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06-26-2008 01:02 PM
Triple88a
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Originally Posted by erickpl View Post
exactly... they WERE defective... sometimes you get what you pay for. I wasn't willing to risk my Avalanche's electrical on their reliability.
Simple solution, you call the people and you tell them they dont work and you demand an exchange.
06-26-2008 12:38 PM
erickpl exactly... they WERE defective... sometimes you get what you pay for. I wasn't willing to risk my Avalanche's electrical on their reliability.
06-26-2008 08:03 AM
JK Rouge
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Originally Posted by erickpl View Post
My BMW 6 series had 4300k lights in them and I think my wife's Audi has the same 'temperature' rating at 4200 or 4300k. I got a set of HID lights from eBay in the 6k range. They were what they called diamond white (a bit more blue hue). Yeah, they looked cool, but if improperly put together, they will cause hell on your electrical.

When I installed them in my Avalanche, it caused my lights to flicker badly, then when I shut off the truck, it continued to flicker - it looked like a police car strobe. Killed my battery in less than 1 minute too. I wasn't willing to risk my electrical system's reliability for the HID's. These were some of those lesser priced sets you can find on ebay. If you feel the need to do HID's, then go with a quality set.

If I could find a way to make my BMW's steering sensitive xenon's work in my TJ, I'd LOVE to adapt em, but I don't see that as likely.
Sounds like they were installed wrong or were defective. I have a set of eBay HIDs and they work flawlessly. None of the aftermarket systems would have the steering sensitive aiming.
06-26-2008 07:52 AM
erickpl My BMW 6 series had 4300k lights in them and I think my wife's Audi has the same 'temperature' rating at 4200 or 4300k. I got a set of HID lights from eBay in the 6k range. They were what they called diamond white (a bit more blue hue). Yeah, they looked cool, but if improperly put together, they will cause hell on your electrical.

When I installed them in my Avalanche, it caused my lights to flicker badly, then when I shut off the truck, it continued to flicker - it looked like a police car strobe. Killed my battery in less than 1 minute too. I wasn't willing to risk my electrical system's reliability for the HID's. These were some of those lesser priced sets you can find on ebay. If you feel the need to do HID's, then go with a quality set.

If I could find a way to make my BMW's steering sensitive xenon's work in my TJ, I'd LOVE to adapt em, but I don't see that as likely.
06-25-2008 01:10 PM
Triple88a However something to remember is REAL HID bulbs dont have any wires inside them. They are all outside. This separates the real HIDs from the halogens that are painted to shine like hids (bluish tint)
06-25-2008 06:29 AM
JK Rouge
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Originally Posted by bpowa View Post
where did you buy these bulbs.. My beam pattern is not like that.. although the HID low does seem to slope down to the right.

I really like the beam pattern of the halogen low..
In reality, the two low beam patterns are nearly identical with the intensity being increased by an order of magnitude. If it appears any different in my pictures it is a function of the camera auto exposure.

Also, you may have noticed that my beam patterns don't have the hockey stick shaped kick pattern seen in many euro headlamps because they are installed in an FJR1300 (motorcycle) and it is the headlamp bucket that makes that pattern, not the HID capsule. The FJR has a two headlight bucket designed to use a pair of H4 halogen headlamp bulbs.

As you can see in the pictures I posted previously of the telescopic 2 capsules, the shield is symmetrical, covers almost 180 degrees and is located below the capsule when installed. Light is broadcast radially (perpendicular) from the capsule and hits the reflector of the headlight bucket which causes the beam to be inverted as it is broadcast. That's how the shield being below the light emitting capsule ends up giving you a sharp cut-off on the top of the broadcast beam.

Here's a picture of an H4 halogen bulb:



If you look closely you will see it has two separate filaments. The one closest to the base of the bulb has no shield behind it and is for the high beam. The second one, closer to the tip of the bulb, has a shield that covers roughly 180 degrees below the filament and is symmetrical just like the HID shield.

What I'm saying is that if you have euro headlamp buckets with a "kicked" pattern in your jeep now and you install the HID bulbs you'll still have that pattern.
06-24-2008 07:08 PM
tobycat1
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Originally Posted by 4.0l sahara View Post
I'm 16 that make you feel better?
Guess I'm not the youngest
06-24-2008 06:59 PM
bpowa where did you buy these bulbs.. My beam pattern is not like that.. although the HID low does seem to slope down to the right.

I really like the beam pattern of the halogen low..
06-24-2008 05:31 PM
JK Rouge
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Originally Posted by bpowa View Post
Actually its not blue at all.. when it warms up. every hid has slightly different rating.. can you get a picture of the beam pattern of the bulbs you posted up? That heat shield looks like it would inprove the beam pattern..

For the post above I used the autopal h4 conversion.. it has a metal backing and I added rtv around the lens incase of moisture.

Heck Bleu u r old.. I am 28 and I feel Much older than 20.. But atleast we all share the smae interest, in jeeps..
Well, the shield isn't for heat. It's for the sharp beam cutoff that you want on euro type beam pattern. Here are the those telescopic H4's installed in my FJR:

1st the stock Halogen H4 low beam:




and the stock Halogen high beam:




Now the H4 telescopic HID low beam:



and the H4 telescopic H4 High beams:



It's hard to appreciate the difference in light intensity because I took these with an auto focus, auto exposure camera. But I think you can see that the 4800K lights are very white.
06-24-2008 05:21 PM
4.0l sahara
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Originally Posted by TJ_Bleu View Post
I might be the oldest. Geeze... you boyz are making me feel ancient.
I'm 16 that make you feel better?
06-24-2008 05:07 PM
bpowa
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Originally Posted by TJ_Bleu View Post
I think you meant 6000K. That is the upper end of white, a bit blue actually. 4800K-5000K is the whitest. Below that is yellow, above it's blueish.
Actually its not blue at all.. when it warms up. every hid has slightly different rating.. can you get a picture of the beam pattern of the bulbs you posted up? That heat shield looks like it would inprove the beam pattern..

For the post above I used the autopal h4 conversion.. it has a metal backing and I added rtv around the lens incase of moisture.

Heck Bleu u r old.. I am 28 and I feel Much older than 20.. But atleast we all share the smae interest, in jeeps..
06-24-2008 04:00 PM
JK Rouge I might be the oldest. Geeze... you boyz are making me feel ancient.
06-24-2008 03:55 PM
tobycat1
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Originally Posted by Triple88a View Post
yes i just turned 20 june 1st
I turned 18 on May 1st


I might be the youngest one on here, not sure though.
06-24-2008 01:39 PM
Triple88a
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Originally Posted by TJ_Bleu View Post
Why would you want purple headlights? Isn't the point to see where you're going?
No you want to blind people so they know you have blinding headlights.

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Originally Posted by bpowa View Post
28.. trip is younger.. I think maybe 20 why?
yes i just turned 20 june 1st

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Originally Posted by nickwp99 View Post
So I already have autopal 7" euro conversion headlamp units with H4 halogen bulbs, will any H4 HID kit work? or are there other factors I need to consider in purchase?
2x, do you need new reflectors if the HID bulbs are still H4s?
06-24-2008 12:08 PM
JK Rouge
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Originally Posted by nickwp99 View Post
So I already have autopal 7" euro conversion headlamp units with H4 halogen bulbs, will any H4 HID kit work? or are there other factors I need to consider in purchase?
If you want to retain having the high and low beams in the main headlights you will want to get the "telescopic" Hi-Lo H4 HIDs. These have little solenoids that thrust the HID capsule in and out to emulate the two filaments on a halogen H4 bulb. Here's what they look like:



The bulb on the left is in the low beam position (solenoid extended) and the one on the right is shown in the high beam position (solenoid retracted). I installed these telescopic H4's in my FJR1300. They are much brighter than the OE halogens. I still need to take my dremel and trim down the little moving lower shield behind the bulb so the high beam broadcasts a bit more light down low.

Another alternative for those that have auxiliary driving lights on a bumper hoop (ie at about the same height as the main headlamps) is to fit the main headlamp buckets with low beam only H4 HIDs (which are very inexpensive) and then fit your aux driving lamps with some high beam only lamps. Then just wire them so the lows stay on all the time and toggle the aux lights on and off with the high beam switch. This would give you the best of all possibilities.
06-24-2008 12:04 PM
4.0l sahara Ya but if you could have both?
06-24-2008 12:02 PM
MOz I don't know about you guys and your HID's... When I need to see that bad, I just crank on the Hella 7" Black Majics and watch the woods catch on fire.......
06-24-2008 11:37 AM
4.0l sahara I would love to get some hids. Always liked that really bright white.
06-24-2008 11:11 AM
nickwp99 So I already have autopal 7" euro conversion headlamp units with H4 halogen bulbs, will any H4 HID kit work? or are there other factors I need to consider in purchase?
06-24-2008 06:42 AM
JK Rouge
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Originally Posted by bpowa View Post
28.. trip is younger.. I think maybe 20 why?

I got 600k its pure white, after its heated.. if I am behind a white car the reflection from the car lights my eyes up.
I think you meant 6000K. That is the upper end of white, a bit blue actually. 4800K-5000K is the whitest. Below that is yellow, above it's blueish.
06-24-2008 05:26 AM
jeeps&comics just wondering, i saw you guys talking about college, so I figured you guys were somewhere around my age, but I'm closer to trip's age. just wonderin
06-24-2008 01:19 AM
bpowa
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Originally Posted by JustGotAJeep! View Post
hey trip and bpowa, how old are you guys?
28.. trip is younger.. I think maybe 20 why?

I got 600k its pure white, after its heated.. if I am behind a white car the reflection from the car lights my eyes up.
06-23-2008 05:43 PM
JK Rouge
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Originally Posted by solo97tj View Post
well i got these for the camaro and i will get them for the jeep i like them a lot i have 10k

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/H4-Bi...5848QQtcZphoto
Why would you want purple headlights?
Isn't the point to see where you're going?
Or do you really just want people to look at you?
06-23-2008 05:21 PM
solo97tj well i got these for the camaro and i will get them for the jeep i like them a lot i have 10k

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/H4-Bi...5848QQtcZphoto
06-23-2008 04:28 PM
jeeps&comics hey trip and bpowa, how old are you guys?
06-23-2008 01:47 PM
Triple88a they required it for engineering so i took it.
06-23-2008 03:05 AM
bpowa you learned more than me.. I just took a test yesterday and the only thing I remember from my BS degree that helped was the word Corpus Delicti.

school sucks but I may go back to get a better job.
06-23-2008 12:37 AM
Triple88a bpowa, i just took a full semester of the second series of college chemistry (torture) and there were like 2 or 3 chapters just devoted on this spectra crap. This class made me have lots of sleepless nights doing labs and homework. I hope i learned something after all lol


also i just noticed something
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Originally Posted by Triple88a View Post
Even if fatboys create twice as much light as standard hids
it's a typo it's suppose to say standard halogens not hids
06-23-2008 12:32 AM
bpowa damn tripp came back with all the research.. All I know is I never seen any car/jeep lights/regular bulbs that compare to HID's brightness.. if thats the case they would use fatboys in bmw's, porsche's, and lambo's.. not saying tipf and FB's are bad but it does not compare
06-23-2008 12:01 AM
Triple88a
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Originally Posted by Jma20a View Post
thats not a true hid system its just bulbs that need a balist. real hid systems go for a $700. hell i could open my grainger master catalog and find a balist to slap under my hood and then get some phosphorescent bulbs for half that price. they are not going to be any brighter than the fat boy bulbs.
have you ever heard of the emission spectra?

have you ever seen the wavelengths xenon emits?

Let me try to explain this in the simple ways. The sun pretty much is a mix of elements so it emits all the wavelengths we know of (as humans). You can see it's very bright and releases a LOT of energy and light. Well if the sun was made purely of only one substance, it would emit only that wavelength and it would be much dimmer (each substance has its own specific wavelengths that it emits and some emit more wavelengths than others which is the case with xenon)

This is why xenon bulbs can emit so much more light with less wattage.

Most Halogen lights are filled with bromine or chlorine to reduce tungsten from wearing out which all emit mostly lower wavelengths so they are dimmer. Xenon on the other end emits both lower and higher wavelengths (mostly higher though) which makes more light for less wattage.

So far the best bulbs i've seen (Phillips) are rated about 50% brighter and they are huge. I dont know how much brighter the fatboy bulbs are however they are still using the old technology dude. 35 watt hids create over 3 times more light than standard 55 watt halogens. Even if fatboys create twice as much light as standard hids, they still produce less light than the hids and also take much more electricity to run. At last, hids will last about 10 times as long as a pair of fatboys. A hid kit costs 200? 300? USD. A pair of fatboys costs 80-90? How much do 10 pairs of fatboys cost?


To run a hid, you need the ballasts, the high voltage wiring, the bulbs and at last you will need the starters which i think its just a large capacitor since hids take like 30 amps to start up. And no the 700 price tag you got on your mind is the dealer price and that is like 3 times as expensive as what it really costs. You can find a good HID kit for 200-250 bucks.
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