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04-16-2012 05:02 AM
JEEPDON
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Originally Posted by RedBones View Post
How much do you off road?? I go maybe eight to ten times a year, for me to drop a lot of money on something that I might use once or twice a year is something I can't justify for myself.
So I am going to be a smart a$$ and ask how many times one has to go off road before he needs a good winch. Seems to me that all it might be is once. Just remember that the more money we spend on mods, the further we have to walk!
04-15-2012 10:05 PM
07XMan2Door My neighbor is selling a brand new Smitty XRC8 for 300 bones. 100ft synthetic, alluminum polished fairlead, remote, cover, to winchplates. He has a TJ so the plates might not work. I'll take bumper off tomorrow & see if it fits. I learned that these are made in China, that sux.

Would you guys get it? Any bad experiences with these Smitty's?

Thanks
04-12-2012 08:10 PM
farmcapt05 If you are going with a stubby bumper I believe the only time approach angle is going to be a problem is if you are going head on into a wall.
04-12-2012 07:47 PM
snikt I don't think it matters too much, the non-recessed bumpers I think are higher so you have a better angles in the front for off-roading. The bumper I just bought is an on top mount

04-12-2012 07:45 PM
Marce1 Which one would be more practical to have? I'm assuming the recessed one? So I should go with the dagger?
04-12-2012 07:42 PM
snikt
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Originally Posted by Marce1 View Post
Umm, recessed and top? What's that? That's the first time I hear about this!
Means the winch is either slightly or all recessed inside the front bumper. On top just means it's mounted on top of the bumper, so it sticks up more
04-12-2012 07:31 PM
Marce1
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Originally Posted by Daniel_M View Post
As for the bumper, I like both the JCR’s you posted. One is recessed winch mount and the other top mount.
Umm, recessed and top? What's that? That's the first time I hear about this!
04-12-2012 03:55 PM
Daniel_M Well to me if it is your vehicle and your money then you should be able to do what you want. I am married, with a child and my wife doesn’t have any say in what I do with my Jeep, she doesn’t attempt to either. She knows it’s my toy. Other things in regards to our family, of course, it is compromise and mutual decisions. But it is your life and no knock on you, just different ways of thinking.

As for the bumper, I like both the JCR’s you posted. One is recessed winch mount and the other top mount. The dagger has a better approach angle due to its slimmer design, contributed by the top mount winch, but it is strictly personal preference at that point. My Rugged Ridge XHD is wider too since the winch is recessed.

You can find a powder coater and have it powder coated but If it were me I would use Rustoleum truck bed coating/liner in the spray can.

-Dan
04-12-2012 01:20 PM
Marce1
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Originally Posted by Daniel_M View Post
As far as your GF not "approving" of a stinger, grow a pair and get one if that's what you want. Unless of course it is both your vehicle, and you only have the one.

-Dan
I have a say in everything she does, in return, I let her have a say in everything I do Gotta work together, otherwise why be together in the first place?

As for the bumper, I think I'm gonna go with the Crusader instead. The dagger is really nice but the crusader looks like a more bad@ss version of it. Now all I need to find is a way to get it coated (either black, or something similar). Would the whole spraypainting thing work on it? I don't remember the name, but many use it.
04-12-2012 12:57 PM
kbwwolf JCR is one of the newer WF vendors. PM them and see if they can do anything for you in regard to shipping...

I'm with Dan. The JCR dagger rocks.
04-12-2012 12:47 PM
Daniel_M IMO of the above JCR Dagger hands down. As far as your GF not "approving" of a stinger, grow a pair and get one if that's what you want. Unless of course it is both your vehicle, and you only have the one.

-Dan
04-12-2012 11:17 AM
Marce1 JCR CRUSADER $511


JCR DAGGER $470


SMITTYBILT XRC $510
04-12-2012 11:13 AM
Marce1 After lots and lots of research, I finally found a thread I deemed worthy of noting. It's quite a shame that it is not located on our forum, but nevertheless proved to be very useful:
The thread is located HERE (jkfreaks)

Anyhow, I've narrowed my choices down to 3 options:
1- JCR Dagger Front Prerunner $470
2- JCR Crusader Front Prerunner $511
3- Smittybilt XRC $510
(I don't believe any of them include shipping, so that's an extra Benjamin towards each)

I can't decide between the 3 of them, but am leaning more towards the Crusader. I will post pictures of the 3 bumpers in a second.
04-12-2012 08:13 AM
salmonshark I have the JCR Dagger Pre-Runner bumper and the Smittybuilt X20 Comp 10k. Can't really give too much feedback right now as they are both sitting in the garage waiting to be installed. Too bad I am out of town this week, so they have to wait.

One thing that I like about the JCR's is that they come bare metal. Gives you the freedom to either paint it, bed line, or powder coat it. I have a friend of a friend that does powder coating, so the choice for me was easy.

As far as the winch; I wanted something with synthetic line and something that could get dunked in water. Living in the PNW, we have a lot of water around. First time out with my Jeep, I went through a lot of water bumper deep, so I don't want to have to worry about it. I believe the manual said it was rated at IP68; 8 meaning it can be submerged underwater and still run.

I hope to get this installed next week when I am back home from work.

Next I want the JCR Rear Bumper and Tire Carrier; though that's gonna have to wait for my wallet to catch up.

SS
04-12-2012 07:53 AM
Marce1
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Originally Posted by JKralph View Post
JCR makes some nice front bumpers, too (pic below)
I looked into JCR, found some pretty neat bumpers. My goal for a bumper is to have a non-hidden winch mount, light tabs, D-ring mounts, fog light mounts, maximum entry level, and most importantly, a bull bar slanted about 70 degrees (kind of like a stinger with a chopped off "sting", made into a /--\ shape, if that makes sense)

So I found 2 at JCR, both of which meet my expectations, and therefore look tremendously similar:

1- The Crusader Series (I think my favorite)
2- The Dagger Series

Would anyone have any comments on these two? That includes likes/dislikes, advice, defects, preference in looks, and all kinds of ideas and thoughts.
Also, if anyone knows anything about getting them for cheaper, please let me know Cost is always an issue... I'm not sitting on a fountain of gold here
04-12-2012 12:55 AM
JKralph ha and I just now noticed the picture I posted of the JCR bumper features a winch with what appears to be steel cable, but with a hawse fairlead. Wonder who set that picture up...
04-12-2012 12:47 AM
JKralph JCR makes some nice front bumpers, too (pic below)

I went with RR XHD (I also went with WARN, but I got a ridiculously good deal on it)
04-11-2012 11:49 PM
Marce1 Ok, so I think I'm gonna go with the cheap American smittybilt XRC8

Now for a nice bumper. Anyone wanna share some info?
ACE JK Stubby bumper is nice

I've also heard the following are nice:

ShrockWorks Mid Width
Rugged Ridge Modular HD
hanson

Anyone got pictures/links to any of them and maybe a price?
04-11-2012 08:56 PM
cavsvet74
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Originally Posted by 12JKUR View Post
Wait, are Saharas allowed off-road?
No, but we go anyway.
04-11-2012 08:19 PM
Marce1
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Originally Posted by RedBones View Post
How much do you off road?? I go maybe eight to ten times a year, for me to drop a lot of money on something that I might use once or twice a year is something I can't justify for myself.
Well I off-road about half as much as you do But what does that mean? lol
04-11-2012 07:21 PM
RedBones How much do you off road?? I go maybe eight to ten times a year, for me to drop a lot of money on something that I might use once or twice a year is something I can't justify for myself.
04-11-2012 05:52 PM
Marce1
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Originally Posted by snikt
I'm new as well, just ordered mine today

I got a HighRock bumper for 400$

I spend 730$ on the winch though, but you can go slightly cheaper, I got a Warn VR1000 with synthetic cable, you can get a VR10000 with metal cable for 600 or less (plus 50$ rebate)
That's not a bad deal, not to mention brand name... Do you have pictures by any chance?
04-11-2012 05:50 PM
snikt I'm new as well, just ordered mine today

I got a HighRock bumper for 400$

I spend 730$ on the winch though, but you can go slightly cheaper, I got a Warn VR1000 with synthetic cable, you can get a VR10000 with metal cable for 600 or less (plus 50$ rebate)
04-11-2012 05:49 PM
Marce1
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Originally Posted by snikt View Post
400$ bumper and 600$ winch
What kinds? I'm new to bumpers and winches. I've looked into ACE's stubby bumpers, I don't mind it
04-11-2012 05:46 PM
snikt 400$ bumper and 600$ winch
04-11-2012 05:40 PM
Marce1
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Originally Posted by 12JKUR View Post
Wait, are Saharas allowed off-road?
And no, Saharas aren't really allowed to off-road... I'm just that Bad@ss
04-11-2012 05:38 PM
Marce1 My budget for a winch is about 1k.
I have two options: either I go with factory bumper, and a nice $5-600 winch, and have some cash leftover for something new, or I buy a nice and fresh little stubby bumper along with the winch for $4-500 and have nothing left over for other mods.

I agree with 3JKs1H1, chinese product scares me. For $300, I'm a little skeptic, but nevertheless leaning towards it for the cheap price.

For about $4-600, what winches would you suggest? I'm thinking 8k-9k max, and the whole synthetic thing isn't impressing me much... In my eyes, it's a waste considering steel is more durable and cheaper to replace. Safety-wise, I can keep my distance and put a dampening cloth.
Smittybilt XRC8 a good idea? Also very cheap ($300)

On another note, would anyone suggest (either from personal experience, or second hand experience) a specific bumper? My gf doesn't approve of a stinger, so I'm stuck with a stubby bumper. I have a white Sahara '12.

I'm looking for everyone's 2 cents! they pile up to make terrific ideas
04-11-2012 05:03 PM
RedBones I would go with Smittybilt XRC-8 or 10 with the syn winch line.
I do not off road a lot so can't justify spending the money on a Warn or Ramsey.
Just my 02.
04-11-2012 03:59 PM
Daniel_M
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Originally Posted by 3JKs1H1 View Post
My .02

I'd be leery about chinese manufactured winch. I've unfortunately bought two (both Milemarkers) and both failed within about 2 years. before that time the corroded terribly. So that was like tossing about $1000 in the trash can. I actually mailed them back to Milemarkers CEO and told him he made a junk product. All new winches look good out of the box, but you'll own if for much longer than the limited warranty period.

The 12K Ramsey I bought in 1996 still works, so does the 12M warn and the two Warn 9.5 xps (perfect winch) and the 16.5 Warn I bought. So I bought a Warn M8000 and a syn cable and hawse (aluminum) fairleed. I'm a little skeptical of the winch shootout (often referred to).

I have a 6 mos old Bestop High Rock front bumper. The winch sits up a bit too high for me so I ordered another bumper so the winch can drop inside it, not blocking the cooling stack, and it won't say steal me. My High Rock was only $250 (local overstock), so while a good solid bumper, i can sell it for that, lesson learned.
Hit or miss and opinion based. I have personally seen Warns fail as well. I know so many wheelers running budget winches with no problems. Seeing Warns fail, to me doesn’t justify their extreme cost. If I bought a $300 Engo and it failed and Engo neglected to warranty making me to buy a new one, I’d only be out $600.

Although, I can see why YOU run Warns and Ramsey, cause you have had the bargain brands crap out on you. It is a slippery slope.

-Dan
04-11-2012 03:53 PM
Daniel_M
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Originally Posted by Marce1 View Post
Ok, so after doing the homework kbwwolf suggested, I'm a little less confused, however I still don't know which winch I should choose.
According to the massive shootout
Massive Multi-Winch Shootout - Four Wheeler Magazine
Engo E9000 is a good idea. Less than $300 for a winch is a good deal!

I do have 2 concerns however:
1- Will I be able to mount it to my stock bumper? I'm guessing no, since there are no indentations or whatever for a winch.
Yes, with a winch plate like the smittybilt, warn or rough country. The warn plate is about $300 though and the RC and Smitty are about $150 and do the same work.
Smittybilt 2804 - Smittybilt Winch Plate for 07-11 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK with Factory Bumper - Quadratec
Jeep JK Factory Bumper Winch Plate

2- What's aluminum hawse fairlead? According to what I've read, it's what prevents synthetic cable from getting damaged by the winch.
I think I'm gonna go with steel cable, but should I get a winch with aluminum hawse fairlead, just in case I decide to switch to synthetic cable later on?
The Hawse fairlead is for synth rope. For steel you want rollers. Whatever components you use for steel rope DO NOT reuse them if you ever go with synthetic later such as snatch blocks and fairleads. The steel rope will grind down the metal and possibly leave burrs and scratches, damaging your new synthetic line.
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Smittybilt 2804 - Smittybilt Winch Plate for 07-11 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK with Factory Bumper - Quadratec
Jeep JK Factory Bumper Winch Plate



-Dan
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