|05-08-2014 02:54 PM|
Well, he had to have the vehicle towed (probably to a dealer)...that of course meant the trailer was towed as well. So there will be a record of a trailer being towed....or at least at least with the vehicle (unless he was able to get another vehicle to tow the trailer away before the tow truck got there).
The weight could be an issue....and he may not want to admit to it. But if you were towing something like a boat and trailer that already came in at 3200 pounds dry....and you had 3 other people in the vehicle with when the tow truck came....well..it would be kind of hard to lie about how much you were towing.
|05-08-2014 12:01 PM|
Exactly. I talked to a guy at the local 1/4 mile track a year ago about his jeep Gc. He put a skylight in the block with a blower and nitrous. He said he was going to put it back to stock and get the warranty work done. I Lol'd.
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|05-08-2014 11:53 AM|
|05-08-2014 11:26 AM|
What happens if you get into an accident towing 4000lbs? The insurance isn't going to cover it. Also, I bet the lawyers of the other party will have a field day with it. In the worst case scenario. Say you end up killing someone in an accident while towing over 3500lbs. I wonder how that will play out in court. Could it be considered vehicular manslaughter?
|05-08-2014 08:54 AM|
|rcionni||Great information. What about HP, overheating and braking? Although my 2013 Rubicon unlimited with the max tow pkg can tow the 3500lb...It seems to struggle going up hills and the engine tempurature rises quickly. Braking seems weak as well. I was considering the Ripp supercharger and upgrading the brakes. Any advice?|
|08-23-2013 07:45 AM|
2 in ball
|08-22-2013 08:34 AM|
Interesting how my wife's 2003 Jeep Liberty is rated to 5000lbs but the JKU is only 3500lbs. Why? Because it's considered a convertible. In Europe the JKU is rated much higher. Same JKU that's sold here.
I pulled a single axle, no trailer brakes loaded to the max enclosed trailer (5000lbs) with the Liberty from CA to TN. Except for going over the rockies, I hardly knew it was back there. No problem pulling, no problem stopping.
The JKU should handle 4k easy.
|08-22-2013 08:09 AM|
You think "they don't make 'em like they used to" or "safety is for wimps"? Watch this:
|08-22-2013 08:01 AM|
|dav5942||aj-what hitch are you using? Saw JK pulling a 24' RV trailer.|
|08-22-2013 07:45 AM|
I happen to have a 12 rubicon with 4.10 on 35's and tow a V nose 24ft snow mobile trailer. Loaded it is right at 5000lb. I take 3 trips a year about 400 miles each She pulls fairly well at 68 mpr i get 9.5 mpg and will hold 5 gear with auto. Any faster Like 69 mpr I am in 4th and get 7.5 mpr I have a 2.5 in lift and extended Bump stops. with the correct amount of tung weight I am about .25 to .5 in off the Stops . When I loaded trailer with less tung weight the rear felt pretty Loose My guess is the real limit is how soft the rear suspension is. My long bump stops stiffen up the suspension to . I plan on installing a set of rear air bags You can order a set of Air bag inserts for the Rear of JK for around 100.00 on ebay. Then you could adjust the stiff ness of the rear..
This is just my experience. Tower be ware...
|09-07-2012 09:41 AM|
|JeeperJake||...we should also realize the US ratio of litigators/square mile versus any potential issue-at-law is higher than anywhere else in the world...|
|09-07-2012 09:02 AM|
|Gin||LOL but they no longer exist...|
|09-07-2012 08:42 AM|
Buy a Hummer H3 Alpha. They can tow 6,000 lbs.
|09-07-2012 08:33 AM|
|Gin||Wow! Well that's almost 1000 lbs more than North America specs...|
|09-06-2012 08:17 AM|
On the U.K. Website the towing rates are listed as follows for the 2012 w Penstar
Max towing with trailer braking system: 2000 Kg
Max Towing without a trailer braking system 750 Kg
1 Kg = 2.2Lbs
Given there is a margin of safety factor on official figures; you be the judge
|04-28-2012 07:19 PM|
Yup, a brick towing a brick must be terrible.
|04-26-2012 11:51 AM|
Wrangler tow capacity - >3500lbs outside USA
12JKUR had an interesting comment about Jeep Wranglers outside of the USA. I checked out the Jeep Australia website and found that the towing capacity of the Wrangler Unlimited was indeed almost 5000lbs!!
Compare Models - Wrangler Unlimited
The extremely limited towing capacity (specifically the trailer "frontal area") is the only reason I have not yet purchased a Wrangler. I had heard rumors that the towing issue was because of cooling system or brakes or whatever, but I guess the reason is liability related.
For those researching Wrangler towing capacity, be sure to see the "allowable frontal area" in the vehicle's manual - it is pathetic.
|04-09-2012 10:50 PM|
|04-09-2012 10:48 PM|
|Gin||Well, we already know that it can officially tow up to 3500 lbs. My JKU has a manual transmission. I dont think I need to add more cooling device, but I may be wrong on that one. For the 10000 lbs part... 100% sale pitch... But I still believe it could do it, but not for long though...|
|04-09-2012 10:46 PM|
|04-09-2012 10:33 PM|
|pasteris71||Gin, get that in writing! They are full of it. My dealer told me not to tow more than 3000 lbs and make sure I had a transmission cooler.|
|04-09-2012 10:03 PM|
|Gin||My dealer told me I would'nt have any trouble pulling my Kodiak RV (3100 lbs) and he told that if I wanted to I could easily pull a 10000 lbs boat off the water... then my mouth went down the floor.|
|04-09-2012 01:19 PM|
|tropical36||Wheel base is taken into account also and the JKU is still shorter than a lot of them out there. An equalizing system would help with the hitch weight. The OP suggests very short runs as a rule so if it were me, I'd go for it. Keep my speed down, etc...and I'm betting that nothing will break or fall off. Hopefully his trailer has a good braking system as well.|
|04-09-2012 12:46 PM|
|mslandsurveyor||One of the limiting factors that I can see for the JKU is the rating on the hitch. Ours came with a Class II with up to 3500 lbs. That, in and of itself, suggests a hardline of 3500lbs to me!|
|04-09-2012 11:04 AM|
Anyway, good to get the thread going again, with the OP to answer present or without them....
|04-09-2012 10:10 AM|
My bet is the OP is long gone!
That being said, the OP was under 3,500 lbs so no prob.
If he bought a JKU anywhere in the world except the US, he would be good to 5,000 lbs from what I understand. A US JKU can handle far more than 3,500 lbs.
If you were involved in a wreck or needed warranty work, and either ins or chrysler wanted a reason NOT to pay (that's what they do), youd be on your own.
Have heard of Toyotas blowing up engines if they were pushed a little, never heard of such a thing w/a jeep.
Good luck w/that F(ake)J(eep)
|04-08-2012 11:16 PM|
Speaking of WV, that's where this scenario mostly took place in the 60's and 70's. Now, we did have supplemental brakes for these things and a darn good thing. They were the hydraulic controlled electrics and typical of heavy RV travel trailers.
|04-08-2012 10:24 PM|
Tow rating is a few different factors...
- Engine/Power/Torque: sure, it's important
- Brakes: if you're gonna move it, you better stop it
- Suspension: if you hook it up, you better hold it up
- Cooling: you can move it, but how long?
- Safety factor: there's what your engineers tell you it will do...and what your lawyers say is "OK."
As an example, the BMW 335 with the N54 engine was designed for air cooled operation. Under hard use, it exceeded design parameters and would overheat, the engine would electronically limit its performance to prevent damage, no towing required. That's an engine with 300 hp and 300 lb-ft towing nothing at all - power is not everything.
Braking - what if you're towing in WV/UT/WY or somewhere with some hills...can you stop your trailer on your way down a 6%+ grade safely? I see threads on here where guys cannot stop just their Wrangler with slightly larger tires and stock brakes...what happens when you add a trailer? Something to consider here as well.
Suspension - maintaining control of the whole shebang is what your springs/shocks and rollbars, etc. do. Ride in an unloaded 3/4 pick-up with a tow package and you'll get a feel for how stiff a rear-end can be. However, the RTI score is likely to disappoint (the Power Wagon being a contrary example that shows what can be done if you desire both flex and the ability to tow an M1151).
If you want to tow with your Jeep, the key is identifying which factors limit the Jeep's performance and modifying them appropriately. If you don't want to bother and you have money to throw at the problem, you can upgrade the cooling, the brakes and go with a stiffer variable rate suspension.
|04-08-2012 09:37 PM|
Who weighed anything and where were towing capacities listed for the cars that people welded and bolted hitches on? Answer: No one cared. Not to mention, inadequate cooling systems, slipamatic auto transmissions, no oil coolers, etc... The biggest thing going for them, were some good solid frames and bumpers in most cases that still required some sort of rear suspension reinforcement to keep it off the ground and your lights out of the trees when driving at night, and just like overloaded pickups full of rocks or gravel...
As for insurance companies, they'll use any excuse not to pay.
|04-08-2012 08:59 PM|
I know this thread is a month old, found it searching for tow capacity.
My boss decided it was ok to tow a boat that slightly exceeded his tow capacity in a V6 Nissan Pathfinder and blew the engine. He tried all kinds of BS to get insurance to cover it and of course they didn't.
So yeah, don't be like my dumb ass boss: NEVER exceed towing capacity...
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