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05-29-2012 10:22 AM
fenrir
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Originally Posted by alice the cat View Post
My only other non-Jeep passion has not been mentioned. I have had 4 H1's and really like them for what they are. They are relatives to the Jeep as well

this is a prime "american" example of why the jeep should always be high on a list of capable 4x4s. AM General H1 originaly built to replace the original jeep, had to meet standards set by the original jeep. Land Rover, originaly built on a jeep frame, not much more modification than building a custom aluminum body after the original jeep body had rusted off. the original jeep pretty much created the class and the brits would be wise to pay homage to were their "super" 4x4 came from cus it wouldent exist without the jeep
05-29-2012 05:19 AM
GiantSchnauzer Warning!!!! the webpage from this link from post above 5 Best Overland Expedition Vehicles in North Americ(spelled wrong so you dont click it by mistake) has a trojan embeddit in it.!!!!!


FYI
05-28-2012 03:29 PM
krutj Well here's a review...bought my 2dr JK brand new, and in 2.5 yrs we've got 70k. Running in just about any condition imaginable, except the desert....Zero...repeat, Zero mechanical failures, still running the original BFG KM's and brake pads....

I could have purchased any vehicle that I desired when I bought the JK....fact is, I did not want to be without a Wrangler, ah, the most easily modified, repaired, and all around best vehicle for pretty much any purpose imaginable.....

I also don't buy into the "opinion" of the idiot Toyota freak, that ity takes $15k to make a JK into a good adventure vehicle.....but, even it if did, the JK would still come in at less $$$ that all those other vehicles mentioned in the idiots post...So Mr. Toyota idiot....you don't even want to go there......better yet, go away...
05-28-2012 12:25 PM
LauriLindsay Clarkson & Hammond are DICKS ! 5th gear is a much better auto show. That said I would love a 108 Landrover.
05-28-2012 10:23 AM
Grizzly-Chris
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Originally Posted by snikt View Post
I watch Top Gear a lot, and I'm curious. They are always going on about Range Rovers, Land Cruisers, Mercedes G class wagon, etc... I don't think I've ever seen them test anything Jeep.

Is this just British bias? I'm curious how like a JKUR would shape up vs these expensive vehicles in a purely off-road sense
Back to the op,
How can the Top Gear be British biased when none of the listed 4x4's are really British.
I live a 5 minute drive from the solihull Land Rover factory so I have many friends and family who work there I even foolishly turned a spanner there myself for a short time, so yes we make them like we make many other cars but hardly any car that's built here have been British owned for many years. Even a lot of the parts for Land Rover products come from other countries it's just assembled in England.
German BMW have owned Land Rover, When Ford owned it there was always rumours going around the factory it may be moved to the US to be built, now the Indian company Tata own Land Rover.
I've owned many wranglers over the years and would love to see them on Top Gear but unfortunately Wranglers just aren't very popular in England were the Op list of 4x4's are, mainly down to them being easier and cheaper to buy and run.
I agreed a lot with SEACOMMS reply #83(Downunder Dave) earlier comments until I read his last statement, then realised his intellect was the same as the most famous thing to come from Austrailia which was a Kangaroo called Skippy.
What else Has Austrailia done for this world, its given us Kylie who now lives in London, it's not added nothing of use to the world just idiots like Downunder Dave and if the world was a doughnut, Austrailia would be the hole, so I'd rather be a British W*nker than an Aussie.
05-28-2012 09:08 AM
IndyJeepMan
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Originally Posted by HK_Runner
Well, at around 8,500 lbs, I suppose I should have called the H2 a lumbering Behemoth and not a Beast.

I do not rock-crawl, so IFS suits my needs just fine and is a lot more composed at speed. Heck, I took my 4Runner (V8, Center Diff Lock, FJ TRD suspension) to Moab and it did very well and it is way more composed on faster rough roads at speeds that I could not maintain on my JK. The FJ does a bit better than my 4R. I think articulation and rock crawling is where the IFS falls behind, while faster stuff (like desert racing, fireroads, gravel roads, etc.) IFS is just a lot faster and more composed.

I'd really like to keep my Jeep, and add a Land Cruiser and Range Rover to the collection, and rig them up nicely. If only I come into some money.....
Just busting your chops. Thats where IFS is better than SA is when youre doing more quick jarring, multiple rut driving like rally. Id take IFS all day.
05-28-2012 06:23 AM
Abdul-Hakeem
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Originally Posted by pkmcd99 View Post
Hakeem,

Are the wranglers white? Just like 90% of all the other vehicles...lol
Hahaha, you know Saudi I see. Most vehicles were white or light brown before. The Wranglers, FJs and Hummers are all a variety of colors though. The Wrangler dealer here had only a few colors available, we don't have the full choice, so unfortunately they can't all be white.

I have a black one which, while a nice color, is not really the best for a hot and sunny country. The good news is that the soft top seems to prevent the car from becoming an oven while parked. The white Hyundai I drove before was much worse in that respect.
05-28-2012 01:36 AM
HK_Runner Oh, my buddy picked this up a while ago (he is a mall crawler, sadly) and I think it looks fantastic and hear it does extremely well offroad. Not sure what year though. After two disastrous LR Discovery experiences, he got the Defender.
05-28-2012 01:28 AM
HK_Runner Well, at around 8,500 lbs, I suppose I should have called the H2 a lumbering Behemoth and not a Beast.

I do not rock-crawl, so IFS suits my needs just fine and is a lot more composed at speed. Heck, I took my 4Runner (V8, Center Diff Lock, FJ TRD suspension) to Moab and it did very well and it is way more composed on faster rough roads at speeds that I could not maintain on my JK. The FJ does a bit better than my 4R. I think articulation and rock crawling is where the IFS falls behind, while faster stuff (like desert racing, fireroads, gravel roads, etc.) IFS is just a lot faster and more composed.

I'd really like to keep my Jeep, and add a Land Cruiser and Range Rover to the collection, and rig them up nicely. If only I come into some money.....
05-28-2012 12:56 AM
rics1997
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Originally Posted by HK_Runner View Post
I really do like several vehicles but here is my take:

Landcruiser: Awesome but a bit big and heavy. Still a fantastically reliable and capable workhorse. Expensive.

Land Rover Range Rover: Nice as well and I find them very cool, though nothing is as reliable as a Landcruiser overall. Expensive new.

Land Rover Discovery: Ridiculously unreliable- will never pay for one. Not sure about the latest reincarnations.

FJ Cruiser: Capable, reliable, and good size for tight trails- like the Wrangler.

XTerra Offroad: Another good one- pretty reliable too.

Hummer H2/H3: The H2 is a beast. The H3 is less so. I do not know enough about their offroad capabilities.

These are the common ones; not the exotics or oldies (Defender, for example).

For me, I wanted new and capable under $35K. I ended up with the Wrangler Rubi and the FJ. I'd happily own either. I still find them all pretty cool (except the Hummers) and love seeing them up close.
FJ Cruiser... Independent suspension vs solid axle makes them not alike on the trail
05-28-2012 12:40 AM
IndyJeepMan
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Originally Posted by HK_Runner
I really do like several vehicles but here is my take:

Landcruiser: Awesome but a bit big and heavy. Still a fantastically reliable and capable workhorse. Expensive.

Land Rover Range Rover: Nice as well and I find them very cool, though nothing is as reliable as a Landcruiser overall. Expensive new.

Land Rover Discovery: Ridiculously unreliable- will never pay for one. Not sure about the latest reincarnations.

FJ Cruiser: Capable, reliable, and good size for tight trails- like the Wrangler.

XTerra Offroad: Another good one- pretty reliable too.

Hummer H2/H3: The H2 is a beast. The H3 is less so. I do not know enough about their offroad capabilities.

These are the common ones; not the exotics or oldies (Defender, for example).

For me, I wanted new and capable under $35K. I ended up with the Wrangler Rubi and the FJ. I'd happily own either. I still find them all pretty cool (except the Hummers) and love seeing them up close.
Lol H2 beast? Your whole post has now become invalid!
05-27-2012 10:58 PM
HK_Runner I really do like several vehicles but here is my take:

Landcruiser: Awesome but a bit big and heavy. Still a fantastically reliable and capable workhorse. Expensive.

Land Rover Range Rover: Nice as well and I find them very cool, though nothing is as reliable as a Landcruiser overall. Expensive new.

Land Rover Discovery: Ridiculously unreliable- will never pay for one. Not sure about the latest reincarnations.

FJ Cruiser: Capable, reliable, and good size for tight trails- like the Wrangler.

XTerra Offroad: Another good one- pretty reliable too.

Hummer H2/H3: The H2 is a beast. The H3 is less so. I do not know enough about their offroad capabilities.

These are the common ones; not the exotics or oldies (Defender, for example).

For me, I wanted new and capable under $35K. I ended up with the Wrangler Rubi and the FJ. I'd happily own either. I still find them all pretty cool (except the Hummers) and love seeing them up close.
05-27-2012 10:44 PM
WatchThis! Sooooo what if you have almost 70k tied up in your wrangler? Does that make it a "highend offroader" (Yes I have nav, dvd, ac , powerwindows & mirrors(when the doors are on)and cruse.) or just a wrangler?

Im thinking I probly wont ever run into anything that cost that much off the shelf on the trails I run. Come to think of it the only places that they can go that I wont try is a parking garage thats 7' or less.
05-27-2012 10:04 PM
SeaLawyer Great thread! Lots of entertaining responses!

My first thought when I read "high end off-roaders" was the Bowler Wildcat. Love it.

Seen every episode of Top Gear since it came back on the air. I'm a Yank but grew up in England and Australia. If you don't appreciate the British sense of humor, then you wouldn't like Top Gear. But regardless, the US version just sucks!! Top Gear Australia is way better!
05-27-2012 09:44 PM
Up Hill Bill pom·mie (pm)n. pl. pom·mies Australian & New Zealand Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for a British person, especially a recent immigrant.

wank·er (wngkr)n. Chiefly British Vulgar Slang
1.
A person who m@st*rb@t*s.
2. A detestable person.


You asked.....
05-27-2012 09:39 PM
JeeperJake "most pommies are wankers anyway"

......can someone translate this?
05-27-2012 08:43 PM
XJ Knight Don't think those qualify in this topic.. those are more offroad only rides. Might as well be tanks on wheels.. This is more a talk about 4x4's that are practical for on road use that are capible offroad vehlciles as well.. To which as we know there is the Wrangler then everyone else trying to catch up.. Exception being the PW which has been refered to as the wranglers big brother
05-27-2012 08:07 PM
IndyJeepMan So what about the Tatra 8x8 and Unimog 505?
05-27-2012 07:13 PM
pkmcd99 Hakeem,

Are the wranglers white? Just like 90% of all the other vehicles...lol
05-27-2012 06:46 PM
whY402Jay
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Originally Posted by Abdul-Hakeem
I just want to address the use of a Wrangler as an "overland" vehicle. I use a Wrangler on almost weekly medium trips over varied terrain and it does fine. I drive it in the desert for 3-5 hours at least twice a week during a normal work week as well. I've pulled out many of the more common Landcrusier, Hilux, and Nissan Patrol vehicles from the sand. I don't use it for "rock crawling" and I don't even know what this is to be honest with you. I use the Wrangler to cross any terrain to reach various remote locations, so I think this is the "overland" application.

The FJ Cruiser, which no one seems to like in America or the UK, is actually the closest performance competitor to the Wrangler from what I've seen here. This may be due to local terrain. I've only seen FJ Cruisers or Wranglers stuck here due to driver error by getting the middle caught on a sharp dune or by being insane and driving along the crest of a small dune.

I just don't want people to think Wrangler is good only for "rock crawling", it also excels in crossing terrain to reach a goal.
Rock crawling is driving over rocky terrain. It requires low gearing and lockers because you find yourself in off camber situations with one or two tires in the air. You have to be careful because crawling can result in busted drive shafts, tie rods, axles, diffs, and much more. Youtube it.
05-27-2012 06:22 PM
MTH
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Originally Posted by Abdul-Hakeem
I just want to address the use of a Wrangler as an "overland" vehicle. I use a Wrangler on almost weekly medium trips over varied terrain and it does fine. I drive it in the desert for 3-5 hours at least twice a week during a normal work week as well. I've pulled out many of the more common Landcrusier, Hilux, and Nissan Patrol vehicles from the sand. I don't use it for "rock crawling" and I don't even know what this is to be honest with you. I use the Wrangler to cross any terrain to reach various remote locations, so I think this is the "overland" application.

The FJ Cruiser, which no one seems to like in America or the UK, is actually the closest performance competitor to the Wrangler from what I've seen here. This may be due to local terrain. I've only seen FJ Cruisers or Wranglers stuck here due to driver error by getting the middle caught on a sharp dune or by being insane and driving along the crest of a small dune.

I just don't want people to think Wrangler is good only for "rock crawling", it also excels in crossing terrain to reach a goal.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abdul-Hakeem
...And Wrangler is becoming very popular very fast across the Middle East now. So the idea that it can't succeed commercially abroad is probably false.
05-27-2012 03:08 PM
Abdul-Hakeem ...And Wrangler is becoming very popular very fast across the Middle East now. So the idea that it can't succeed commercially abroad is probably false.
05-27-2012 03:04 PM
Abdul-Hakeem I just want to address the use of a Wrangler as an "overland" vehicle. I use a Wrangler on almost weekly medium trips over varied terrain and it does fine. I drive it in the desert for 3-5 hours at least twice a week during a normal work week as well. I've pulled out many of the more common Landcrusier, Hilux, and Nissan Patrol vehicles from the sand. I don't use it for "rock crawling" and I don't even know what this is to be honest with you. I use the Wrangler to cross any terrain to reach various remote locations, so I think this is the "overland" application.

The FJ Cruiser, which no one seems to like in America or the UK, is actually the closest performance competitor to the Wrangler from what I've seen here. This may be due to local terrain. I've only seen FJ Cruisers or Wranglers stuck here due to driver error by getting the middle caught on a sharp dune or by being insane and driving along the crest of a small dune.

I just don't want people to think Wrangler is good only for "rock crawling", it also excels in crossing terrain to reach a goal.
05-13-2012 06:45 PM
pkmcd99 I emjoyed the episode of us top gear when tanner and the guys ran the 4x4 trucks in alaska.
05-13-2012 06:44 PM
R4D4R I think this was the last sensible, consumer test they did

Jeremy tests the Ford Fiesta (series 12, episode 6) - BBC Top Gear
05-13-2012 09:51 AM
Mopar2Ya
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Originally Posted by 1Topp View Post
They are all Jeeps anyway.......... Land Rover..The design for the original Land Rover vehicle was started in 1947 by Maurice Wilks, chief designer at the Rover Company, on his farm in Newborough, Anglesey. It is said that he was inspired by an American World War II Jeep that he used one summer at his holiday home in Wales. Toyota Land Cruiser...In 1941 the Imperial Japanese Army occupied the Philippines, where they found an old Bantam Mk II Jeep, and promptly brought it to Japan. The Japanese military authorities commanded Toyota to make a similar vehicle but to not model the appearance on the American Jeep. Overland Vehicle... Willys-Overland Motors, an American automobile company best known for its design and production of military Jeeps. Hummers were first designed and built by AM General Corporation, which was formerly AMC-Jeep's General Products division. Just copys of the real Jeep........ history is cool ain't it ?


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Originally Posted by Zan186 View Post
Top Gear is the biggest biased joke on the planet. They have an extreme dislike to Chrysler and tolerate GM and Ford...however if it has BMW or Audi it is awesome!

Look at how they bad mouthed the Viper....yet it excelled in every way you would want a niche car like that to be. Speed...power...handeling.....ohh but it is EPIC FAIL because the INTERIOR is uncomfortable and cheap!
However, you can lap a Lambo and crush a Ferrari while still looking good...but because the ride is stiff/rough....bad grades!
+1! I like it when they compare apples to oranges. Even w/it's faults I do like the show.

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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
So, I'm an American and think Chrysler builds nothing but sh!t. Only recently, have they gotten slightly better, but outside the Wrangler and the New GC, their mass market cars are utter crap, and cannot compare to any other manufacturer (lower end dodges, chryslers, etc.) They have a LONG way to go.
& this would be your opinion, you obviously have a distaste for Chrysler. I could type all day about how many good Chrysler products there are/have been, but it would be a waste. There is much more to Chrysler than the last 20yrs(that's not saying they haven't made good auto's in those yrs). A lot of the recent issues w/Chrysler can be blamed on Mercedes & Cerberus. JMO.
05-13-2012 05:27 AM
SeaComms I have read in this thread once or twice the key to this whole saga - its an entertainment show with no real mechanical merit to it at all. Also you have to remember, just like british cars are expensive to buy and fix in the US, often finding it hard to find someone who knows them well, US cars would be the same issue in the UK.

I can add to that by saying down here in upside down land, a JK is least 50% more than it is over there - our lowest spec JK is a touch over $36,000 AU driveaway (bout US$34,600), (and our fuel is currently averaging around $5.80 US per gallon).

So it pushes it price wise up into a higher class of vehicle than it was built to. Not a problem for me, but for some less educated in the way of Jeeps / mall crawler driver will have much higher expectations as to fit and finish, on road ride quality etc. Buy it knowing what it was made for and accepting that we get royally screwed on pricing down here and its a great vehicle. I would presume its probably the same in the UK. Also every time you see them do an offroad challenge its always grass they are driving on and tyres are the only thing seperating one vehicle from the next!

The other issue down here - break down in the outback (Australia is only 5% smaller than the US mainland, with with 90% less people) and you pretty much have to get it towed as most outback mechanics wont touch them. Break down in a Toyota or Nissan and they will have parts. Not because they are better, simply there is a bucket load more of them, so it makes more sense for them to carry Toyota and Nissan parts!

That, and as for the original question - most pommies are wankers anyway
05-13-2012 04:15 AM
Omar Brannstrom Hi

If You want to see other 4WD out there I would recommend to see the movies here and it gives me a lot of inspiration.


Look at the movies 4WD Action DVD

4WD and Offroad - YouTube
05-12-2012 05:39 PM
MarineHawk
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
So? ... If they make a great car, I'll love the car. ... .
Then, you should marry it!




Sorry, I spend too much time around my youg boys.
05-12-2012 02:46 PM
pkmcd99
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC

So, I'm an American and think Chrysler builds nothing but sh!t. Only recently, have they gotten slightly better, but outside the Wrangler and the New GC, their mass market cars are utter crap, and cannot compare to any other manufacturer (lower end dodges, chryslers, etc.) They have a LONG way to go.
The dodge aires was awesome. It is legendary like the russian lada, lmao
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