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09-22-2006 07:52 PM
Jerry Bransford Trust me, a rear-mounted Detroit Locker is much more benign and far better behaved on the street than any rear-mounted lunchbox locker. In the front, they behave about the same... which is to say you can't (or can barely) detect their presence when in 2wd.
09-22-2006 07:38 PM
bluvikng Texas does not see much ice, and I was totally referring to rocks here. But I understand the expense of the ARB. If Detroit has actually made a road worthy locker, then more power to them. They have not had the best lockers for quit some time, and I do like the ability of selecting a locker, only when it is needed. But I have only the experience of PSC, to back those conclusions with. The GM of PSC, used to work for Poison Spyder, and has been in the field of off road competition, for the past 15 yrs. You kind of have to pay attention to the masters, of the sport. Kind of hard to argue with them.
09-22-2006 07:27 PM
Jerry Bransford I agree an ARB is hard to beat, I'd have one installed into the rear of my TJ if I had a spare $900 or so (I already have the air source). But then I sure like the fact I don't have to worry about engaging or disengaging my Detroit Locker and that it unlocks when it needs to. Drive it and go. No buttons to push, no need to think about when to engage or disengage it. Now if I wheeled where it got icy, then yeah my Detroit Locker would be history.
09-22-2006 07:13 PM
bluvikng
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Originally Posted by 1BLKJP
Jerry, Didn't realize we were still talking about a D35. Your probably right. However I would imagine that any locker in a D35 could cause the implosion that you decribed.

Amen, to that. It really does not matter what you put in a D35c, it will implode. That axle was not meant to be locked. As far as Detroit lockers are concerned, I would not run it in my junk. Way to unnerving on the rocks, when they unload.

ARB........all the way, the only way to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And Jerry, no disrespect here, but that is what the pro's recommend.

I did a lot of research, before I built my YJ........and after careful examination, that was the only route to go.

You can not beat a selectable locker. Having the ability to switch it on, or off, is priceless.
09-22-2006 04:11 PM
1BLKJP
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford
The small D35c gear case (carrier) just isn't strong enough to withstand the doubling of stress that a lunchbox locker causes. My lunchbox literally self-destructed during a u-turn on the street, taking the carrier, locker, and R&P gears and breaking them into a bunch of small pieces.
Jerry, Didn't realize we were still talking about a D35. Your probably right. However I would imagine that any locker in a D35 could cause the implosion that you decribed.
09-22-2006 09:26 AM
04moneypit I have run a lunchbox locker in a super street '69 nova I used to have and I agree that they are choppy but, I had a full detroit locker in the rear of my tj and that's what's given me problems, don't have a locker in the front, just a trutrac, and I know it's benign. The detroit snaps and clunks constantly, always reminding me it's there.
09-21-2006 08:38 PM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by 1BLKJP
Jerry how did it "Grenade"? I wager to say that more people have drivetrain issues by having a Detroit in the rear than they do with a lock right. My lunch box locker in the rear doesn't un-load every time I hit the gas or switch gears like a detroit does. Yes there are some residual affects from running any full time locker in the rear. But I wouldn't ever say that a lunch box is worse than a Detroit.
The small D35c gear case (carrier) just isn't strong enough to withstand the doubling of stress that a lunchbox locker causes. My lunchbox literally self-destructed during a u-turn on the street, taking the carrier, locker, and R&P gears and breaking them into a bunch of small pieces.

I'll never ever go along that any lunchbox locker I've ever owned or driven is even nearly as smooth as the Detroit Locker I've had in my daily driver TJ for 80-90,000 miles and 6-7 years. If you're thinking of the old Detroit Locker that had an awful reputation for what you described, fine... but that model was discontinued probably ten years ago when it was reintroduced as the Detroit "Softlocker" which is still more commonly known as the Detroit Locker. Tractech still uses both names for it.

But yeah, I have driven TJs with Gearless Lockers, Aussie, No-Slip and Lockrite in the rear and all of them are cranky and constant reminders of their presence compared to my Detroit Locker that may remind me once a day of its presence. That's why I never (!) recommend lunchbox lockers for the rear axle but have no problem recommending them for the front where they work fine.
09-21-2006 07:35 PM
1BLKJP
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford
A lunchbox locker in the REAR on the other hand can make for an ugly driving experience on the street. Such lockers are harsh and are not enjoyable. I used to run one and I'm happy it grenaded six weeks after installing it.

After installing my Dana 44 rear axle, I chose to install a Detroit Locker. Noticeable on the street but not bad at all, and my TJ with 165,000 miles on it is my daily driver. Would I install or recommend a rear lunchbox locker? Not on my life.
Jerry how did it "Grenade"? I wager to say that more people have drivetrain issues by having a Detroit in the rear than they do with a lock right. My lunch box locker in the rear doesn't un-load every time I hit the gas or switch gears like a detroit does. Yes there are some residual affects from running any full time locker in the rear. But I wouldn't ever say that a lunch box is worse than a Detroit.
09-21-2006 07:24 PM
Jerry Bransford
Quote:
Originally Posted by 04moneypit
I personally like the trutrac. I have one in the front end of my jeep and it has always worked well for me. Most of my driving is done on the street down here in San Diego in traffic, and the locker is so harsh. I can drive with it and it doesn't bother me so much, but my wife is very uncomfortable in it, even riding in when it jerks around as it engages and disengages. When I have been offroad, however, the trutrac performs, I hit mostly sandy desert trails, with occasional rocks. and if I can't drive up it, that's why I bought a winch.
There's a huge (!) difference in how a front-mounted locker and a rear-mounted locker behave on the street. A rear locker is always locked up hard due to the rear axle always receiving torque... so it has a hard time unlocking so a rear lunchbox locker can be a handful.

But if you were to blindfold yourself and drive my TJ with its front locker in 2wd and your TJ with its Truetrac in 2wd, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference on the street. And yes, I used to run Truetracs, front and rear. There's no difference on the street between them that I can detect. Front lockers, when installed in a TJ, are completely benign and virtually unnoticeable... though some have been known to make a soft clicking sound during turns, though my Powertrax No-Slip front locker is virtually silent.

A lunchbox locker in the REAR on the other hand can make for an ugly driving experience on the street. Such lockers are harsh and are not enjoyable. I used to run one and I'm happy it grenaded six weeks after installing it.

After installing my Dana 44 rear axle, I chose to install a Detroit Locker. Noticeable on the street but not bad at all, and my TJ with 165,000 miles on it is my daily driver. Would I install or recommend a rear lunchbox locker? Not on my life.
09-21-2006 05:22 PM
Strykar i recently got in an accident with my 05 se. totaled the dudes vehicle, all i got was a dented fender and my grill got a little scratched. didnt even mess up my Marine Corps vanity plate. jeeps are some tough mothers.
09-21-2006 11:46 AM
04moneypit I personally like the trutrac. I have one in the front end of my jeep and it has always worked well for me. Most of my driving is done on the street down here in San Diego in traffic, and the locker is so harsh. I can drive with it and it doesn't bother me so much, but my wife is very uncomfortable in it, even riding in when it jerks around as it engages and disengages. When I have been offroad, however, the trutrac performs, I hit mostly sandy desert trails, with occasional rocks. and if I can't drive up it, that's why I bought a winch.
09-20-2006 11:20 PM
upinar dont try to launch with oversized tires like ur impala. i tried that months ago and my jeep ended up in the shop with a broken axle. yes, i felt like an idiot.
09-20-2006 05:24 PM
Jerry Bransford Why the Truetrac (which is a good limited slip differential) now that you have a D44? I used to have a Truetrac front and rear and while they were great on-road, they did little to nothing to help offroad which is why I swapped 'em for lockers. If this is primarily for offroading, I'd definitely install a Detroit Locker instead which is installed exactly as the Truetrac is.
09-20-2006 05:17 PM
mrbigjeep sweet
09-20-2006 01:22 PM
04moneypit Ok, I went ahead and ordered the stuff- D44 tj bare housing, alloy usa axle shafts, Detroit trutrac, 4.10 gears and a master kit, and this new companies rear end cover -Trail Defense d44 cover (check ebay) pretty beefy. Talk at you guys (and gals) later.
09-19-2006 08:01 PM
mrbigjeep the hill is kinda like this except the incline isn't as long and it comes down just as steep on the other side
and i don't know anything about this picture...i just found it on google

Attachment 673
09-19-2006 07:59 PM
mrbigjeep alright thanks...the trail im goin to tomorow is mostly mud and dirt hills that are pretty darn steep with lumps in the middle for some tire spin should the tire come off the ground which it seems like it could but i know a guy that took is stock 4runner up the hill in 4wd with no problems and he didn't even spin and slide all over the place so i should be fine...but the steep hills come straight down once you get over...i won't high center will I? i hope my nerf bars aren't low enough to grab the top of the hill
09-19-2006 07:50 PM
1BLKJP
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Originally Posted by bigjeep
too bad the bid has ended...that would have been a great deal...how easy is it for the c-clip to come off? i'm goin wheelin tomorow :/
Like Jerry said, Usually the C-Clip doesn't break. But it is the only thing holding the wheel/tire/shaft/brakes on the jeep. So you dump a shaft and you are getting pretty creative on how to keep your wheel on unless you have a spare.

I wouldn't worry about it too much in your case. Most 35 shafts break with some pretty good wheel spin and an outside force like a rock or log or something intervening. If you feel your jeep start hopping when you are into the go pedal back off and attack from a different angle.
09-19-2006 07:43 PM
Jerry Bransford It's not that the c-clip falls off or breaks, it's that the axleshaft snaps in half and the outside half slides out of the axle housing with the wheel still solidly attached to it. The c-clip usually has no problem hanging onto the other side of the axleshaft.
09-19-2006 07:01 PM
mrbigjeep
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Originally Posted by 1BLKJP
Yeah, boss the only thing holding that wheel on your dana 35 is the c-clip inside the diff. You break one of those shafts and your wheel is comin off.

See we really do mean that 35 is a turd.

Oh, and Moneypit I threw this up on the board last week. It's a link to a good priced axle that was on ebay. Might be worth your while to check out the seller and see if they still have them. However I have nothing to do with that auction or the seller. I just thought it was a good deal for a 44.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f282/d44-anyone-2964.html
too bad the bid has ended...that would have been a great deal...how easy is it for the c-clip to come off? i'm goin wheelin tomorow :/
09-19-2006 06:36 PM
1BLKJP
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Originally Posted by bigjeep
great! I HAVE the dana 35
Yeah, boss the only thing holding that wheel on your dana 35 is the c-clip inside the diff. You break one of those shafts and your wheel is comin off.

See we really do mean that 35 is a turd.

Oh, and Moneypit I threw this up on the board last week. It's a link to a good priced axle that was on ebay. Might be worth your while to check out the seller and see if they still have them. However I have nothing to do with that auction or the seller. I just thought it was a good deal for a 44.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/showthread.php?t=2964
09-19-2006 04:06 PM
04moneypit Oh, and another thing, slightly used super 35 kit or complete axle for sale, you pick.
09-19-2006 11:11 AM
04moneypit
Update

So, I pulled the cover and guess what? The locker put enough torsional stress on the ring gear to snap the head off one of the ring bolts. After those couple miles, it dropped into the bottom of the diff, chewed into little bits, and no more problems on the drive home. Chewed the R&P up too. Guess that's why they say don't put a detroit locker in a 35. Suppose it's time for that 44 model upgrade.......
09-19-2006 06:02 AM
Odhinn
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Originally Posted by 1BLKJP
If that would've been a Dana 35 on a jeep then the axle/tire/etc... would've come out.
Yea, I was pretty lucky on that. I was also very hard on vehicles in my teens, my mother banned me from driving any family cars. Took me a while to get the money saved up so I parked it in the garage and drove my Cherokee. After I replaced the axle it stayed in the garage except on weekends until I enlisted in the military when I sold it.
09-18-2006 09:44 PM
mrbigjeep
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Originally Posted by 1BLKJP
If that would've been a Dana 35 on a jeep then the axle/tire/etc... would've come out.
great! I HAVE the dana 35
09-18-2006 08:01 PM
1BLKJP
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Originally Posted by Odhinn
I've never experienced it on my jeeps but I had a 66 Impala that did something similar to me, c clip fell off on a burnout and locked up the axle. Backed up it freed then I drove it home. Its a wonder the axle didn't come out. C-clip was in the bottom of the diff. along with the end of the shaft. Of course the axle and gears were fried gave me an excuse to put a ford 9" in it.
If that would've been a Dana 35 on a jeep then the axle/tire/etc... would've come out.
09-18-2006 05:46 PM
Odhinn Sorry to here about your trouble.

I've never experienced it on my jeeps but I had a 66 Impala that did something similar to me, c clip fell off on a burnout and locked up the axle. Backed up it freed then I drove it home. Its a wonder the axle didn't come out. C-clip was in the bottom of the diff. along with the end of the shaft. Of course the axle and gears were fried gave me an excuse to put a ford 9" in it.
09-18-2006 02:04 PM
04moneypit
SNAP!, BANG!, CRUNCH!- Drive home?

Allright, You guys have to listen to a true testament to jeep durability. So this past weekend the wife and I decided to drive out to the Salton Sea. ~140mi from San Diego. So we get there and I'm headed to the beach on this side road. Come to find out the road's closed. Turn around to head back to the highway. get in 4th. Then Snap! crunch, crunch, crunch...... So I spend a couple hours trouble shooting (pulling parts, checking fluids) no metal shavings anywhere, but the rear axle acts like it's trying to lock up. So I limp to the highway and it's getting worse. So I try to call for a tow. nobody's open anywhere nearby. So after that I go ahead and decide I'm going to see if I can limp it to town. Go about 2 mi and jeep "fixes" itself. So I drove cautiously and all of us made it back to San Diego, with no further problems. Mind you I'm still going to spend the time to figure out exactly what it is and fix it or I could upgrade.... Maybe it's time to buy that rear 44 I've been dreaming about. Still can't believe we made it home. Guess I have a good guardian angel. Anybody have thoughts on what it could have been? I'm going to double check my tranny, t-case, both axles and my u-joints. Pretty nuts. Sorry about the rant but I had to get it out.

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