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04-15-2014 10:07 PM
Sbuffett Errr, decisions
04-15-2014 09:48 PM
jadmt
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Originally Posted by Sbuffett View Post
But with no lift and no spacers will the 285/75/17's rub? Also since 99% of my time is on the pavement is the 285 just gonna burn more fuel and float on the Canadian snow in winter?
if off road you will need 2" lift or so. Won't rub unless max flexed or max turned you will get a little rub on sway bar. I get an honest 16-20mpg with 2014 rubicon unlimited auto and 4.10's. they handle deep snow and ice very well. Click on the photo for video. I live in snow country.
04-15-2014 09:41 PM
Sbuffett But with no lift and no spacers will the 285/75/17's rub? Also since 99% of my time is on the pavement is the 285 just gonna burn more fuel and float on the Canadian snow in winter?
04-15-2014 09:34 PM
jadmt I can not say enough about the 285/75-17's tall and skinny but not fashion model skinny lol.
04-15-2014 08:24 PM
Sbuffett I'm considering the st max in 255/80/17 as well, are these tires that much heavier than stock? Wondering if it will shag the stock carrier, if so I may consider the duratracs in factory size. Why is it so hard to find a tall skinny tire? I want a 265/85
04-15-2014 04:04 AM
Hilldweller
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Originally Posted by cornfedksboy View Post
How do the ST-Maxx perform in the mud? I have the GY Silent Armor and have been impressed with everything except mud. I am considering these and the BFG KM2 as my next purchase.
I had the KM2s in 255/85-16 for a while on my last JK and returned them ---- they were only good in mud and horrible on streets in the rain.
The ST-Maxx is the best AT I've ever used. That said, they're the best in the mud of any AT I've used but they're not a mud tire. GA clay mud is thick/slick/nasty business but I feel pretty secure with these tires. In runnier mud where you can find the bottom, absolutely no problem.
04-14-2014 08:53 PM
YJ Nate Man, times have changed. These are _not_ pizza cutters.
These are pizza cutters.
http://images.hemmings.com/wp-conten...sJeep_lede.jpg
04-14-2014 08:38 PM
wheatbackdigger Installed my pizza cutters today. Cooper S/T Maxx 255/80r17 on stock Rubi rims. Ditched the Duratracs 285/70R17 with 1.5" spacers for the Coop's. I have to say it is a much better ride on the highway. The Duratracs were ok, but the Coopers are much quieter and smoother ride. Grant it, they are two different type tires. It will be awhile before I test them off road, but right now I couldn't be happier. Feels like I got much more control of the jeep vs the jeep controlling me.
04-14-2014 06:34 PM
cornfedksboy
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Originally Posted by Hilldweller View Post
Lots of people have asked me how well the 255/80-17 fit on the stock spare carrier.
Perfectly.

ST-Maxx

How do the ST-Maxx perform in the mud? I have the GY Silent Armor and have been impressed with everything except mud. I am considering these and the BFG KM2 as my next purchase.
04-14-2014 02:46 PM
OnlyoneJeep
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Originally Posted by afrank View Post
Hey OnlyoneJeep nice looking setup you have there .... couple of questions, what kind of suspension/lift is that? And what's your impression on the on road manners especially compared to stock tires, how noticible is the handling, noise, mileage, etc. thanks.
Thank you!

The road noise in minimal. Slight hum at 75. Rides better than the stock Goodyears. Seems a little more tippy around strong corners but never the feel of being out of control. My lift is at 1.5 in front and .75 in the rear with a 1" Body Lift as well. Mileage seems to be the same. The 3.6 didn't notice the change, still hauls ass. I have 373's and an automatic.

Hope this helps.
04-14-2014 07:10 AM
mhicanders
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Originally Posted by 2five22 View Post
"Pizza cutters"? In the military, we called them "grave-digger" tires.
That's what the so-cal off roaders called them in the 70's.. Never heard of them referred to as pizza cutters...
04-14-2014 06:06 AM
afrank Hey OnlyoneJeep nice looking setup you have there .... couple of questions, what kind of suspension/lift is that? And what's your impression on the on road manners especially compared to stock tires, how noticible is the handling, noise, mileage, etc. thanks.
04-14-2014 04:07 AM
Hilldweller Lots of people have asked me how well the 255/80-17 fit on the stock spare carrier.
Perfectly.

ST-Maxx

04-13-2014 07:42 PM
OnlyoneJeep I've always loved the pizza cutters!
My 255/80/17's KM2's
03-12-2014 10:07 PM
BlackOpsJeep Love my pizza cutters!


03-12-2014 09:06 AM
SilverMiner While it's one of the best options we have, I would really love to see it in 255/90R17. Now that would be the ultimate overlander tire for me.
03-11-2014 09:24 PM
mattjopete
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Originally Posted by SilverMiner View Post
I mentioned these in the other pizza cutter thread. I like these tires.
I missed that one, I've been jonesing for this tire in this size for a while now
03-11-2014 09:08 PM
SilverMiner I mentioned these in the other pizza cutter thread. I like these tires.

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Originally Posted by mattjopete View Post
Cooper just announced a bunch of new sizes for their ST/Maxx tires LT255/80 R17 Cooper Discoverer S/T Maxx Tire Item-90000019974

I haven't heard a single bad thing about these tires yet, though until now they have been limited to Load Range E and only 9 sizes.
03-11-2014 12:35 PM
mattjopete Cooper just announced a bunch of new sizes for their ST/Maxx tires LT255/80 R17 Cooper Discoverer S/T Maxx Tire Item-90000019974

I haven't heard a single bad thing about these tires yet, though until now they have been limited to Load Range E and only 9 sizes.
03-08-2014 05:17 PM
reade Gotcha, I also need to keep in mind how much time I'm on pavement as opposed to needing that. I do wish I was out more but the simple truth is I'm a 2-5% er. Maybe I need two different sets?
03-08-2014 04:08 PM
spinlock
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Originally Posted by reade View Post
Do they yield better gas milage? I'm thinking of trying 10.5s next time instead of 12.5s.
Rolling resistance is directly proportional to the tire footprint so tire width does impact MPG. The narrower of two tires with the same tread pattern will have less rolling resistance. Just keep in mind Jeeps are about maintaining traction where others fail.
03-08-2014 02:11 PM
reade Do they yield better gas milage? I'm thinking of trying 10.5s next time instead of 12.5s.
03-08-2014 02:08 PM
colt44 I forgot to ask, what kind of mounts do you have for your driving lights? Are they the grill mount ones?
03-08-2014 02:04 PM
colt44 I've always liked the skinny tire look. It looks good on your JK. But since you drove 275 miles to work today I want to ask how it does on highway? I've got a '95 ready for tires and would like the skinny look but first I would like to know if it changes driving experience, meaning tracking at speeds over 60 mph. I've got a new JK and not planning on swapping out 255's but maybe on old jeep. It does see some highway miles.
03-08-2014 10:12 AM
Unlimbited
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Originally Posted by lemmonent View Post
Love the "Electric Lime" and the pizza cutters. What brand, size is that?
Thanks! They are 255/85/16 Cooper Discoverer ST
03-07-2014 09:14 PM
lemmonent
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Originally Posted by Unlimbited View Post
Like i said, sorry not a JK, but love my pizza cutters. This is after my 2.5" OME lift and 1.25" BL
Love the "Electric Lime" and the pizza cutters. What brand, size is that?
03-07-2014 06:17 PM
baxterpass
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Originally Posted by spinlock View Post
<snip> most big tires require wheels or spacers that mess up the built-in scrub radius.
Good point; thanks!

Different backspacing, wheel spacers etc. all change front end dynamics. Wider track changes slip angle, which hurts steering response. Big tires are heavy, which translates to higher unsprung weight, a real handling killer, on or off road. Not to mention the hit on fuel economy.

The Jeep engineering team did an incredible job designing a highly capable offroad vehicle that can still be safely driven on an 80 mph interstate highway. Or threaded through urban street traffic. While getting 20+ mpg; my JKU with low rolling resistance AT tires is doing 25 mpg hwy.

It's one thing if someone is modding the heck out of his Jeep for offroad racing or recreational mudding etc., but when it still needs to safely run on regular roads, some of this stuff -- especially big tires and lifts -- is pretty questionable.
03-07-2014 04:44 PM
spinlock
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Originally Posted by JB71 View Post
That may be your observation and yes big truck (semi tractors) do throw a lot of debris off of their tires. That's why all of them are required to run mud flaps.

As for Jeeps, to each their own but you cannot tell me that tires that stick out past the fenders throw less debris into the air than ones tucked under the wheel wells where they belong...... that's why they put fenders on vehicles in the first place.

That wasn't my main motivation for putting on the pizza cutters anyway. I (and this is just my opinion) do not like the look of tires sticking out past the fenders....to me it looks sloppy like they don't belong there. Nope, old school pizza cutters like the original WWII Willys is the way to go in my book.....it worked fine then and I see no reason to change it.

P.S.

I put a set of Mopar mud guards on my Jeep and love em! I have a post on this very subject as well. At the time of that post I had yet to majorly damage one wheeling. Since then I have indeed finally creased one on a pretty large log that I managed to climb over. I was able to bend it back into shape with a little heat and it looks pretty good now. It never came lose in fact it popped three of the fender retainers off but held tight to the fender. I am sold on them and the side of my jeep thanks me for them!
In spite of switching to wider tires for nearly fifteen years now, I must concur that Pizza Cutters provide better performance in many if not most situations. IMO, a lot of JKs roll on big rubber because of the look rather than for performance. Big (wide) tires are better on rocks, sand (floatation) and braking (contact patch) but in most other situations, tall narrow tires perform better. They might even help in turning but most big tires require wheels or spacers that mess up the built-in scrub radius.

What is news to me is that "Pizza cutters are a threat to society" as someone claims.:jaw drop: Maybe a public service announcement or a bulletin should be issued.
03-07-2014 03:34 PM
Unlimbited Like i said, sorry not a JK, but love my pizza cutters. This is after my 2.5" OME lift and 1.25" BL
03-05-2014 10:10 AM
jadmt
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Originally Posted by baxterpass View Post
+1!



Thanks for this info; I will look up your post. I have the Mopar side steps installed, which work like old fashioned running boards to keep stuff from getting thrown up by the front tires. But mud flaps on the rear seem like a good idea.
check out my "we rocked moab 2014" thread mud flaps and pizza cutters rocked.
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