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05-02-2012 04:33 AM
2002TJ Yeah, after beating it to death, I've decided on the Miller 625.

I'll print this out and tote it into the local welding supplier who sells Miller...

Miller Spectrum 625 X-TREME Plasma Cutter w/XT40 Torch 907531

I'll drop it on the counter and say, "Hello Boss, I want this plasma cutter if you can get it for me, this exact one.....Please take a look and see if you have it in stock or can get it...I'ma shop for a few things I need while I'm here and I ain't in no hurry." LOL, that usually works just about anywhere in town.....

Then when he says he can't match it, I'll offer $1,600 plus sales tax...The worst he can say is 'no'.
05-02-2012 03:20 AM
2002TJ
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Originally Posted by Ibuildembig View Post
I buy nothing but blue and never look back!
Shucks..I'm really leanin toward the Miller Spectrum 625 X-TREME with XT40 Torch.

Spectrum® 625 X-TREME

I got to looking at my sales receipt for the gas bottles...They charged me $95 for 75CF Acetylene bottle, and $125 for a 125CF Oxygen bottle, then $32 to fill the Acetylene and $15 to fill the Oxygen bottle...And those bottles are now mine, and they don't charge to recertify them, just refill as priced above...That's damn good prices, heh?

So ok, I'll ease in there later this month and get a large Argon/CO2 bottle for the mig and see if they will go $1600 cash on the Miller out the door. Looking at internet pricing with free shipping and no sales taxes, I bet they do it....If they don't, I can save a few bucks buying it from Cyberweld, but would rather buy local.
05-01-2012 02:36 PM
Ibuildembig I buy nothing but blue and never look back!
05-01-2012 02:30 PM
2002TJ
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Originally Posted by rrich View Post
It's like most things - price and quality are opposites.
Go quality - it's something you'll have for many years.

YOU SOON FORGET PRICE, POOR QUALITY YOU NEVER FORGET.
YUP! Yaknow, those Longevity and Everlast rigs seem to be identical Chinese imports just a different color. They market them WAY too hard, and pay Google to bury the poor reviews by forcing their sales sites and their own forums to the top. They got all the bells and whistles, but when talking to them, it's all marketing and sales pitch, plus they have constant new models-too many changes too fast to ever be able to support you when their stuff breaks.

I want something I can take to town and set on the dealer's counter when it needs work, with no shipping and waiting, even if it is imported inside, as long as it has USA brand on the case and a local sales/service counter nearby, I'm good with it.
05-01-2012 01:06 PM
rrich It's like most things - price and quality are opposites.
Go quality - it's something you'll have for many years.

YOU SOON FORGET PRICE, POOR QUALITY YOU NEVER FORGET.
04-30-2012 09:11 PM
2002TJ
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Originally Posted by nastyrider17 View Post
I got a Hypertherm powermax30. Picked it up for about 1100 new. The thickest I've cut so far was 1/4 and it sliced it no problem with as much accuracy and speed as my hands have. The consumable life is very long, though I do run filter on the back of the machine. It is an extremely compact unit and came with a shoulder strap as well. If you read my build thread you probably already saw this picture, but for those who haven't, the lettering is cut from 1/4 and the other pieces are 3/16. This was one of the first things I cut with it and have since gotten much more steady.
I want the Hypertherm 45 BAD, and I mean BAD....Cancelled the Everlast.....Maybe the Hypertherm next month
04-30-2012 07:40 PM
nastyrider17 I got a Hypertherm powermax30. Picked it up for about 1100 new. The thickest I've cut so far was 1/4 and it sliced it no problem with as much accuracy and speed as my hands have. The consumable life is very long, though I do run filter on the back of the machine. It is an extremely compact unit and came with a shoulder strap as well. If you read my build thread you probably already saw this picture, but for those who haven't, the lettering is cut from 1/4 and the other pieces are 3/16. This was one of the first things I cut with it and have since gotten much more steady.
04-30-2012 07:26 PM
jgorm
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Originally Posted by 2002TJ View Post
That thang is pure sex! They sure proud of it tho....Check out their youtube commercial vids about it
yeah. They have reason to be proud, its one of the few plasma cutters that comes with a shoulder strap! It looks like a toy, but has balls.
04-30-2012 06:33 PM
2002TJ
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Originally Posted by jgorm View Post
I have a torch, and have used it a lot, but it sucks on anything thinner than about 1/8", even with a 00 tip. I want one of these bad! Cutting stainless and aluminum is another huge advantage of a plasma torch over an OA torch.
That thang is pure sex! They sure proud of it tho....Check out their youtube commercial vids about it
04-30-2012 06:29 PM
2002TJ

The mig worked great welding the chain hooks to the thin tube, and also the bottom plate to the heavy angle iron....The Harbor Freight oxy/fuel rig cuts really smoothly, as good in quality as Victor.




Glad I got the Hobart and Harbor Freight rigs....these are going to come in handy on the TJ....

Now for the plasma cutter
04-30-2012 03:26 PM
jgorm I have a torch, and have used it a lot, but it sucks on anything thinner than about 1/8", even with a 00 tip. I want one of these bad! Cutting stainless and aluminum is another huge advantage of a plasma torch over an OA torch.
04-30-2012 03:15 PM
2002TJ
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Originally Posted by kfdjason7620 View Post
Here's mine!! 10'x20' cutting area, 250 amp, and 2.5" stainless steel thickness cutting capacity!
But all jokes aside, we have Miller hand plasmas, but they are damn good but dam expensive
I'm jealous
04-30-2012 01:23 PM
kfdjason7620 Here's mine!! 10'x20' cutting area, 250 amp, and 2.5" stainless steel thickness cutting capacity!
But all jokes aside, we have Miller hand plasmas, but they are damn good but dam expensive
04-30-2012 01:00 PM
2002TJ Well anyway, I went by the welding supply house today intending to lease bottles. Nope! they sold them to me for $140 each filled with gas. That's a 120CF 02, and an 80CF Ace...Told me to figure $60 total to have them both refilled..That's really good prices compared to what others pay elsewhere.

So for almost exactly $400 total, I got a decent oxy/fuel rig including cart.
04-29-2012 10:23 PM
2002TJ
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Originally Posted by rrich View Post
i used a torch for many many years, then finally bought a plasma cutter. I use it more than my torches now. If you know what you are doing, it leaves very little dross (burned dingleberries on the underside,) requiring very little or no dress-up grinding, cuts a smaller kerf (the width of the cut itself,) -- and you can even use wood templates and guides to cut around - even cardboard if you don't linger. I've even used a double layer of masking tape as a guide! No way you can do that with a torch!

The cut is so clean it's almost weld ready! You don't have to grind the burned dross off - it all blew off into your shoe! Lol!

I love it, but it does not replace a good torch or a good bandsaw or grinders. It has it's place, a big place!

Sheet metal does not warp like with a torch - you aren't there long enough to heat the surrounding area. And, after you cut, it's almost cool to the touch! - the hot part blew right off - gone! Floor panels become so easy.

Something i've found - the instructions say to use about 30 lbs of air pressure - i use about double that.

The air has to be dry air! That's very important
once you set the air pressure you don't have to touch it again - so a back panel regulator is fine.

And - don't linger, go fast for a nice cut.
Too high a power setting for the material makes the cut sloppy. Keep it turned down.

Consumables are much cheaper than gas. There's all kinds of little goodies you can buy or make as guides to hold the tip away the right distance. If you don't drag the tip it doesn't clog up. The spacing and air pressure blows the junk away.

Aluminum, brass, most anything conductive cuts as good as steel. They say gold and silver too - but i've never tried it. Lol!

My only regret is i bought a 30 amp - it's does 3/16 easy, it can do 3/8 but it's not as clean. 1/2 you have to work at it. I should have gone bigger (isn't that always the case anyway?)

i should have got one years ago. My next dream tool - a laser cutter and table! I just missed a good one that went real cheap at an estate sale. Keep your eyes open, the deals are out there!
thank you!
04-29-2012 09:54 PM
rrich BTW I think I paid about $1200 for it without shopping around. I built my own cart for it.
When I finally decided to get it I didn't shop for price - I just said "put it in my truck!" I could have saved a few bucks shopping around, but I had a job to do with it that afternoon (some corral fencing.) It took about 5 minutes to "get the hang of it."

It's a THERMO DYNAMICS. Made in USA!!!!!!!!!!! - Vermont I think

Use the same goggles you'd wear with a torch, dark green for steel, dark blue for aluminum. I love flip-ups. Overhead use a complete face shield - 45,000 degrees is HOT!
04-29-2012 09:08 PM
rrich I used a torch for many many years, then FINALLY bought a plasma cutter. I use it more than my torches now. If you know what you are doing, it leaves very little Dross (burned dingleberries on the underside,) requiring very little or no dress-up grinding, cuts a smaller kerf (the width of the cut itself,) -- AND you can even use wood templates and guides to cut around - even cardboard if you don't linger. I've even used a double layer of masking tape as a guide! No way you can do that with a torch!

The cut is so clean it's almost weld ready! You don't have to grind the burned dross off - it all blew off into your shoe! LOL!

I love it, but it does not replace a GOOD torch or a good bandsaw or grinders. It has it's place, a big place!

Sheet metal does not warp like with a torch - you aren't there long enough to heat the surrounding area. And, after you cut, it's almost cool to the touch! - the hot part blew right off - gone! Floor panels become so easy.

Something I've found - the instructions say to use about 30 lbs of air pressure - I use about double that.

The air HAS TO BE DRY AIR! That's very important
Once you set the air pressure you don't have to touch it again - so a back panel regulator is fine.

And - don't linger, go fast for a nice cut.
Too high a power setting for the material makes the cut sloppy. keep it turned down.

Consumables are much cheaper than gas. There's all kinds of little goodies you can buy or make as guides to hold the tip away the right distance. If you don't drag the tip it doesn't clog up. The spacing and air pressure blows the junk away.

Aluminum, brass, most anything conductive cuts as good as steel. They say gold and silver too - but I've never tried it. LOL!

My only regret is I bought a 30 amp - it's does 3/16 easy, it can do 3/8 but it's not as clean. 1/2 you have to work at it. I should have gone bigger (isn't that always the case anyway?)

I should have got one years ago. My next dream tool - a laser cutter and table! I just missed a good one that went real cheap at an estate sale. Keep your eyes open, the deals are out there!
04-29-2012 05:01 PM
Ibuildembig If your just making brackets, a vertical bandsaw is the berries
04-29-2012 03:51 PM
2002TJ
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Originally Posted by Black Magic Brakes View Post
Trust me I know. I had the smaller model of the same plasma cutter which I could drag and loved that aspect of it. I made a good friend a very good deal on it when I bought the larger one. I was sad when I discovered the arc short circuit which pretty much killed the drag it along the straight edge for making nicer cuts.
LOL, then I'll keep that in mind like I do when using Oxy/Fuel rig to cut...Ok, don't touch the work surface to prevent popping and sputter out.

...I ain't yet a welder, but I got years using oxy/fuel to cut n braze and heat and bend.

Hey, I'ma 35+ year residential and industrial A/C Mech....Oxy/Fuel, propane and Mapp is second nature to me, just never owned my own rig....Now if I can just steal the gas, I'll be set

My whole reason for Plasma is I HATE the idea of running to town to refill gas bottles, especially when I work shifts and the rest of the world keeps banker's hours while I sleep...It's normal for me to be out in the shop@ 3am and deep into something while you sillyvillians sleep and screw....and besides, I live out in the woods and it's a long way to town, yaknow?

I wanna be able to cut pieces out with super sharp accuracy and minimize grinding and prep before fabrication.....I understand if cuttin off installed components due to torch head clearance, I'll be better served to use gas, but gas is expensive and a pain to get refilled most times for me...I'ma dark night troll shift worker
04-29-2012 02:52 PM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by 2002TJ View Post

Black Magic, these new rigs don't short if you drag the tip across the work piece...the consumables don't last as long dragging, but they are becoming generic and lots cheaper now-a-days.
Trust me I know. I had the smaller model of the same plasma cutter which I could drag and loved that aspect of it. I made a good friend a very good deal on it when I bought the larger one. I was sad when I discovered the arc short circuit which pretty much killed the drag it along the straight edge for making nicer cuts.
04-29-2012 12:19 PM
2002TJ
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Originally Posted by Ibuildembig View Post
^^^^be careful with those, I had two of them leak like a mofo after a week and one exploded in my paint booth
Oh, fersure it'll get it's input AFTER my compressors built-in regulator...it will never see more than 80 psi inlet pressure....I'm a NB commissioned boiler/pressure vessel inspector.....I always set my compressor cycle switches to 80 on/100 off psi....Yeah, they come set up to 200 PSI, but I've seen the damage an air compressor tank can do when it ruptures, besides if you buy a big nuff pump, who needs all that extra and the motor/pump lasts longer working against lower pressure.
04-29-2012 11:08 AM
2002TJ
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Originally Posted by KrzyMoke View Post
Mortalis,

I am still looking for the right Gas Rig. I don't need 5' bottles sittin in my garage
Fersure run down to Harbor Freight today or tomorrow and check out their heavy duty gas rig(without bottles)...I know MANY folks who run it and they would buy it again at full price...It's the one in the grey box, not black....you can do small bottles thru you gas supplier.
04-29-2012 11:03 AM
2002TJ
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Originally Posted by Mortalis5509 View Post
Welding Machine, Welder, Welding Supplies, Welders, Welding Equipment

they post on pirate 4x4 under the vendor section.
Yeah, I looked hard at the Longevity rigs. Almost pulled the trigger on one...Got to reading deeper and lots of dissatisfaction out there and many rigs failing riight out to the box. Longevity warrants them quick, but guys are out shipping and waiting....Might be as bad with the Everlast seeing how they are also imported, but I can't find much bad about them.

Black Magic, these new rigs don't short if you drag the tip across the work piece...the consumables don't last as long dragging, but they are becoming generic and lots cheaper now-a-days.
04-29-2012 10:56 AM
KrzyMoke
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Originally Posted by Mortalis5509 View Post
Welding Machine, Welder, Welding Supplies, Welders, Welding Equipment

they post on pirate 4x4 under the vendor section.
Mortalis,

Nice find. That ForceCut 50D is really sweet. I am Definitely going to add that to my wish list. The only fab item I have is a small Lincoln SP-135 combo mig and it is perfect for the diy weekend wheeler and I am still looking for the right Gas Rig. I don't need 5' bottles sittin in my garage

PO,

Definitely check out his link and look at the 50D.
04-29-2012 10:56 AM
Ibuildembig ^^^^be careful with those, I had two of them leak like a mofo after a week and one exploded in my paint booth
04-29-2012 10:30 AM
2002TJ Mrblaine, I agree on the necessity of a good filter dryer for plasma..I'm pipin this one now to my old compressor. Probably shift it to the new freebie compressor I got last night.
04-29-2012 10:23 AM
2002TJ

See? LOL, guys

Hey, if you in the market for a decent gas rig, Hurry to HF...Get on web and print out their special web only coupons that expire tomorrow, then get down to the store by tomorrow and you can use the extra 20% off coupon they started today-the cashier used BOTH 20% off coupons for me just now%...That's their heavy duty gas rig there in the pic..it normally goes on sale for $199, but I walked out this morning with it for $103...in fact everything you see there was 260 bucks....including cart.

That's another one of their 4.5" angle grinders. I got 4 of them now cause I hate stoppin to change discs/wire wheels, so I just keep one of each type on another grinder...it was 11.99 today even tho it was already on sale for 14.99
04-29-2012 09:10 AM
Ibuildembig I used to have a big plasma that would cut 1/2" stainless but it kept shorting out, still had to grind, and the consumables were out of this world in price. I ended up burning up the transformer in it, sold it at a swap meet for 100 bucks and never looked back. A torch and a vertical bandsaw is what I would suggest.
04-29-2012 08:53 AM
Black Magic Brakes
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Originally Posted by 2002TJ View Post
With due respect to all here, please consider that I NEVER said I'm not getting an oxy/fuel rig....In fact, I'm picking one up today. After all, you can't heat/bend/solder/braze with plasma, can you?

I was asking IF anyone had good/bad things to say about any of the plasma rigs in the weight class I was shopping.
I use a 380. It's supposedly good for 3/8" steel. It's slow on 1/4", the consumables don't last as long as I'd like, but I'm not really on top of my water elimination in the compressed air source, so that's my fault.

The arc short circuits when you ground the tip, so it's annoying to use at times.
04-29-2012 06:25 AM
2002TJ With due respect to all here, please consider that I NEVER said I'm not getting an oxy/fuel rig....In fact, I'm picking one up today. After all, you can't heat/bend/solder/braze with plasma, can you?

I was asking IF anyone had good/bad things to say about any of the plasma rigs in the weight class I was shopping.
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