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06-04-2012 11:27 AM
ShoreWrangler
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Originally Posted by NJeepChic View Post
The first time I used my sunrider I did not know not to release the pins over the door. If you manage to do this you will have to take the top all the way down and then back up. Do not release those pins!

I have since learned - unlatch at header - slide the plastic slevees on the frame forward - fold top back! Enjoy!!
This is exactly what I did, released the pins and could not get them back on. had to take all the way down and do the whole process to get them back on (in the freaking winter of course). Those pins are a major PITA to get back on if you release then accidentally. Like others have said, the trick I learned for getting the pins back in is to release the said panels and pull the whole top forward and up, then attach the pins, then pull the back of the top and sail panels back down and attach.

Thank God I have learned most of the tricks. I do much better now
06-04-2012 10:07 AM
djohnjimmy
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Originally Posted by JB71 View Post
Mine were in my glove box along with the elastic straps for the rear window.

I don't use them though, this is what I use: Musician's Gear Cable Ties 5 Pack | GuitarCenter.......I just leave them attached to the soft top frame so I don't lose them. When the top is up they are out of the way above the side roll bars and when I pull the sunrider top back they are right there ready to secure the bows together.

These little suckers come in handy...especially with music gear.
Thanks for the tip on the Cable Ties. I bought them.
06-04-2012 09:49 AM
djohnjimmy I finally ended up taking to another dealer (Heritage Jeep, Parksville) to fix the soft top installation. Let's hope they will install it right. Good Service is hard to find around here.
06-02-2012 04:48 PM
marc1230 Had a small but important typo in my above post #29 - could figure out how to edit it in pace - here's the correction:

just discovered that my right passenger side sunrider bar hole was not locked into the pin - this makes it much harder to latch the top to the windshield header. so my revised tips are
1. release the rear sail panels, pull the soft top forward from inside the jeep (holding the front middle of the top)
2. lay down the top bars onto the front door frames, check that both sides are latched correctly to the pins on the top of the doors. check that the bars are symmetric and are inside their grooves on the top of the door frame.
3. if the soft top is now locked with both side pins, you can now attach the rear sail panels, this will not add tension to the front anymore.
4. now spread the soft tops 2 piece front latches 180 degrees flat, and easily hook the front section into the attachment point on the windshield header, close the latches and you're good!


side windows are pretty easy, for the rear window I find that either removing the lower bar, or sliding it temporarily to the right (away from the zippers) makes it much much easier to attach the rear zippers together on the left sail panel - there's a lot more stretch and play with the fabric without the rear window bar in the way.
06-02-2012 10:39 AM
marc1230
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Originally Posted by marc1230 View Post
2 tricks to getting the soft top to latch were mentioned above and I concur , at least for the 2DR.
1. the latches separate and spread to 180 degrees, this gives the hook part more reach, the handle part of the latch should be pulled all the way back and the hook part forward to catch the metal "loop" on the windshied header
2. release the rear sails (the 2 parts that form the left and right sides of the back). this allows the front of the soft top a little extra reach
just discovered that my right passenger side sunrider bar hole was not locked into the pin - this makes it much harder to latch the top to the windshield header. so my revised tips are
1. release the rear sail panels, pull the soft top forward from inside the jeep (holding the front middle of the top)
2. lay down the top bars onto the front door frames, check that both sides are latched correctly to the pins on the top of the doors. check that the bars are symmetric and are inside their grooves on the top of the door frame.
3. if the soft top is not locked with both side pins, you can now attach the rear sail panels, this will not add tension to the front anymore.
4. now spread the soft tops 2 piece front latches 180 degrees flat, and easily hook the front section into the attachment point on the windshield header, close the latches and you're good!


side windows are pretty easy, for the rear window I find that either removing the lower bar, or sliding it temporarily to the right (away from the zippers) makes it much much easier to attach the rear zippers together on the left sail panel - there's a lot more stretch and play with the fabric without the rear window bar in the way.
05-25-2012 12:59 PM
snochick lol I did this when I put the top on our rubi. The day I got it the weather was nice so I never actually folded it up for about 2 weeks till some nasty clouds rolled in. So at 10:30 at night I'm out there trying to put a soft top up for the first time before rain hits. Couldn't get that thing to clip up front to save my life.

After about an hour of fidgeting in the dark I finally go grab a maglight and found that lever on top of the door with the pin to hold the sunrider in place wasn't actually engaged on either side of the frame. Amazing how easy it closes when you actually make sure that part is on right. lol

What's funnier is I did the same thing on the Gecko a month later. Only I figured out my blunder a lot faster that time.
05-24-2012 09:37 PM
jmm0122
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Originally Posted by Awiz90 View Post
Does anyone use the sunrider without it strapped down? I absolutely cannot find the straps. Is it possible that they didnt put them on my jk? Or is it hidden somewhere? Am I safe without them? Thanks
I haven't had mine strapped down and it seems to be doing fine. The straps where in my glove box when I first got my JK. As stated you can always ask the dealership if they have any laying around but honestly you don't need them.
05-24-2012 09:36 PM
JB71
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Originally Posted by cavsvet74 View Post
I have never used anything to hold the sunrider back. Haven't had any issues yet.
I don't think the velcro is used to keep the sunrider top back.....it's there to keep it from flying back forward under hard braking, high winds, etc...

You know....an ounce of prevention.....
05-24-2012 09:33 PM
cavsvet74
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Originally Posted by Awiz90 View Post
Does anyone use the sunrider without it strapped down?
I have never used anything to hold the sunrider back. Haven't had any issues yet.
05-24-2012 09:27 PM
JB71
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Originally Posted by Awiz90 View Post
Does anyone use the sunrider without it strapped down? I absolutely cannot find the straps. Is it possible that they didnt put them on my jk? Or is it hidden somewhere? Am I safe without them? Thanks
Mine were in my glove box along with the elastic straps for the rear window.

I don't use them though, this is what I use: Musician's Gear Cable Ties 5 Pack | GuitarCenter.......I just leave them attached to the soft top frame so I don't lose them. When the top is up they are out of the way above the side roll bars and when I pull the sunrider top back they are right there ready to secure the bows together.

These little suckers come in handy...especially with music gear.
05-24-2012 09:14 PM
Blastek
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Originally Posted by Awiz90 View Post
Does anyone use the sunrider without it strapped down? I absolutely cannot find the straps. Is it possible that they didnt put them on my jk? Or is it hidden somewhere? Am I safe without them? Thanks
yeah i've driven without them strapped. i don't think it makes a big difference. just go get some velcro straps somewhere or ask the dealer for them.
05-24-2012 07:30 PM
Awiz90 Does anyone use the sunrider without it strapped down? I absolutely cannot find the straps. Is it possible that they didnt put them on my jk? Or is it hidden somewhere? Am I safe without them? Thanks
05-24-2012 07:08 PM
NJeepChic The first time I used my sunrider I did not know not to release the pins over the door. If you manage to do this you will have to take the top all the way down and then back up. Do not release those pins!

I have since learned - unlatch at header - slide the plastic slevees on the frame forward - fold top back! Enjoy!!
05-24-2012 04:39 PM
marc1230 2 tricks to getting the soft top to latch were mentioned above and I concur , at least for the 2DR.
1. the latches separate and spread to 180 degrees, this gives the hook part more reach, the handle part of the latch should be pulled all the way back and the hook part forward to catch the metal "loop" on the windshied header
2. release the rear sails (the 2 parts that form the left and right sides of the back). this allows the front of the soft top a little extra reach
05-24-2012 04:25 PM
JB71
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Originally Posted by Awiz90 View Post
Ok, so I absolutely could NOT get the pins into the hole above the door trim. It just wasn't happening. So I took the rear and side windows out, put the whole top in the down position and me and a coworker put it back up. Absolutely NO problem clipping it back up. This seems to be the only solution to the problem. Can I now confirm that when putting the sun-rider top back, I should not release the clips above the door trim? Also, once the sun-rider top is put back, is there some sort of strap that ties it down? I cannot seem to locate it. Thanks again for the help guys. This should be a sticky to save people the frustration many of us seem to be having lol
Glad you got it.....and yes it's WAY easier if you remove the rear and side windows and pull the sail panels (as I directed djohnjimmy) before clipping in the door pins.

I figured that was the problem...now you don't release the door pin latches when operating the sunrider top, only if you want to put the entire top down. Use the velcro straps provided to secure the sunride top in the open position.

Or...I use guitar cable velcro straps (the ones that attach to the cable) to secure mine because I can just leave them attached and not have to worry about losing the straps. I bought a crap load of them because they always end up missing after gigs!
05-24-2012 04:01 PM
jp2611
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Originally Posted by Awiz90 View Post
Ok, so I absolutely could NOT get the pins into the hole above the door trim. It just wasn't happening. So I took the rear and side windows out, put the whole top in the down position and me and a coworker put it back up. Absolutely NO problem clipping it back up. This seems to be the only solution to the problem. Can I now confirm that when putting the sun-rider top back, I should not release the clips above the door trim? Also, once the sun-rider top is put back, is there some sort of strap that ties it down? I cannot seem to locate it. Thanks again for the help guys. This should be a sticky to save people the frustration many of us seem to be having lol
You are correct do not release pins/ clips above door trim. Will be stupid easy next time.

My '12 came with 2 straps/velcro pieces that secure frame to rollbar when sun rider option is used.

Good LUCK!!
05-24-2012 03:57 PM
Awiz90 Ok, so I absolutely could NOT get the pins into the hole above the door trim. It just wasn't happening. So I took the rear and side windows out, put the whole top in the down position and me and a coworker put it back up. Absolutely NO problem clipping it back up. This seems to be the only solution to the problem. Can I now confirm that when putting the sun-rider top back, I should not release the clips above the door trim? Also, once the sun-rider top is put back, is there some sort of strap that ties it down? I cannot seem to locate it. Thanks again for the help guys. This should be a sticky to save people the frustration many of us seem to be having lol
05-24-2012 03:05 PM
JB71
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Originally Posted by djohnjimmy View Post
WOW. It's that easy huh?

I asked the technician who installed the top about the sunrider position and he was not even aware of it. I had to show him the youtube video of how we can just open the front part of it. He did not know what the two front header latches were there for. May be I should take it to another Jeep showroom.

I went to the Antwerpen Chrysler Jeep in Baltimore where I bought the Jeep from. Does anyone else know a good Jeep repair shop around here. I can google this but I am hoping someone here has a recommendation.

Also, do you guys know where i can order the parts for the sunrider roof? I damaged some screws on the side the holds the center and the front headers together. They are held together with two plastic washes that are very fragile.
If your dealer was not aware of the sunrider roof option then it's a good possibility the two door frame pins are not latched and this is what is causing the difficulty with the front header latches...shame on that dealer.

Remove the rear and side windows and unclip the rear sail panels from their channels. This will free up the entire top so you can re-position it. Now pull the entire top forward one side at a time until you hear the pins lock into place on the door frame latches.

When you open the door you will see the little lever that you press to unlatch the pins in order to put the entire top down. The top should lock into these pins, this will allow you to open the sunrider without the entire top slipping backwards and thus making it almost impossible to re-latch it at the winsdhield header. With those pins latched in place the top doesn't move and the header latches line up perfect every time.

In all honesty, it really is that easy and my daughter really does put it up and down (the sunrider part, not the whole top) with no issues at all, I only showed her one time how to do it.
05-24-2012 02:58 PM
cavsvet74 The main latches should spread 180deg apart. Not opening the latches all the way is a common reason for not being able to close the top. If that doesn't work, as firehawk said, undo the sail panels.
05-24-2012 02:38 PM
djohnjimmy
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Originally Posted by JB71 View Post
Sounds like something is still not connected right. Once the door frame pins are latched you should be able to move the sunrider top from closed to open to closed again with no problems.

I don't know about the 4 door but the 2012 2 door is easy.....slide the two plastic hinge locks back, unlatch the two front header latches and fold back. To put it back, reverse the process....simple.

My 11 year old daughter can do it by herself in no time.

Something is not right with your top installation, it should not be that hard.
WOW. It's that easy huh?

I asked the technician who installed the top about the sunrider position and he was not even aware of it. I had to show him the youtube video of how we can just open the front part of it. He did not know what the two front header latches were there for. May be I should take it to another Jeep showroom.

I went to the Antwerpen Chrysler Jeep in Baltimore where I bought the Jeep from. Does anyone else know a good Jeep repair shop around here. I can google this but I am hoping someone here has a recommendation.

Also, do you guys know where i can order the parts for the sunrider roof? I damaged some screws on the side the holds the center and the front headers together. They are held together with two plastic washes that are very fragile.
05-24-2012 02:22 PM
JB71
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Originally Posted by djohnjimmy View Post
Holy, this is the exact problem I have been having all week. I bought the sunrider soft top last week and decided not to pay the $300 installation fee as I thought I can assemble/install it myself. After 6-7 hours of struggling with the STUPID instruction manual which is not very clear for a newbie, I was able to install it but at the end, I found that the clips in the front won't latch. So, disappointed I took it to the dealer here in Baltimore and they charged me $210 to just put it in. All they did was just to latch it in and may be tighten some screws in the middle. The service guy told me that the technician had to work 2 hours on this. BULL. I did all the work myself but they charged me for it. It was ridiculous.

Anyways, I got the jeep back, tried to open just the front and later it won't latch back in. I finally had to drive 10 miles to the dealership with the top in that position to get it to latch. This is ridiculous. It should not be this hard. HORRIBLE design.

The solution that they told me is to pull everything into front and then latch it in, then put everything back in. And it takes two people to do this. Good luck!

Sounds like something is still not connected right. Once the door frame pins are latched you should be able to move the sunrider top from closed to open to closed again with no problems.

I don't know about the 4 door but the 2012 2 door is easy.....slide the two plastic hinge locks back, unlatch the two front header latches and fold back. To put it back, reverse the process....simple.

My 11 year old daughter can do it by herself in no time.

Something is not right with your top installation, it should not be that hard.
05-24-2012 01:57 PM
Savora Just go topless
05-24-2012 01:48 PM
djohnjimmy Holy, this is the exact problem I have been having all week. I bought the sunrider soft top last week and decided not to pay the $300 installation fee as I thought I can assemble/install it myself. After 6-7 hours of struggling with the STUPID instruction manual which is not very clear for a newbie, I was able to install it but at the end, I found that the clips in the front won't latch. So, disappointed I took it to the dealer here in Baltimore and they charged me $210 to just put it in. All they did was just to latch it in and may be tighten some screws in the middle. The service guy told me that the technician had to work 2 hours on this. BULL. I did all the work myself but they charged me for it. It was ridiculous.

Anyways, I got the jeep back, tried to open just the front and later it won't latch back in. I finally had to drive 10 miles to the dealership with the top in that position to get it to latch. This is ridiculous. It should not be this hard. HORRIBLE design.

The solution that they told me is to pull everything into front and then latch it in, then put everything back in. And it takes two people to do this. Good luck!
05-24-2012 12:25 PM
SlackerMD also remember...if you drive with the top in the sunrider position, unzip the sides of the back window (or roll it up) if you plan on going more than ~40-45mph, otherwise it could be a pain trying to get a new top to latch back in the front.
05-24-2012 12:23 PM
JB71 Just another note, those side pins are there so that if you do put down just the sunrider portion of the top, the entire top wont move back or worse get blown back and ripped off the jeep while driving.

I was kinda shocked that mine was brand new from the dealer with the soft top not installed correctly!
05-24-2012 12:20 PM
Awiz90 Thanks guys, I'm going to try that in a little bit and see if that solves my problem. Much appreciated.
05-24-2012 12:17 PM
jp2611
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Originally Posted by JB71 View Post
It is entirely possible that the two pins located just above the door frame are not in place.

When I first got my 12 from the dealer I put back the sunrider part of the top. When I went to put it back on, I had a hell of a time getting the right side to latch (same issues you were having...latch wouldn't reach) So I removed the side window and pulled the rear corner sail panel out of it's rail to give myself the most play in the top I could. At this point I realized the right side pin was not in it's slot. I pulled it forward into place until it clicked in and now the latch lines up perfect every time.

Check the little latches above the door frame(s) these are the ones you need to disconnect in order to put the entire top down. Make sure they are both in their slots.

oops I type to slow
05-24-2012 12:16 PM
jp2611 I also have a JK and could not believe how hard it was to operate the sunrider.

Did some reading/ asking and found out that there are 2 "pins" one on either side of the Jeep that hold the top Forward when sunrider is used. one of mine was not attached.......

Opened top completely installed pins and secured properly been great every since.

And this is from someone who has been around Jeeps for a while. Never thought about that part being "different".

Check your owner's manual for clarification if I don't make sense.

Good Luck!!
05-24-2012 12:16 PM
firehawk
softop

hi, i have had the same problem and found if you remove the sail
panel on either side of the back of the jeep then you can connect the
front clips then go to the back of the jeep and reconnect the sail panel.
hope this helps..also take a look on youtube on how to lower and lift the
soft top..
05-24-2012 12:14 PM
JB71 It is entirely possible that the two pins located just above the door frame are not in place.

When I first got my 12 from the dealer I put back the sunrider part of the top. When I went to put it back on, I had a hell of a time getting the right side to latch (same issues you were having...latch wouldn't reach) So I removed the side window and pulled the rear corner sail panel out of it's rail to give myself the most play in the top I could. At this point I realized the right side pin was not in it's slot. I pulled it forward into place until it clicked in and now the latch lines up perfect every time.

Check the little latches above the door frame(s) these are the ones you need to disconnect in order to put the entire top down. Make sure they are both in their slots.
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