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10-22-2008 08:56 AM
jgano23 i've got both not having to worry about shifting is nice on the road, but off road i like a manual better, i feel like i've got more control. you just have to be careful when fording through water holes with sand at the bottom. if you keep the clutch open too long sand will pack in and the fingers wont close. you will lose the ability to shift until you get the sand out. this is a more common problem in tj's than cj's. just remember 1st gear, 4 low and walk through. dont gun & run that only works in mud
10-21-2008 10:41 PM
marshallb cool, thats what I had heard. the hard part is to find a"honest tranny shop" but thanks for quick response keep wheelen
10-20-2008 12:25 AM
Jerry Bransford Could just need its bands adjusted which is a fairly minor procedure... at least it is if it's done by an honest tranny shop.
10-19-2008 09:16 PM
marshallb Not to change the subject, but, has eneybody had a problem with their auto slippen? not to long ago lost my tranny line. made it home(with the uses of all three cans of spare tranny fluid) fixed the line. now it slips in high gear. whatup
05-11-2008 09:47 AM
Ripcord Im going to start a mall speed island club!!!!
05-11-2008 02:32 AM
tarheel
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Originally Posted by bpowa View Post
from red to green at a stop..

speed bumps at the mall
Those are speed ISLANDS now and they require lots of flex
05-11-2008 02:16 AM
nicolas-eric
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Originally Posted by wheelin352 View Post
also something i havent seen mentioned is the fact of deep mud and water if your planning on doing any mud/water that could get over your trans with an auto you woll be looking at very exspensive repairs with a manual if you drain the fluid out shortly after youll be fine but if you not doing deep water/mud id pick the auto over manual anyday
the 4spd auto tranny is very water resistant and itīs breather hose is very high at the firewall.
only the old 3pd auto tranny hd problems with water.

05-11-2008 12:22 AM
bpowa
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Originally Posted by mrbigjeep View Post
so i assume you have an auto?

manual drivers can do this too when cruising...i know i do.

from red to green at a stop..

speed bumps at the mall
05-11-2008 12:06 AM
Triple88a
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Originally Posted by mrbigjeep View Post
so i assume you have an auto?

manual drivers can do this too when cruising...i know i do.
2x.
05-10-2008 11:55 PM
Rawkon
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Originally Posted by wheelin352 View Post
also something i havent seen mentioned is the fact of deep mud and water if your planning on doing any mud/water that could get over your trans with an auto you woll be looking at very exspensive repairs with a manual if you drain the fluid out shortly after youll be fine but if you not doing deep water/mud id pick the auto over manual anyday

been there done that no water has gotten into anything.
My MPG with my 3 speed auto averages 17 in the highway and 15 in the city
05-10-2008 11:29 PM
mrbigjeep
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Originally Posted by bpowa View Post
i can stick my left leg ot the door when the door is off.. like a sitting streach.
so i assume you have an auto?

manual drivers can do this too when cruising...i know i do.
05-10-2008 11:26 PM
wheelin352 also something i havent seen mentioned is the fact of deep mud and water if your planning on doing any mud/water that could get over your trans with an auto you woll be looking at very exspensive repairs with a manual if you drain the fluid out shortly after youll be fine but if you not doing deep water/mud id pick the auto over manual anyday
05-10-2008 11:00 PM
bpowa i can stick my left leg ot the door when the door is off.. like a sitting streach.
05-10-2008 07:45 PM
jpdocdave i've always loved my manuals. what does everyone say about strength, and cost of repairs on an auto. manual trans is strong, and more easily repaired.
05-10-2008 02:36 PM
nicolas-eric with deactivated OD switch it locks up at about 40 mph. with activated OD switch it locks up at about 35 mph. after it locked up i can accellerate moderate without slipping.
05-10-2008 02:16 PM
Triple88a right
05-10-2008 02:15 PM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by Triple88a View Post
In stop and go, torque converter doesnt lock up (or at least on the auto vehicles i've been in) lol You have to be cruising so it locks up. While accelerating it slips.
Thank you Captain Obvious.
05-10-2008 02:11 PM
Triple88a
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
Autos did not used to have locking torque converters so they did get poorer mileage because the torque converter wasn't locked up so it slipped. But they have had lock-up torque converters for many years now so they get the exact same mpg as a manual transmission does, if their final drive ratios are the same. There is no slippage with an automatic on the road so there's no longer anything about an automatic to give it poorer fuel economy..
In stop and go, torque converter doesnt lock up (or at least on the auto vehicles i've been in) lol You have to be cruising so it locks up. While accelerating it slips.
05-10-2008 12:51 PM
nicolas-eric
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Originally Posted by soupy1957 View Post
"10-20% more fuel than the jeeps with manual tranny."

That ALONE (given today's gas prices) is enough reason to avoid an Automatic!!

-Soupy1957
sorry i forgot to say that i as talking about the fuel consumption at low speed in the city. i drive 90& in the city.
at highway speeds with locked converter the fuel consumption is a bit better than with my old manual tranny.
05-10-2008 11:50 AM
mrbigjeep i run a manual and like it. it has been fine on and off road. i have the 6spd.
05-10-2008 11:41 AM
Dare2BSquare
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
I also managed to get over 167,000 miles out of my original clutch with plenty of rock crawling on it so that seems to say I knew how to drive it.
There is the rub with a lot of people. Replacing clutches because you ride it too much can much more than offset the original cost of an automatic.
05-10-2008 11:34 AM
Jerry Bransford As a fairly "hard core" offroader, at least by some standards, I recently converted my '97 TJ from a 5-speed to an automatic. It's now pretty much mostly a trail Jeep that does more rock crawling than anything.

On gentle to moderate trails, manuals are fine but once you start doing many 5+ rated trails, an automatic gives much better control and a better crawl ratio. I was shocked how much more control I had over really tough obstacles with the automatic than my previous 5-speed.

With the guys I enjoy rock crawling with, I was one of the last remaining manual transmission drivers. I was constantly amazed at how smoothly the guys with automatics navigated the rocks like in Johnson Valley, while us guys with manuals had a much tougher time. Most vehicles out in areas like that have been automatics for years now.

Having had both styles of transmissions in my TJ, I'll just say I don't miss my manual transmission. I did the swap with 174,000 miles on the manual transmission and I'll just say that the benefits I picked up with the automatic were similar in how dramatic they were to when I installed front and rear lockers years ago.

Benefits to the automatic include 2-3X greater low-end torque through torque multiplication that takes place inside the torque converter, as well as an infinitely low first gear ratio again as a result of the torque converter. That equates to an infinitely high crawl ratio, a very good thing.

Some of you manual enthusiasts will just claim I didn't have the skills to drive a manual well on tough trails. Well, at age 60, I have been driving manuals for about 44 years now, and with 174,000 miles on my TJ's 5-speed. I also managed to get over 167,000 miles out of my original clutch with plenty of rock crawling on it so that seems to say I knew how to drive it. Actually, I was surprised when I pulled the OE clutch disk out, it still had a lot of life left on it. I only swapped it in preparation for a trip through Sledgehammer in Johnson Valley where I didn't want to take a chance with an old clutch going out on me.

Easy trails, transmission type doesn't matter. But the harder the trail, the more an automatic transmission shines. At least in my personal opinion.
05-10-2008 11:18 AM
Jerry Bransford
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Originally Posted by soupy1957 View Post
"10-20% more fuel than the jeeps with manual tranny."

That ALONE (given today's gas prices) is enough reason to avoid an Automatic!!

-Soupy1957
That hasn't been true in many years.

Autos did not used to have locking torque converters so they did get poorer mileage because the torque converter wasn't locked up so it slipped. But they have had lock-up torque converters for many years now so they get the exact same mpg as a manual transmission does, if their final drive ratios are the same. There is no slippage with an automatic on the road so there's no longer anything about an automatic to give it poorer fuel economy.

Bottom line, autos get exactly the same fuel economy as a manual does, no less. And in reality, they usually get better fuel economy because they shift at optimal RPMs, something not all manual drivers do.

And i reality, when comparing the same vehicle/engine/ratio vehicle, EPA fuel economy is now generally 1-2 mpg better for automatics than their manual transmission counterparts.
05-10-2008 10:30 AM
juspimpin
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Originally Posted by soupy1957 View Post
"10-20% more fuel than the jeeps with manual tranny."

That ALONE (given today's gas prices) is enough reason to avoid an Automatic!!

-Soupy1957
...and the increased cost of the automatic at purchase time...


if manual is an option in any vehicle, that is what I opt for...
05-10-2008 09:44 AM
soupy1957 "10-20% more fuel than the jeeps with manual tranny."

That ALONE (given today's gas prices) is enough reason to avoid an Automatic!!

-Soupy1957
05-10-2008 09:26 AM
jpdocdave i much prefer manual. i love to hit the rocks. its harder to do, but if you're good i think you can do better on the rocks w/ manual. plus, i'm gonna have a remote throttle, don't tell anyone.
05-10-2008 08:54 AM
nicolas-eric my last two wranglers had a 5spd manual tranny.
my "new" wrangler has a 4spd auto tranny.

it doesnīt accellerate slower than the last jeeps and there is only one disadvantage. it needs 10-20% more fuel than the jeeps with manual tranny.
the advantage is that itīs more comfortable, i donīt have to use the clutch and i donīt have to shift anymore when there is more traffic or a traffic jam.
of the road itīs much better. the more difficult the terrain is the better it is with an auto tranny.

and the most important advantage:
i can use my right hand for everything else than shifting...especially my GF likes that...
05-10-2008 07:55 AM
soupy1957 <drives a 6-speed Manual, and has owned a few other "Manuals" as well....


It all boils down to:

A) How strong is your left leg
B) How strong is your right arm
C) How well do you do synchronized movements
D) How comfortable are you with low gear ratios
E) Do you like to start off from 2nd gear, most often


You might be a candidate for a manual if:

A) Your wife or girlfriend (or "boyfriend") thinks it's cool
B) Your kids or grandkids think it's cool
C) You like to move around a lot
D) You like better control in the snow and mud
E) You like telling your motor when YOU want to shift
F) You like better gas mileage
G) You get ticked off when the Automatic rev's to a higher
gear, half way up a steep hill
H) You like the feel of a shifter in your hands
I) (you fill in)________________________


-Soupy1957
05-09-2008 11:57 PM
MNPHINZ My Rubicon's a manual...love it.
05-09-2008 11:34 PM
Triple88a
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Originally Posted by StealthAWD View Post
oh..sorry, I will do a search.
No problem man, dont get me wrong, i'm just saying you can get more info much faster.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/tj-jeep...ual-17349.html
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