originally Posted by snikt View Post
Now I'm confused, someone just post pictures of when you should or shouldn't
what? pictures of when to disco the sway bar? when you offroad, the sway bar should be disco'd for maximum articulation. if you keep the sway bar connected, thats up to you, you should never be a situation where a swaybar will cause a crash, because if you're climbing something that hard, someone (mostly yourself) should understand how suspension works.

the quick and easy is, the sway bar helps reduce body roll, specifically during high speed/g movement (aka road travel). disco for offroad, connect for on road

and before anyone says "what about high speed offroading" theres a reason companies make dual rate sway bars, or even just ultra flexy sway bars, so that you can keep it connected and still get increased flex
04-02-2012 11:01 AM
snikt Now I'm confused, someone just post pictures of when you should or shouldn't
04-02-2012 10:58 AM
Duffyc04
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Originally Posted by Wharfrat

What are you talking about? Extreme off camber situations are when I would want to RECONNECT the swaybar.
Guess again...

If you're extremely off camber you want maximum suspension travel/flex, which disconnected swaybars allows for, so the body of the car doesn't sway laterally when the tires are pushed up into the wheel wells when climbing rocks, going over logs, etc...
04-02-2012 10:58 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by mud_puppy

I'm a complete newb to offroading, and even I don't understand this. Doesn't disconnecting the swaybar allow for greater articulation? Wouldn't that be exactly what you want in an off-camber situation?
Yes it is.
04-02-2012 10:55 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by Wharfrat

What are you talking about? Extreme off camber situations are when I would want to RECONNECT the swaybar.
No, you want both tires on the ground, not one in the air. By off camber I mean obstacles that will make one wheel higher than another.
04-02-2012 10:55 AM
mud_puppy
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Originally Posted by Wharfrat View Post
What are you talking about? Extreme off camber situations are when I would want to RECONNECT the swaybar.
I'm a complete newb to offroading, and even I don't understand this. Doesn't disconnecting the swaybar allow for greater articulation? Wouldn't that be exactly what you want in an off-camber situation?
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