|06-26-2008 02:02 PM|
|06-26-2008 01:38 PM|
|erickpl||exactly... they WERE defective... sometimes you get what you pay for. I wasn't willing to risk my Avalanche's electrical on their reliability.|
|06-26-2008 09:03 AM|
|06-26-2008 08:52 AM|
My BMW 6 series had 4300k lights in them and I think my wife's Audi has the same 'temperature' rating at 4200 or 4300k. I got a set of HID lights from eBay in the 6k range. They were what they called diamond white (a bit more blue hue). Yeah, they looked cool, but if improperly put together, they will cause hell on your electrical.
When I installed them in my Avalanche, it caused my lights to flicker badly, then when I shut off the truck, it continued to flicker - it looked like a police car strobe. Killed my battery in less than 1 minute too. I wasn't willing to risk my electrical system's reliability for the HID's. These were some of those lesser priced sets you can find on ebay. If you feel the need to do HID's, then go with a quality set.
If I could find a way to make my BMW's steering sensitive xenon's work in my TJ, I'd LOVE to adapt em, but I don't see that as likely.
|06-25-2008 02:10 PM|
|Triple88a||However something to remember is REAL HID bulbs dont have any wires inside them. They are all outside. This separates the real HIDs from the halogens that are painted to shine like hids (bluish tint)|
|06-25-2008 07:29 AM|
Also, you may have noticed that my beam patterns don't have the hockey stick shaped kick pattern seen in many euro headlamps because they are installed in an FJR1300 (motorcycle) and it is the headlamp bucket that makes that pattern, not the HID capsule. The FJR has a two headlight bucket designed to use a pair of H4 halogen headlamp bulbs.
As you can see in the pictures I posted previously of the telescopic 2 capsules, the shield is symmetrical, covers almost 180 degrees and is located below the capsule when installed. Light is broadcast radially (perpendicular) from the capsule and hits the reflector of the headlight bucket which causes the beam to be inverted as it is broadcast. That's how the shield being below the light emitting capsule ends up giving you a sharp cut-off on the top of the broadcast beam.
Here's a picture of an H4 halogen bulb:
If you look closely you will see it has two separate filaments. The one closest to the base of the bulb has no shield behind it and is for the high beam. The second one, closer to the tip of the bulb, has a shield that covers roughly 180 degrees below the filament and is symmetrical just like the HID shield.
What I'm saying is that if you have euro headlamp buckets with a "kicked" pattern in your jeep now and you install the HID bulbs you'll still have that pattern.
|06-24-2008 08:08 PM|
|06-24-2008 07:59 PM|
where did you buy these bulbs.. My beam pattern is not like that.. although the HID low does seem to slope down to the right.
I really like the beam pattern of the halogen low..
|06-24-2008 06:31 PM|
1st the stock Halogen H4 low beam:
and the stock Halogen high beam:
Now the H4 telescopic HID low beam:
and the H4 telescopic H4 High beams:
It's hard to appreciate the difference in light intensity because I took these with an auto focus, auto exposure camera. But I think you can see that the 4800K lights are very white.
|06-24-2008 06:21 PM|
|06-24-2008 06:07 PM|
For the post above I used the autopal h4 conversion.. it has a metal backing and I added rtv around the lens incase of moisture.
Heck Bleu u r old.. I am 28 and I feel Much older than 20.. But atleast we all share the smae interest, in jeeps..
|06-24-2008 05:00 PM|
|TJ_Bleu||I might be the oldest. Geeze... you boyz are making me feel ancient.|
|06-24-2008 04:55 PM|
I might be the youngest one on here, not sure though.
|06-24-2008 02:39 PM|
|06-24-2008 01:08 PM|
The bulb on the left is in the low beam position (solenoid extended) and the one on the right is shown in the high beam position (solenoid retracted). I installed these telescopic H4's in my FJR1300. They are much brighter than the OE halogens. I still need to take my dremel and trim down the little moving lower shield behind the bulb so the high beam broadcasts a bit more light down low.
Another alternative for those that have auxiliary driving lights on a bumper hoop (ie at about the same height as the main headlamps) is to fit the main headlamp buckets with low beam only H4 HIDs (which are very inexpensive) and then fit your aux driving lamps with some high beam only lamps. Then just wire them so the lows stay on all the time and toggle the aux lights on and off with the high beam switch. This would give you the best of all possibilities.
|06-24-2008 01:04 PM|
|4.0l sahara||Ya but if you could have both?|
|06-24-2008 01:02 PM|
|MOz||I don't know about you guys and your HID's... When I need to see that bad, I just crank on the Hella 7" Black Majics and watch the woods catch on fire.......|
|06-24-2008 12:37 PM|
|4.0l sahara||I would love to get some hids. Always liked that really bright white.|
|06-24-2008 12:11 PM|
|nickwp99||So I already have autopal 7" euro conversion headlamp units with H4 halogen bulbs, will any H4 HID kit work? or are there other factors I need to consider in purchase?|
|06-24-2008 07:42 AM|
|06-24-2008 06:26 AM|
|jeeps&comics||just wondering, i saw you guys talking about college, so I figured you guys were somewhere around my age, but I'm closer to trip's age. just wonderin|
|06-24-2008 02:19 AM|
I got 600k its pure white, after its heated.. if I am behind a white car the reflection from the car lights my eyes up.
|06-23-2008 06:43 PM|
Isn't the point to see where you're going?
Or do you really just want people to look at you?
|06-23-2008 06:21 PM|
well i got these for the camaro and i will get them for the jeep i like them a lot i have 10k
|06-23-2008 05:28 PM|
|jeeps&comics||hey trip and bpowa, how old are you guys?|
|06-23-2008 02:47 PM|
|Triple88a||they required it for engineering so i took it.|
|06-23-2008 04:05 AM|
you learned more than me.. I just took a test yesterday and the only thing I remember from my BS degree that helped was the word Corpus Delicti.
school sucks but I may go back to get a better job.
|06-23-2008 01:37 AM|
bpowa, i just took a full semester of the second series of college chemistry (torture) and there were like 2 or 3 chapters just devoted on this spectra crap. This class made me have lots of sleepless nights doing labs and homework. I hope i learned something after all lol
also i just noticed something
|06-23-2008 01:32 AM|
|bpowa||damn tripp came back with all the research.. All I know is I never seen any car/jeep lights/regular bulbs that compare to HID's brightness.. if thats the case they would use fatboys in bmw's, porsche's, and lambo's.. not saying tipf and FB's are bad but it does not compare|
|06-23-2008 01:01 AM|
have you ever seen the wavelengths xenon emits?
Let me try to explain this in the simple ways. The sun pretty much is a mix of elements so it emits all the wavelengths we know of (as humans). You can see it's very bright and releases a LOT of energy and light. Well if the sun was made purely of only one substance, it would emit only that wavelength and it would be much dimmer (each substance has its own specific wavelengths that it emits and some emit more wavelengths than others which is the case with xenon)
This is why xenon bulbs can emit so much more light with less wattage.
Most Halogen lights are filled with bromine or chlorine to reduce tungsten from wearing out which all emit mostly lower wavelengths so they are dimmer. Xenon on the other end emits both lower and higher wavelengths (mostly higher though) which makes more light for less wattage.
So far the best bulbs i've seen (Phillips) are rated about 50% brighter and they are huge. I dont know how much brighter the fatboy bulbs are however they are still using the old technology dude. 35 watt hids create over 3 times more light than standard 55 watt halogens. Even if fatboys create twice as much light as standard hids, they still produce less light than the hids and also take much more electricity to run. At last, hids will last about 10 times as long as a pair of fatboys. A hid kit costs 200? 300? USD. A pair of fatboys costs 80-90? How much do 10 pairs of fatboys cost?
To run a hid, you need the ballasts, the high voltage wiring, the bulbs and at last you will need the starters which i think its just a large capacitor since hids take like 30 amps to start up. And no the 700 price tag you got on your mind is the dealer price and that is like 3 times as expensive as what it really costs. You can find a good HID kit for 200-250 bucks.
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