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05-03-2012 11:29 PM
auburnJEEP
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Originally Posted by OutlawJK View Post
Thanks for posting the window sticker
I have MAX tow but mine does not show trailer sway control
Nice to see they included it
sure, I am happy the dealer is making good--nice to see some honest car dealers
05-03-2012 08:22 PM
OutlawJK Thanks for posting the window sticker
I have MAX tow but mine does not show trailer sway control
Nice to see they included it
05-03-2012 06:54 PM
auburnJEEP
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Originally Posted by Up Hill Bill View Post
My 2012 with auto and 3.73s looks about like 2000 RPM dead on at 60 MPH. But, you are relying on the accuracy of both the speedo and the tack, so, it can be hard to tell. Yours sounds to close to tell.

You might try holding it in 3rd and then at 3000 RPM:

50 MPH = 4.10
54 MPH = 3.73

As you can see, the ratios are so close it can be hard to tell. I chose 3.73s after much research, over the 4.10s. I don't plan to go bigger than 33" tires, and am not a dedicated rock crawler. 4.10 is mighty deep gearing on the auto 2012 for anything under 35" tires, IMO.
Thanks--eventually we are going bigger so I wanted the gearing up front. I live about 70 miles from North Lake Tahoe, so lots of rocks all around for the family

The dealer has been very good. He admitted they made a mistake during ordering and offered to fix it anyway I saw fit and put it in writing. We will just keep the jeep and have new gears installed. They work with an offroad shop that apparenlty does good work. He said they will install them there.

Thanks everyone for the help.
05-03-2012 03:37 PM
Up Hill Bill
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Originally Posted by auburnJEEP View Post
Well I tried this. RPM at 60mph is slighty above 2K in 5th gear with the auto. How accuate is the tach? I don't have a lot of flat land around here so this is hard to hold steady.
My 2012 with auto and 3.73s looks about like 2000 RPM dead on at 60 MPH. But, you are relying on the accuracy of both the speedo and the tack, so, it can be hard to tell. Yours sounds to close to tell.

You might try holding it in 3rd and then at 3000 RPM:

50 MPH = 4.10
54 MPH = 3.73

As you can see, the ratios are so close it can be hard to tell. I chose 3.73s after much research, over the 4.10s. I don't plan to go bigger than 33" tires, and am not a dedicated rock crawler. 4.10 is mighty deep gearing on the auto 2012 for anything under 35" tires, IMO.
05-03-2012 03:18 PM
auburnJEEP
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Originally Posted by lee indy View Post
tell them to order you a new one
yeah, then I have to wait another 2 months......
05-03-2012 02:37 PM
auburnJEEP
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Originally Posted by Up Hill Bill View Post
You can verify your gear ratio physically.

At 60 MPH:

1950 RMP = 3.73 Axles

2140 RMP = 4.10 Axles.

(assuming stock 255/75/17 tires)

Then you will know for sure and not have to deal with conflicting paperwork and dealer BS.....
Well I tried this. RPM at 60mph is slighty above 2K in 5th gear with the auto. How accuate is the tach? I don't have a lot of flat land around here so this is hard to hold steady.
05-03-2012 01:29 PM
lee indy tell them to order you a new one
05-03-2012 01:16 PM
auburnJEEP My customer agreement for the build clearly states 4.10 axle ratio
05-03-2012 01:13 PM
lee indy sounds like.
05-03-2012 01:10 PM
auburnJEEP Then my dealer is an idiot and they need to swap gears.....
05-03-2012 01:09 PM
auburnJEEP "i thought the 4.10s were factory on a rubi and part of the max tow package"

That is what I was told when I ordered it, but Crysler verified 3.73 in my build?
05-03-2012 01:06 PM
Up Hill Bill
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Originally Posted by auburnJEEP View Post
That's strange. Well, here is the sticker. I removed the dealer info.

Attachment 119373

According to the sticker, you should have 3.73 gears. (Your dealer is a idiot, by the way!)

3.73s are standard on Rubicons with the auto tranny. 4.10 is a $50 option, and would be listed in the right hand column of your window sticker. Max tow (AHT) does not add 4.10s as many think.

4.10 is standard on the Rubicon with the manual transmission only
05-03-2012 12:59 PM
lee indy i thought the 4.10s were factory on a rubi and part of the max tow package
05-03-2012 12:51 PM
auburnJEEP
sticker

That's strange. Well, here is the sticker. I removed the dealer info.

Attachment 119373
05-03-2012 12:31 PM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by auburnJEEP
When did they stop marking the diffs?
They stopped with the JK.
05-03-2012 12:28 PM
auburnJEEP When did they stop marking the diffs?
05-03-2012 12:21 PM
auburnJEEP Thanks, I wont give up on it-- for good or bad my wife calls me a hard-ass. I always try to be nice but firm.
05-03-2012 12:17 PM
auburnJEEP thanks, I'll try looking at the RPM at 60mph as well.
05-03-2012 12:17 PM
daggo66 Very odd that they stopped listing it. Do sports and saharas still show it?
05-03-2012 12:15 PM
auburnJEEP It's not on the sticker. It seems like they are working with me. If they don't make good I will post the sticker.
05-03-2012 12:14 PM
Up Hill Bill
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
Something is odd if it's not on the window sticker. Can you scan and post the sticker?
Whoa....! Knowing that the gear ratio is listed on the window sticker, like daggo suggests, I looked at the sticker of a 2012 Rubicon currently for sale at my local dealer.... and I don't see the gear ratio anywhere!

It's on my early 2012 Rubi window sticker. What gives?

Attachment 119364
05-03-2012 12:13 PM
auburnJEEP Ok, I finally got a call back. They are telling me that they orderd it with 4.10s and it should have 4.10s according to their paperwork. They are going to try and verify with Crysler. It sounds like they will try and make good on it, so I will see what they say before i become a hard-ass.

To varify, I tried rotaing the tier and counting driveshaft revolutions, but I'm not sure given 3.73 and 4.10 are so close together. It looks like it is revolving ~4 times?
05-03-2012 11:57 AM
daggo66 Something is odd if it's not on the window sticker. Can you scan and post the sticker?
05-03-2012 11:56 AM
Up Hill Bill
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Originally Posted by auburnJEEP View Post
It was on the order form in writing. The sticker did not display any gear ratios. I was told in person it had the correct ratio. After the car was dropped off at my house, I looked for the tags on the diffs, but could not find them. ...
You can verify your gear ratio physically.

At 60 MPH:

1950 RMP = 3.73 Axles

2140 RMP = 4.10 Axles.

(assuming stock 255/75/17 tires)

Then you will know for sure and not have to deal with conflicting paperwork and dealer BS.....
05-03-2012 11:45 AM
Silverton34 I believe the argument is between you and the dealer not Chrysler. If it is documented well on your order they should either get you a different vehicle or change out the gears. It might take a judge to get it done though. Be persistent but nice through the entire transaction and DO NOT give up.
05-03-2012 11:26 AM
FireMedic1343
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
If it was a point of contention when you ordered it, I can't possibly understand why you wouldn't have verified it before taking delivery.
I guess that's helpful to future Jeep buyers. But to the OP, I'd say investigate further, and don't give up. You may have to go to small claims, you may only break even, but it would be the right thing to do imho.
05-03-2012 11:26 AM
auburnJEEP It was on the order form in writing. The sticker did not display any gear ratios. I was told in person it had the correct ratio. After the car was dropped off at my house, I looked for the tags on the diffs, but could not find them. I called Crysler. They stated they should swap them out. If they don't I can file a complaint with Crysler and they will follow up on it. If they don't make good, then I will use small claims. Thanks
05-03-2012 06:48 AM
daggo66 If it was a point of contention when you ordered it, I can't possibly understand why you wouldn't have verified it before taking delivery.
05-03-2012 06:17 AM
JandS
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Originally Posted by auburnJEEP View Post
Well, I logged into Jeep.com. It said I have 3.73 gear ratio. I ordered 4.10s. I even asked them to verify it before shipping the Jeep out. If this turns out to be true I will have to ask them to make good on their mistake.

Anyone else have this happen? Did they install the correct gears or did they try and make you live with it?
If you start by asking them to order you a new Jeep, they will probably be happy to compromise on a re-gear.

If they won't, use small claims court.
05-03-2012 12:18 AM
auburnJEEP Well, I logged into Jeep.com. It said I have 3.73 gear ratio. I ordered 4.10s. I even asked them to verify it before shipping the Jeep out. If this turns out to be true I will have to ask them to make good on their mistake.

Anyone else have this happen? Did they install the correct gears or did they try and make you live with it?
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