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04-24-2008 08:43 PM
jeeperx2 vavoline and ac delco filter-all by accident!!!!!! never investigated it before ! until i read this thread!!!!
04-24-2008 07:32 PM
solo97tj yes in north central Ohio you can buy mopar filters just as cheap as fram extra guard filters
at walmart!! and i use 10w30 castral
04-24-2008 07:11 PM
richp
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Originally Posted by BlackE1 View Post
The mopar factory filter was the cheapest or close to the cheapest filter at walmart when i changed my oil.
I have never seen a mopar filter in any store in the north east. I used them for a long time, when I bought my 98 I bought two full cases of both the oil and air filters plus a factory service manual, gradually switched to Mobil-1 and K&N filters, never had any issues with Mopar filters just that you had to buy them from the dealer which was a minor annoyance with their hours. One of the downsides of working for a living and 3 hour a day commutes.
04-24-2008 06:59 PM
BlackE1 The mopar factory filter was the cheapest or close to the cheapest filter at walmart when i changed my oil.
04-24-2008 06:14 PM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by Jma20a View Post
what filter would you recommend
There are plenty of good filters, my #1 and #2 choices based on best "bang for the buck" is the Purolator PureOne and the AC-Delco Duraguard. At least they've been my choices for years, and they did well in the same filter tests that singled out Fram for their poor quality.
04-24-2008 06:09 PM
Jma20a
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Valvoline is a great choice but after all this you are still thinking of buying a Fram oil filter?
what filter would you recommend
04-24-2008 04:41 PM
mrbigjeep changing your own oil is easy as pie.

the place i used to work at had new bottles of oil or an oil gun. anyway, i don't remember exactly what he said was wrong with it but i remember him posting up on JU and saying he had a bad experience using a fram filter. (said he found out the hard way not to use fram ) i don't feel like searching for it.
04-24-2008 04:34 PM
richp
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Valvoline is a great choice but after all this you are still thinking of buying a Fram oil filter?
There is nothing wrong with fram, they work great for doing kerosene or ATF flushes [Finally figured out a good use for them].
04-24-2008 03:47 PM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by Jma20a View Post
ii think i am going to go with the valvoline oil and fram filter.
Valvoline is a great choice but after all this you are still thinking of buying a Fram oil filter?
04-24-2008 03:06 PM
Jma20a i have all the grease and grease guns along with all the other tools ans stuff i need i was just wondering what oil and oil filter to choose. i think i am going to go with the valvoline oil and fram filter.
04-24-2008 01:43 PM
BlackE1 A few links to read about oil filters.
Seems like a well documented non biased study.

http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfi...lterstudy.html

http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfi...ers.html#avoid
04-24-2008 01:05 PM
hulkboy
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Kinda the opposite on Fram. They used to be a pretty good filter but then they were bought out by Allied Signal years ago and their quality just went into the proverbial toilet. The single biggest issue they seem to have over and above their less than top quality construction is the anti-drainback valve which is there to help keep oil up in the top of the engine. That valve is more prone to leakage, according to some filter tests I've read, which can cause a "dry" startup which hard on the upper end. Some valve clattering at engine startup problems talked about in various Jeep forums have been fixed merely by switching away from Fram to a better quality filter like a Purolator PureOne or AC-Delco Duraguard.
you know what i was wondering what that was when i started it this morning... i was running errands all morning the first few times i started the jeep i heard some clattering.. its a brand new filter.. does this mean i oughta change it out one more time to prevent damage.. it doesnt make the noise right now when i start it.. is this because its warmed up already??
04-24-2008 01:01 PM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by Brewski View Post
learn something new every day i guess. seems time for an oil change. anything wrong with their air filters? i just put one of those in
Fram's air filters may be fine, I don't know, but my first choice for paper air filters will always be AC-Delco with Purolator after that.
04-24-2008 12:20 PM
Brewski learn something new every day i guess. seems time for an oil change. anything wrong with their air filters? i just put one of those in
04-24-2008 11:18 AM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by Brewski View Post
im also curious whats wrong with fram, i have them for years, in many different vehicles with no problems. they used to be known as a not so good brand. but im pretty sure years back they went through some major changes (new ownership, design change im not sure)
Kinda the opposite on Fram. They used to be a pretty good filter but then they were bought out by Allied Signal years ago and their quality just went into the proverbial toilet. The single biggest issue they seem to have over and above their less than top quality construction is the anti-drainback valve which is there to help keep oil up in the top of the engine. That valve is more prone to leakage, according to some filter tests I've read, which can cause a "dry" startup which hard on the upper end. Some valve clattering at engine startup problems talked about in various Jeep forums have been fixed merely by switching away from Fram to a better quality filter like a Purolator PureOne or AC-Delco Duraguard.
04-24-2008 10:34 AM
Brewski
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Originally Posted by hulkboy View Post
why wouldnt you use it?? what kind of problems are we talking about?? and why didnt i see this thread yesterday before i dropped 6 qtz of castrol gtx and a FRAM oil filter in the jeep???
im also curious whats wrong with fram, i have them for years, in many different vehicles with no problems. they used to be known as a not so good brand. but im pretty sure years back they went through some major changes (new ownership, design change im not sure)
04-24-2008 09:36 AM
hulkboy
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Originally Posted by mrbigjeep View Post
$80 for a freakin oil change?!

i wouldn't use fram. my buddy used it on his jeep and had a bad experience with it.

personally i think conventional oil is fine and i really like castrol. as for the filter i used a mopar filter that i bought at walmart
why wouldnt you use it?? what kind of problems are we talking about?? and why didnt i see this thread yesterday before i dropped 6 qtz of castrol gtx and a FRAM oil filter in the jeep???
04-24-2008 08:53 AM
MCG I change your oil for $50.00 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
04-24-2008 06:07 AM
richp
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Originally Posted by 4.0l sahara View Post
don't bother with high millege oil just buy synthetic or regular oil.
I prefer keeping my ZDDP levels above 1100 with the high mileage vs the ZDDP levels of 600 in the standard Mobil-1, I'm not a big fan of premature tappet wear but then I tend to keep my stuff longer than most and there is also no price difference, at least around here.
04-24-2008 06:05 AM
richp
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Originally Posted by Mike B. View Post
I'm new to this also, what kind of grease?

Thanks!
I use Mobil-1 or Castrol synthetic grease though I tend to get mobil, they seem to mis price it more often
The 24" extension is handy as it allows you to leave the gun against the ground, work the lever with one hand and keep the fitting on the zerk with the other. You may have to go to a NAPA store for that length, you want the red hose one which is really flexible, more so than the black ones that the marts and box stores sell.
04-24-2008 01:18 AM
[TheYJGuy] When you go to Shop Rite or WalMart and buy a quart of store brand oil for $0.99, its re-refined recycled oil.

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Originally Posted by Rawkon View Post
No they dont, i have to take my work van into them and they always use new bottles . i doubt it would be legal for them to use reclaimed oil without anything being advertised or in print
Yes, they do. I worked at a 15 minute, $9.99 oil change place as a "Lube Tech" (I can't believe thats actually a job title.) I asked my boss how we could turn a profit with a $10 oil change, and he said that we used recycled oil, so it was cheap.
04-24-2008 12:30 AM
bpowa all oil is recycled.. nothing wrong with it.. its re-refined and packed into bottles.. some but not all is reused for automotive..


http://www.synlube.com/usedoil.htm#C...be%20Recycled?
04-24-2008 12:11 AM
Rawkon
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Originally Posted by The_YJGuy88 View Post
If you go to a JiffyLube or one of the other numerous "15 minute oil change" places, make sure you buy your own oil. All those places use recycled oil. Its like using oil from a car that already used that oil for 2k miles.
No they dont, i have to take my work van into them and they always use new bottles . i doubt it would be legal for them to use reclaimed oil without anything being advertised or in print
04-23-2008 10:59 PM
[TheYJGuy] If you go to a JiffyLube or one of the other numerous "15 minute oil change" places, make sure you buy your own oil. All those places use recycled oil. Its like using oil from a car that already used that oil for 2k miles.
04-23-2008 09:07 PM
Mike B.
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Originally Posted by richp View Post
Quit trying to dissuade him, hit walmart, pick up a 5 quart bottle of Mobil-1 10w30 'high milage' not the other stuff and a quart bottle of the same, then turn around and pickup a Mobil-1 filter model # M1-204 or a K&N model HP 2004.
The correct oil filter socket if you want. Takes all of 15 minutes. If you are really serious about this I would also pickup a good quality grease gun and a 24 inch extension for it so you can grease it while the oil is dripping out. You don't need floor jacks or jack stands, there is plenty of room under there.
I'm new to this also, what kind of grease?

Thanks!
04-23-2008 08:52 PM
Triple88a Hey no problem. If he wants to do it. Good for him. I'm just saying the shop is ripping people off. I would love to do my oil too but its not allowed in my building so i cant but also its kinda funny watching the monkeys trying to fill my rig with oil
04-23-2008 08:51 PM
4.0l sahara don't bother with high millege oil just buy synthetic or regular oil.
04-23-2008 08:46 PM
richp
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Originally Posted by Triple88a View Post
2x.. usually costs about 30

Many shops will even let you buy your own oil and will charge you less. Simply look around for another shop. I usually go to jeffy lube and insist to stay with my rig, if not i leave. I dont care if i have to sit in the corner.. as long as i'm there.
Quit trying to dissuade him, hit walmart, pick up a 5 quart bottle of Mobil-1 10w30 'high milage' not the other stuff and a quart bottle of the same, then turn around and pickup a Mobil-1 filter model # M1-204 or a K&N model HP 2004.
The correct oil filter socket if you want. Takes all of 15 minutes. If you are really serious about this I would also pickup a good quality grease gun and a 24 inch extension for it so you can grease it while the oil is dripping out. You don't need floor jacks or jack stands, there is plenty of room under there.
04-23-2008 08:34 PM
Triple88a
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Originally Posted by mrbigjeep View Post
$80 for a freakin oil change?!
2x.. usually costs about 30

Many shops will even let you buy your own oil and will charge you less. Simply look around for another shop. I usually go to jeffy lube and insist to stay with my rig, if not i leave. I dont care if i have to sit in the corner.. as long as i'm there.
04-23-2008 08:34 PM
Jma20a all he did was oil, oil filter, and a small bottle of additive in the gas tank to help clean the injectors and all that crap. he charged $35 for disposal of haz-mat(old oil and filter) and $20 for labor. my old mechanic would charge $30 for the same, but then again he used to old oil to fuel his furnace.
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