|05-29-2012 10:22 AM|
|05-29-2012 05:19 AM|
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|05-28-2012 03:29 PM|
Well here's a review...bought my 2dr JK brand new, and in 2.5 yrs we've got 70k. Running in just about any condition imaginable, except the desert....Zero...repeat, Zero mechanical failures, still running the original BFG KM's and brake pads....
I could have purchased any vehicle that I desired when I bought the JK....fact is, I did not want to be without a Wrangler, ah, the most easily modified, repaired, and all around best vehicle for pretty much any purpose imaginable.....
I also don't buy into the "opinion" of the idiot Toyota freak, that ity takes $15k to make a JK into a good adventure vehicle.....but, even it if did, the JK would still come in at less $$$ that all those other vehicles mentioned in the idiots post...So Mr. Toyota idiot....you don't even want to go there......better yet, go away...
|05-28-2012 12:25 PM|
|LauriLindsay||Clarkson & Hammond are DICKS ! 5th gear is a much better auto show. That said I would love a 108 Landrover.|
|05-28-2012 10:23 AM|
How can the Top Gear be British biased when none of the listed 4x4's are really British.
I live a 5 minute drive from the solihull Land Rover factory so I have many friends and family who work there I even foolishly turned a spanner there myself for a short time, so yes we make them like we make many other cars but hardly any car that's built here have been British owned for many years. Even a lot of the parts for Land Rover products come from other countries it's just assembled in England.
German BMW have owned Land Rover, When Ford owned it there was always rumours going around the factory it may be moved to the US to be built, now the Indian company Tata own Land Rover.
I've owned many wranglers over the years and would love to see them on Top Gear but unfortunately Wranglers just aren't very popular in England were the Op list of 4x4's are, mainly down to them being easier and cheaper to buy and run.
I agreed a lot with SEACOMMS reply #83(Downunder Dave) earlier comments until I read his last statement, then realised his intellect was the same as the most famous thing to come from Austrailia which was a Kangaroo called Skippy.
What else Has Austrailia done for this world, its given us Kylie who now lives in London, it's not added nothing of use to the world just idiots like Downunder Dave and if the world was a doughnut, Austrailia would be the hole, so I'd rather be a British W*nker than an Aussie.
|05-28-2012 09:08 AM|
|05-28-2012 06:23 AM|
I have a black one which, while a nice color, is not really the best for a hot and sunny country. The good news is that the soft top seems to prevent the car from becoming an oven while parked. The white Hyundai I drove before was much worse in that respect.
|05-28-2012 01:36 AM|
|HK_Runner||Oh, my buddy picked this up a while ago (he is a mall crawler, sadly) and I think it looks fantastic and hear it does extremely well offroad. Not sure what year though. After two disastrous LR Discovery experiences, he got the Defender.|
|05-28-2012 01:28 AM|
Well, at around 8,500 lbs, I suppose I should have called the H2 a lumbering Behemoth and not a Beast.
I do not rock-crawl, so IFS suits my needs just fine and is a lot more composed at speed. Heck, I took my 4Runner (V8, Center Diff Lock, FJ TRD suspension) to Moab and it did very well and it is way more composed on faster rough roads at speeds that I could not maintain on my JK. The FJ does a bit better than my 4R. I think articulation and rock crawling is where the IFS falls behind, while faster stuff (like desert racing, fireroads, gravel roads, etc.) IFS is just a lot faster and more composed.
I'd really like to keep my Jeep, and add a Land Cruiser and Range Rover to the collection, and rig them up nicely. If only I come into some money.....
|05-28-2012 12:56 AM|
|05-28-2012 12:40 AM|
|05-27-2012 10:58 PM|
I really do like several vehicles but here is my take:
Landcruiser: Awesome but a bit big and heavy. Still a fantastically reliable and capable workhorse. Expensive.
Land Rover Range Rover: Nice as well and I find them very cool, though nothing is as reliable as a Landcruiser overall. Expensive new.
Land Rover Discovery: Ridiculously unreliable- will never pay for one. Not sure about the latest reincarnations.
FJ Cruiser: Capable, reliable, and good size for tight trails- like the Wrangler.
XTerra Offroad: Another good one- pretty reliable too.
Hummer H2/H3: The H2 is a beast. The H3 is less so. I do not know enough about their offroad capabilities.
These are the common ones; not the exotics or oldies (Defender, for example).
For me, I wanted new and capable under $35K. I ended up with the Wrangler Rubi and the FJ. I'd happily own either. I still find them all pretty cool (except the Hummers) and love seeing them up close.
|05-27-2012 10:44 PM|
Sooooo what if you have almost 70k tied up in your wrangler? Does that make it a "highend offroader" (Yes I have nav, dvd, ac , powerwindows & mirrors(when the doors are on)and cruse.) or just a wrangler?
Im thinking I probly wont ever run into anything that cost that much off the shelf on the trails I run. Come to think of it the only places that they can go that I wont try is a parking garage thats 7' or less.
|05-27-2012 10:04 PM|
Great thread! Lots of entertaining responses!
My first thought when I read "high end off-roaders" was the Bowler Wildcat. Love it.
Seen every episode of Top Gear since it came back on the air. I'm a Yank but grew up in England and Australia. If you don't appreciate the British sense of humor, then you wouldn't like Top Gear. But regardless, the US version just sucks!! Top Gear Australia is way better!
|05-27-2012 09:44 PM|
|Up Hill Bill||
pom·mie (pm)n. pl. pom·mies Australian & New Zealand Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for a British person, especially a recent immigrant.
wank·er (wngkr)n. Chiefly British Vulgar Slang
1. A person who m@st*rb@t*s.
2. A detestable person.
|05-27-2012 09:39 PM|
"most pommies are wankers anyway"
......can someone translate this?
|05-27-2012 08:43 PM|
|XJ Knight||Don't think those qualify in this topic.. those are more offroad only rides. Might as well be tanks on wheels.. This is more a talk about 4x4's that are practical for on road use that are capible offroad vehlciles as well.. To which as we know there is the Wrangler then everyone else trying to catch up.. Exception being the PW which has been refered to as the wranglers big brother|
|05-27-2012 08:07 PM|
|IndyJeepMan||So what about the Tatra 8x8 and Unimog 505?|
|05-27-2012 07:13 PM|
Are the wranglers white? Just like 90% of all the other vehicles...lol
|05-27-2012 06:46 PM|
|05-27-2012 06:22 PM|
|05-27-2012 03:08 PM|
|Abdul-Hakeem||...And Wrangler is becoming very popular very fast across the Middle East now. So the idea that it can't succeed commercially abroad is probably false.|
|05-27-2012 03:04 PM|
I just want to address the use of a Wrangler as an "overland" vehicle. I use a Wrangler on almost weekly medium trips over varied terrain and it does fine. I drive it in the desert for 3-5 hours at least twice a week during a normal work week as well. I've pulled out many of the more common Landcrusier, Hilux, and Nissan Patrol vehicles from the sand. I don't use it for "rock crawling" and I don't even know what this is to be honest with you. I use the Wrangler to cross any terrain to reach various remote locations, so I think this is the "overland" application.
The FJ Cruiser, which no one seems to like in America or the UK, is actually the closest performance competitor to the Wrangler from what I've seen here. This may be due to local terrain. I've only seen FJ Cruisers or Wranglers stuck here due to driver error by getting the middle caught on a sharp dune or by being insane and driving along the crest of a small dune.
I just don't want people to think Wrangler is good only for "rock crawling", it also excels in crossing terrain to reach a goal.
|05-13-2012 06:45 PM|
|pkmcd99||I emjoyed the episode of us top gear when tanner and the guys ran the 4x4 trucks in alaska.|
|05-13-2012 06:44 PM|
I think this was the last sensible, consumer test they did
Jeremy tests the Ford Fiesta (series 12, episode 6) - BBC Top Gear
|05-13-2012 09:51 AM|
|05-13-2012 05:27 AM|
I have read in this thread once or twice the key to this whole saga - its an entertainment show with no real mechanical merit to it at all. Also you have to remember, just like british cars are expensive to buy and fix in the US, often finding it hard to find someone who knows them well, US cars would be the same issue in the UK.
I can add to that by saying down here in upside down land, a JK is least 50% more than it is over there - our lowest spec JK is a touch over $36,000 AU driveaway (bout US$34,600), (and our fuel is currently averaging around $5.80 US per gallon).
So it pushes it price wise up into a higher class of vehicle than it was built to. Not a problem for me, but for some less educated in the way of Jeeps / mall crawler driver will have much higher expectations as to fit and finish, on road ride quality etc. Buy it knowing what it was made for and accepting that we get royally screwed on pricing down here and its a great vehicle. I would presume its probably the same in the UK. Also every time you see them do an offroad challenge its always grass they are driving on and tyres are the only thing seperating one vehicle from the next!
The other issue down here - break down in the outback (Australia is only 5% smaller than the US mainland, with with 90% less people) and you pretty much have to get it towed as most outback mechanics wont touch them. Break down in a Toyota or Nissan and they will have parts. Not because they are better, simply there is a bucket load more of them, so it makes more sense for them to carry Toyota and Nissan parts!
That, and as for the original question - most pommies are wankers anyway
|05-13-2012 04:15 AM|
If You want to see other 4WD out there I would recommend to see the movies here and it gives me a lot of inspiration.
Look at the movies 4WD Action DVD
4WD and Offroad - YouTube
|05-12-2012 05:39 PM|
Sorry, I spend too much time around my youg boys.
|05-12-2012 02:46 PM|
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