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09-30-2012 01:42 AM
bleveaux Update: I installed upgrade rear sway bar... huge difference. That and the softer shocks make a big difference Off-Road. I like it,a lot less traction hop and more articulation. I am definitely pleased with the X rough country lift. The front sway bar disconnects needed a little lock tite but otherwise no complaint. I amthinking a little body lift next but the 46 cj2a is the center of attention the winter.
05-05-2012 05:20 PM
bleveaux
sway bars

your right, I forgot that. Installed front adjustable trackbar and brackets and rear trackbar bracket. No bump steer or other issues with steering, which is why I was interested in sway bar upgrade which seems logical to me since the jeep is now about 5 inches higher and a bit softer. Just after anyones experience about upgraded sway bars. I am after the increased clearance which I got since it snows a lot around here, cuts down on winching time.
05-05-2012 01:40 PM
Imped You didn't mention the track bars or mounts, which is what I asked......

If you're using the 2.2 shocks, they are too soft and also don't dampen very well so that's not helping. There are plenty of small changes you could make to benefit handling, control and response but most aren't cheap and would require the removal of the parts you just paid for.
05-05-2012 12:58 PM
Jerry Bransford You installed a dropped Pitman arm, did you also install a dropped driver's side mount for the track bar? If not, that dropped Pitman arm has caused bump steer which will make your steering go left/right as you drive over bumps/dips in the road. The circumstances are rare and specific on a Wrangler TJ when a dropped Pitman arm should be installed. Otherwise, dropped Pitman arms should not be installed since they cause bump steer for typical suspension lifts.
05-05-2012 12:31 PM
bleveaux
sway bars

I installed the RC kit as per instructions. It has a dropped pitman arm. The front alignment is 1/16 toe in. The castor is set for optimum driveline angle which is recommended and I have no vibration. Overall the kit and transfer case mods went well, just a little more sway. The front sway bar is stock and I set it to be level when sitting flat with the kits adjustable bar links. The rear is stock, with supplied longer body links with the RC X kit. I was eyeing an aftermarket thicker bar set but they are not that much larger in diameter. The ride seems softer than stock, which is fine but we live in the mountains on a twisty mountain hiway and twisty dirt roads. more sway = more pucker
05-05-2012 11:22 AM
Jerry Bransford All I can say is there is ZERO benefit to removing or disconnecting the rear antiswaybar. In fact, doing so will actually decrease a Jeep's offroad performance and in some conditions, can make the Jeep easier to roll or flop onto it side. Period.
05-05-2012 10:43 AM
Imped
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Originally Posted by bleveaux View Post
I have installed a 4 inch RC X lift and a UCF tummy tuck with SYE and new driveshaft. it all works great for off road clearance and is a better ride. I however want to lessen the body roll as it is a little sloppier than before. what sway bars are the stiffest for driving performance faster than creep.
What modifications did you make to the track bars, track bar mounts, and pitman arm?
05-05-2012 10:35 AM
318101 I always run it that way.
05-04-2012 11:27 PM
bleveaux
sway bars

I have installed a 4 inch RC X lift and a UCF tummy tuck with SYE and new driveshaft. it all works great for off road clearance and is a better ride. I however want to lessen the body roll as it is a little sloppier than before. what sway bars are the stiffest for driving performance faster than creep.
04-27-2012 06:51 PM
Sherpa
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Originally Posted by Imped View Post
Have you personally ran them on both ends?
Nope.

I am not a suspension expert. I don't comprehend how it all works, and I make foolish choices when modifying my Jeep. So nobody should ever listen to me. But despite all that, having a balanced Jeep where both axles articulate equally does make a lot of sense to me.
04-27-2012 02:07 PM
TJDave I replaced my quick disconnects up front with the Currie Antirock. It is quite a difference off road. On the loosest setting, on road, I notice slightly more lean around corners, but it's no big deal. Drive it like a Jeep. It works great with the stock rear sway bar connected.

To add to the answers already given to the original question: No, do not disconnect your rear swaybar, or remove it. You have a TJ, not a leaf sprung YJ, or the rear end of a Cherokee. If you know what's best for a coil sprung Jeep, you'll leave that trick to those guys.

Here is my first hand experience: I broke one of my stock plastic/nylon rear swaybar links on a trail, pre-Antirock, while I was totally disconnected up front. Talk about a scary ride back to camp on the steep off camber trails in the PNW. I ended up re-connecting the front halfway down, just so I would not ruin a perfectly good pair of shorts.
04-27-2012 01:48 PM
Imped
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Originally Posted by Sherpa View Post
That's not exactly what Currie says on their web site:

Jeeps will have more body roll than stock. This Sway Bar may be used on the street, however it will not provide the same performance as the stock setup.

Just sayin'.
Have you personally ran them on both ends?

I'm well aware of what Currie says and what inexperienced people 'think.' Talk to people that actually use them, especially when paired with other modifications that tighten up the suspension, and you'll hear nothing but praise. And finally, the rear AR is stiffer than stock.....guessing you didn't catch that. I'd put my personal TJ up against anything else out there as one of the tightest, best-driving TJ's around and I've designed it and used parts that I feel make it so. I wouldn't revert back to stock sway bars for on or off-road use if you paid me so that should say something. I'd feel 100% confident in sitting someone that has never even driven anything but a little compact car in the driver's seat and tell them to go drive it like they stole it. Body roll is at an absolute minimum on my rig with AR's on both ends.
04-27-2012 01:26 PM
Sherpa
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Originally Posted by Imped View Post
AntiRocks front and rear is an amazing setup. Awesome handling on the road, awesome stability off it without doing a thing during the transition.
That's not exactly what Currie says on their web site:

Jeeps will have more body roll than stock. This Sway Bar may be used on the street, however it will not provide the same performance as the stock setup.

Just sayin'.
04-27-2012 11:50 AM
Imped There are resources out there that tell you how such things work. Here's Johnny boy himself describing in detail:

Currie Antirock Product Video - YouTube
04-27-2012 11:27 AM
Imped What do you mean? Isn't it pretty obvious how it works? It's a TORSION bar. It twists in a TORSIONAL manner. It's high-ductility heat treated solid rod so it can do that.
04-27-2012 11:22 AM
justin_brown How exactly does it work... how do you get the flex out of it
04-27-2012 11:16 AM
Imped Refer back to what I've already said in this thread, like post 19. What do you think?
04-27-2012 11:08 AM
justin_brown What it the best that you know of
04-27-2012 11:07 AM
Imped Lesson learned. When it's got the name Skyjacker involved, you can always bank on there being much better products out there.
04-27-2012 11:05 AM
justin_brown Ive got the sky jacker... My grand parents got it for me for Christmas... I didn't know there was anything better at the time
04-27-2012 11:03 AM
Imped Skyjacker Rocklock? Just a fancy, overpriced pair of quick disconnect links. Very dumb.

ORO SwayLoc? Dual rate sway bar that works well. I'm not a fan but it's not a bad product....I just prefer the KISS principle.

Or something else? Post up a picture.
04-27-2012 10:50 AM
justin_brown [QUOTE="Imped"]
Maybe I'm not understanding....but you have a front AntiRock with a what?

its not anti rock its some purge Co. and I can completely dis engage it
04-27-2012 10:41 AM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by Imped

Just to add a little credit to that statement......

That's when I was running a completely different suspension setup and still running the stock rear sway bar but I had broken a sway bar link earlier in the day so it wasn't doing anything for me. I firmly believe it wouldn't have gone over if that bar was helping me out.
Oops
04-27-2012 10:40 AM
Imped
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Originally Posted by Cons_Table View Post
U may look into putting one on, in a tough situation, a rear sway bar may be the difference between all 4 tires on the ground or a flop.
Just to add a little credit to that statement......



That's when I was running a completely different suspension setup and still running the stock rear sway bar but I had broken a sway bar link earlier in the day so it wasn't doing anything for me. I firmly believe it wouldn't have gone over if that bar was helping me out.
04-27-2012 10:36 AM
Imped
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Originally Posted by 91badass View Post
Ok, I was way off, it gets rid of the rear track bar. I've been out 3 times on some decent trails and no issues, doing John Bull this weekend, should be a good test.
There you go.

You don't need a track bar to laterally constrain the axle because the triangulation between the upper arms take care of that.

And just to add to the sway bar discussion and how it relates to suspension: an aftermarket or custom single triangulated 4 link will normally raise the roll axis height of the rig, which = less body roll. That means that you'll feel less of a difference on the road between having a sway bar and not having one. That doesn't mean it's any less important, though. That's why one's "feel" on the subject needs to be taken out of the equation and replaced by logic and what's actually going on.
04-27-2012 10:36 AM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by 91badass
According to Rock Krawler, the 4 link long arm kit I have removes the need for the rear sway bar.
Both the 5.5 triple threat and the 5.5 x factor kits come with extended rear links. They say that their triangulated 4 link rear removes the need for a track bar...but they never mentioned getting rid of the sway bar. U may look into putting one on, in a tough situation, a rear sway bar may be the difference between all 4 tires on the ground or a flop.

Edit: looks like u found that information on the sway bar
04-27-2012 10:29 AM
Imped
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Originally Posted by justin_brown View Post
I have one of those in the front... With a quick disco switch...
Maybe I'm not understanding....but you have a front AntiRock with a what?
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Originally Posted by justin_brown View Post
would it be worth my while to get one for the back?
AntiRocks front and rear is an amazing setup. Awesome handling on the road, awesome stability off it without doing a thing during the transition.
04-27-2012 10:28 AM
91badass
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Originally Posted by Imped View Post
That's completely incorrect. Instead of taking their word for it, why not determine why they would think that? Whatever their reasoning, I don't buy it because it just holds no weight.

Hint: The number of links and way in which they're mounted has nothing to do with the function of a sway bar.
Ok, I was way off, it gets rid of the rear track bar. I've been out 3 times on some decent trails and no issues, doing John Bull this weekend, should be a good test.
04-27-2012 10:22 AM
justin_brown
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Originally Posted by JPi1

Yes it will. Heres a couple of the front:
I have one of those in the front... With a quick disco switch... would it be worth my while to get one for the back?
04-27-2012 09:59 AM
Imped
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Originally Posted by 91badass View Post
According to Rock Krawler, the 4 link long arm kit I have removes the need for the rear sway bar.
That's completely incorrect. Instead of taking their word for it, why not determine why they would think that? Whatever their reasoning, I don't buy it because it just holds no weight.

Hint: The number of links and way in which they're mounted has nothing to do with the function of a sway bar.
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