|01-03-2014 05:33 AM|
|01-02-2014 01:49 PM|
I am glad to see some love for REAL winter tires in this thread. I have no doubt that Duratracs are a fantastic all-around tire and, by all accounts, do quite well in most winter conditions. It is another thing to say that, studded or not, they are equal to a dedicated (especially studded) winter tire on the road in icy conditions.
Notice that certain types of tire always tend to share certain characteristics. MT's - big voids to sling mud, which in turn requires hard compounds because of the relatively low contact area. AT's - moderate voids, more siping, still relatively hard compound to ensure longevity. Winter tire - small voids, substantial amounts of siping, and a soft compound that will not hold up under summer temperatures.
|01-02-2014 01:35 PM|
But again these tests are often just a good indication.
For the north american SUV market in the non-studded, here is another ranking.
As a side note these were from some tests made in 2012 they don't show the 2013-2014 results yet, you have to pay...
The one for the cars is from 2013-2014 (where studded Hakka R7 are the top).
Automobile Protection Association | 2013 Winter Tire Reviews: SUV Tires
Automobile Protection Association | 2013 Winter Tire Reviews: Passenger Car Tires
|01-02-2014 11:42 AM|
The articles posted above are GREAT.
I wish they tested the non-studded Hakka 7 or 8s versus them with studs.
I also wish that we had access to the tires that they have overseas.
The differences in stopping distances on ice between the best and worst WINTER tire is AMAZING.
|12-30-2013 11:29 AM|
|That Jeep Guy||
|12-30-2013 06:52 AM|
|mainemuscle||I live in Maine where snow driving and ice driving is the norm. This is my first winter with duratracs and I love them so far!!!!|
|12-30-2013 12:49 AM|
Studded vs Studdless from Nokian Studded or Non-studded Tires
As awesome as the Nokian tire may be, it is still offered studdable.
Nokian Hakkapeliita 5 studded https://www.1010tires.com/Tires/Revi...akkapeliitta+5
Studded vs non studded review http://www.aveq.ca/uploads/9/3/4/2/9...d_r_review.pdf
Consumer report http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/n...test/index.htm
|12-29-2013 05:29 PM|
I use to drive with Blizzak's on my previous Grand Cherokee's (09 & 11) and this is my first winter on Duratracs/JKU combo. In fact I drove on 5 different models of Blizzak's considering my another smaller car's. Overall and if I turn On 4hi - JKU drives well on snow with Duratrack's, however it is not as near as confident feelings as on Blizzak's. 2hi will spin Duratracs and slide your Jeep on turns, I wouldn't suggest 2hi at all while on snow and ice.
|12-29-2013 04:08 PM|
|rdg04578||bottom line the durtracs are an aggressive all terrain tire--so the are a compromise of technology and will perform well in a magnitude of situations but they are not designed to or will out -perform a mud tire in mud (deep cloppy mud), a road tire on the road (dry and wet braking and handling), and certianly not a winter tire on ice and snow.|
|12-29-2013 03:42 PM|
This is my point that I was trying to make....
The Blizzaks are better than the studded Generals on ice due to the technology being significantly better.
Of course adding 1/2 inch studs/screws to the a tire will make it better on ice, and adding street studs to the same tire will make it better than the same tire non-studded.
But for the street I suspect the Hakka 7s will be better than the studded Duratracs.
On the ICE tracks (racing) studded tires with studs that you would not use on the road will be superior.
Scandinavian winter tire tests show this already in testing.
|12-28-2013 06:55 PM|
|12-28-2013 06:08 PM|
|12-28-2013 06:05 PM|
|12-28-2013 06:01 PM|
I'd go for the Duratracs for spring, summer and fall.
For serious winter driving, I do Nokian Hakkapellitta studded tires.
IMHO there is nothing better.
However, I don't do off road in the winter, but do drive rural, dirt roads in Vermont without a problem.
|12-27-2013 09:09 PM|
I also photograph ice racing motorcycles and although they are a bit different stud (not a spike) then a car tire they can grip glare black ice.
|12-27-2013 08:58 PM|
The studded Duratrac versus the Blizzak and the Nokian Hakka 7.
I suspect that even the non-studded Hakka 7s would beat the studded Duratrac.
|12-27-2013 08:18 PM|
As for the tire comparison. Blizzacks are awesome hands down, however, they will NOT keep up with a studded Duratrac period in any winter condition.
|12-27-2013 06:22 PM|
We are up to almost 3 feet of snow here, in this early winter, I agree, the Blizzak DM-V1 blow away the Michelin X-Ice 3 of my wife's and X-Ice 2 of my daughter.
To my surprise, after now 3000 km, to don't show any wear yet, but it is still early to comment about wear. As far as traction and braking I must say they are impressive.
|12-27-2013 05:48 PM|
Have had the General Arctic Altimax on the JKU for a few months.
1. Better than stock tires.
2. Better than Duratracs on ice/slush according to the Jeep that slid into an intersection while I had no issues stopping in the same conditions (we were side by side, until he couldn't stop).
3. Quite stable in the snow/slush. Better than Michelin X-Ice2s on my AWD Subaru or my wifes Mercedes 4matic.
4. Ice traction is satisfactory for a winter tire. Requires a much more 'gentle' turn in to maintain traction, I suspect the weight of the Jeep has a large aspect to this, but nowhere near the confidence I have with the Michelins.
I just put a set of Blizzaks on my dad's Maxima (his uncool Christmas gift) this afternoon and took it for a road test and they blow the Michelins and General Altimax away for ice-grip as well as snow.
My next set for the Jeep will be the Nokian Hakka Whatever they will be selling in 4 years.
Final Verdict: I am very glad that put winter tires on the Jeep and feel that they are a worthwhile investment. I don't drive through snow more than 12 inches deep very often so can't comment on that kind of performance.
|12-27-2013 02:01 PM|
|12-27-2013 01:59 PM|
|That Jeep Guy||
I forgot to mention that I do go off road in winter with the Discoverer MS. I've winched out a number of time in mud holes in the rest of the year but, so far, not in winter. (no mud holes I guess)
They are not perfect or the greatest - off road in winter - but will do fine until I fit the ST Maxx.
|12-27-2013 01:55 PM|
|That Jeep Guy||
I am currently running Cooper Discoverer MS on a 2013 JKU and ran this same set of tires on my 2010 JKU for three years. That should say something about my satisfaction with the wear and the grip of these tires.
But, around september I was planning to put the Cooper ST Maxx on - but winter crept up on me before I could solve the issue of added weight on the stock spare tire carrier (my dear wife was understanding enough to just shake her head and roll her eyes when I announced I was replacing 5 perfectly good tires with 5 new and expensive ones, but convincing her of the added cost of a new bumper and tire carrier didn't happen before winter arrived. Fingers crossed for a solution by next year.)
With the DuraTracs not a legal option here (and probably not a sensible one either due to our icy roads) I just put on the old 17" Coopers.
As far as the OPs original question goes, I would recommend:
Keep what came on the Jeep for long trips like on-road family vacation trips etc. for the mpg, ride, and noise.
Definitely get the ST Maxx for off road, if your budget allows for a tire carrier (or my alternate plan of four ST Maxxs and the original spare).
And in the winter use an actual winter tire, preferably studded where legal, and I highly recommend the Cooper Discoverer MS based on actual experience.
I apologise for my lack of DuraTrac love here, I know they are claimed to be magical but I drive in real on and off road situations and am not the kind to trust in magic.
|12-27-2013 01:50 PM|
I've only been driving on mine for about two months, but I live in the Harsh Winter Wastleand of ND... & they've worked great for me so far on ICE & SNOW...
|12-27-2013 12:22 PM|
|JerryJeepster||I don't do winter driving here in Florida but the Duratracs are stud compatible!|
|12-27-2013 12:14 PM|
Howdy from Sweden
Goodyear in Sweden say that Dura trac is not a winter tire and then not allowed in Sweden in wintertime. So Dura trac is not a true winter tire, so maybe the rubber is to hard or to few saipings?
But what do they mean? Ofcourse Goodyear want to sell tires but they say that Dura Trac is not a tire for the winter use. They only mension UltraGrip SUV here as a legal tire here.
I think here the manufacturer says here what is legal or not.
I wanted a aggressive wintertire and I went with Cooper st Maxx and according to Cooper in Sweden it is a wintertire and then it is legal in Sweden.
ST maxx have less sieps than a duratrac but is legal here, but if Goodyear sold st maxx they would probably not be concidered as a wintertire and not be legal.
A true wintertire is better but looks boring thats why I went with the most aggressive approved wintertire here and I got mine studded 265/70/17 Cooper st Maxx
|12-27-2013 12:00 PM|
|12-27-2013 11:43 AM|
I have been using BFG All-Terrain T/A KO tires on all my trucks for 25 years all year round. The last 11 years I have even plowed with them on my 3/4 ton Dodge. Never got stuck or slid of the road in Winter.
|12-27-2013 11:04 AM|
|12-27-2013 10:10 AM|
Duratracs are the *only* MT that is rated for winter and compliant with the new driving laws. That being said, a 12.5" wide tread face is often undesirable with it's lower contact patch psi.
Studded arctic claw tires on my Jku, sandbags and my recovery gear right on the axle for more weight
We had a horrible storm of 5hrs of freezing rain, followed by a 12" dump of snow, then a -25 deep freeze. Hard pack glare ice for 2 weeks everywhere.
Setup worked great.
|12-27-2013 10:03 AM|
|i82much||Just because it has a snowflake does not mean it is a true winter tire. Ice performance from anything other than a dedicated winter tire is going to be iffy at best.|
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