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08-22-2013 12:32 PM
Jeepin Bowhunter
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Originally Posted by TrueBlueJK View Post
The square headlight jeep era in the 90's was considered the "yuppie jeep era". Jeep enthusiasts were really pissed because the wrangler lost its famous appeal.

There was no Wrangler appeal before square headlights. The previous model was the CJ-7.
08-22-2013 09:51 AM
i82much
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Originally Posted by overblown View Post
I like the way this guy thinks! Couldn't have said it better myself
Drop the hammer baby!
08-22-2013 08:24 AM
JandS
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Originally Posted by kcraw View Post
Comparing the ratios of the 5-speed...

Mercedes-Benz 5G-Tronic transmission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

...with that of the 8 speed...


ZF 8HP transmission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

...I suspect it would do quit well off road AND be better on the highway.
Exactly.

Despite the constant concerns over the decades, Jeep has always made the next Wrangler perform better on and off road better than the last Wrangler. Any boo-boo you hear ahead of a release is people who are simply insecure about their Wrangler being a generation older or not having the same cool stuff.
08-22-2013 12:24 AM
overblown
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Originally Posted by i82much View Post
505 CID 65 GTO (IA2 aftermarket block). Going home to replace a Holley metering block tonight and get her back on the road.

I'd love an 8 speed auto in my JKUR. For my goat, I don't need no stinkin' 8 gears! A muncie four speed for me!!!

If the 8 speed has pretty wide ratios you could see people going to bigger tires without needing to regear, that would be cool. I think the 3.6 is a good thing, the 5 speed is a good thing, and the 8 speed would be even better. It's all good.

For the modern cars/daily driver types, I want comfort and technology. For the older iron, I want a nasty idle, a thunderous roar when the throttle is opened, the ass-end to go sideways, my girlfriend to spill her drink, and then bang second and watch the ass-end go sideways again.
I like the way this guy thinks! Couldn't have said it better myself
08-21-2013 08:43 PM
i82much
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Originally Posted by pkmcd99 View Post
Praise allah! Love classic pontiacs : )
505 CID 65 GTO (IA2 aftermarket block). Going home to replace a Holley metering block tonight and get her back on the road.

I'd love an 8 speed auto in my JKUR. For my goat, I don't need no stinkin' 8 gears! A muncie four speed for me!!!

If the 8 speed has pretty wide ratios you could see people going to bigger tires without needing to regear, that would be cool. I think the 3.6 is a good thing, the 5 speed is a good thing, and the 8 speed would be even better. It's all good.

For the modern cars/daily driver types, I want comfort and technology. For the older iron, I want a nasty idle, a thunderous roar when the throttle is opened, the ass-end to go sideways, my girlfriend to spill her drink, and then bang second and watch the ass-end go sideways again.
08-21-2013 08:34 PM
Lowerumble
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Originally Posted by Thracks View Post
Nope. I love it when I hear new things happening with the Wrangler. Who wouldn't want more power and fuel economy? More comfort? Better all-around performance and quality is always a good thing to me.
Gotta be careful with "more comfort". That could mean better seat bolsters, or independent suspension...
08-21-2013 08:28 PM
AmericaOverland
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Originally Posted by AmericaOverland View Post
That's what the red button by the gear shifter knob was for. I remember using it to shift from one set of gears to the next when I got fast enough, splitting the gears, as it were on a two-speed axle. This was some Ford, maybe a 1960s F700 or a Chevy C70? It didn't look like the 70s C70, though... I can't remember if it was a straight shift, like button-down in 3rd gear, off accel, button-up, clutch in, and shift into 4th (where 1st gear would normally be). I don't remember. It was early 80s by the time I was driving it.

Unbelievable!! I was visiting my stepmother during my rest visit off the ranch this week (I've been volunteering on a ranch outside of Hallettsville all summer and leave at the end of this month to go to Houston to house-sit for a month before heading off near Brenham to help develop a personal farm this fall). She found the last box of photos that my Dad had (I'm waiting for her to send me a batch of photos of hurricane-grade lighting towers that he built for the greater Corpus Christie area football stadiums and other places, so all I can say about one thing is that there appears to be parked close by a Jeep that was something that came after the CJ-3A with the rounded fenders, one-piece windshield with rounded corners, AND a lefty spare-tire mount). Remember when I made the above comment? Well... In that box were a set of 4 photos of a 2.5-ton truck and dozer (D-6) set that I got to drive on several ranches as a kid (they were all next to each other off to the southeast of FM Road 2688 (connects to Hwy 83 southeast of Carrizo Springs in south Texas), on the other side from the Brisco ranch). Can anyone here ID this Ford truck, which was equipped with the two-speed rear axle?
10-13-2012 09:48 AM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by TrueBlueJK View Post
The square headlight jeep era in the 90's was considered the "yuppie jeep era". Jeep enthusiasts were really pissed because the wrangler lost its famous appeal.
I always think changes are good but Chrysler made a mistake with the square headlight design; that's like putting flip-up lights on a Porsche 911, though Porsche did build the Slant-nose 911. Even though you could get the Slant, a 911 with the standard nose could be had. Jeep should have done the same.

That being said, when I joined the site I did go "hunting" on the forum for modified models with the square headlights. I like them because they're different, but I prefer the round lights on a Jeep.
10-13-2012 09:32 AM
TrueBlueJK
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Originally Posted by Con Artist View Post
Well according to some, the "yuppie Jeep" has come back...as the Unlimited.

What's the "yuppie Jeep?"
The square headlight jeep era in the 90's was considered the "yuppie jeep era". Jeep enthusiasts were really pissed because the wrangler lost its famous appeal.
10-13-2012 09:18 AM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by TrueBlueJK View Post
I hope the "yuppie jeep" era doesn't come back.
Well according to some, the "yuppie Jeep" has come back...as the Unlimited.

What's the "yuppie Jeep?"
10-13-2012 09:13 AM
TrueBlueJK I hope the "yuppie jeep" era doesn't come back.
10-13-2012 07:06 AM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by Thracks View Post
Close mindedness is the opposite of logical thinking.

Nope. I love it when I hear new things happening with the Wrangler. Who wouldn't want more power and fuel economy? More comfort? Better all-around performance and quality is always a good thing to me.
I agree! I will always like that sense of "rawness" accustomed to the Wrangler, but you're not going to hear any complaints from me in terms of seat comfort, options, acceleration, or handling characteristics. As long as the Wrangler keeps every bit of its offroad capabilities, I welcome improvements.

At the end of the day, no, I don't want a lifeless vehicle like a Lexus, Audi, BMW, or Land Rover, but I do like to "feel" the vehicle when I'm driving. We had an Audi for three years an while it was a nice car, it was just "too nice" for me to like it. I much preferred the "alive" feeling of my STi, save for the seats.
10-13-2012 06:58 AM
chim-chim7
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Originally Posted by kbwwolf View Post
8-speed?

First gear, shift at 2 mph. Second gear, at 3 mph...sixth, seventh and eighth, unusable with anything over 33" tires, until regear.

Keep it simple. Six speed manual.

Yep the manual 6 works great. I also have a 5 speed auto. It does enough hunting on the freeway, slight gust of wind or grade and it's constantly down or upshifting. 8 speed might be ok in aerodynamic vehicle.
10-13-2012 06:46 AM
kbwwolf 8-speed?

First gear, shift at 2 mph. Second gear, at 3 mph...sixth, seventh and eighth, unusable with anything over 33" tires, until regear.

Keep it simple. Six speed manual.
10-13-2012 06:19 AM
chim-chim7 8-Speed may not be good on a vehicle that is so easily affected by slight grades or wind. You might get more hunting than opening day on duck season.
10-13-2012 12:14 AM
Thracks
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Originally Posted by C.L. View Post
Yeah, but it'll look like a tool doing it.
I think the person who still thinks older cars are better than newer cars is the one that's going to look like a tool.
10-13-2012 12:09 AM
Thracks .
10-13-2012 12:04 AM
Thracks
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Originally Posted by Con Artist View Post
I may not "feel" R&D but I know for a fact a 350ci is as reliable as they come, not to mention the HUGE aftermarket for them. How'bout the ease of working on them? Technology is a wonderful thing until it breaks...
Sounds like you're just too lazy to learn how a modern engine works.
10-12-2012 11:59 PM
Thracks
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Originally Posted by JandS View Post
(2) Owners of old Jeeps will always beotch about new technology or designs of newer Jeeps.
Close mindedness is the opposite of logical thinking.

Nope. I love it when I hear new things happening with the Wrangler. Who wouldn't want more power and fuel economy? More comfort? Better all-around performance and quality is always a good thing to me.
06-13-2012 05:40 AM
BagerX2
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Originally Posted by lee indy

yeah id probably order a manual when it happens. Chrysler might do it some day. I'm not holding my breath but it will mean a 2 door rubi with every possible option when they do. it will be the last vechile I ever buy.
I dont know if it will or not. I hope it does. If it does happen I'll be ready. A good habit I have been into since I have been driving is a savings account for automotive related events like getting repair work done or using that fund as a down payment for a new vehicle if I dont have to dipp into that fund. I saved up 7 or 8 grand during the 3 years I had my last vehicle. I didnt need any repair work so all that went down on the Jeep.
06-12-2012 10:58 PM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by Posts On Percocet View Post
That's cool, I guess I just don't know why you'd take R&D over more horsepower and torque.

I mean, you're not going to feel R&D while driving down the road. Also, you have to remember that the R&D that went into the small block wasn't just thrown out the window. the stuff they learned from the small block was transferred over into the newer engines.

For example, I was in an 85 corvette. 350 smallblock that, put out around 230 horsepower. Our new 2012 Grand Sport vette has a small block that puts out 436HP. Why would you take the older, inferior engine? Plus, the R&D helped the small block get to where it is today, it wasn't wasted.
I may not "feel" R&D but I know for a fact a 350ci is as reliable as they come, not to mention the HUGE aftermarket for them. How'bout the ease of working on them? Technology is a wonderful thing until it breaks...
06-12-2012 10:36 PM
lee indy
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Originally Posted by BagerX2

Not sure about the 8-speed, but diesel = new jkus for me day one its out.
yeah id probably order a manual when it happens. Chrysler might do it some day. I'm not holding my breath but it will mean a 2 door rubi with every possible option when they do. it will be the last vechile I ever buy.
06-12-2012 07:32 PM
Posts On Percocet
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Originally Posted by Con Artist View Post
Not necessarily. I'll take a GM first generation smallblock over an LSx engine any day. Those smallblocks had over 50 years of R&D behind them. How many years of R&D did an LSx engine have behind it?

That being said, I drove a 3.8L and a 3.6L Pentastar. I don't find either one to be all that quick so it really didn't matter all that much to me. Given a choice, I would choose the Pentastar again.

That's cool, I guess I just don't know why you'd take R&D over more horsepower and torque.

I mean, you're not going to feel R&D while driving down the road. Also, you have to remember that the R&D that went into the small block wasn't just thrown out the window. the stuff they learned from the small block was transferred over into the newer engines.

For example, I was in an 85 corvette. 350 smallblock that, put out around 230 horsepower. Our new 2012 Grand Sport vette has a small block that puts out 436HP. Why would you take the older, inferior engine? Plus, the R&D helped the small block get to where it is today, it wasn't wasted.
06-11-2012 07:51 PM
BagerX2
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Originally Posted by lee indy
8 speed + diesel= new rubicon for me
Not sure about the 8-speed, but diesel = new jkus for me day one its out.
06-11-2012 07:28 PM
Beastmaster Wow, 9 - speed?

In town it seems like I am constantly shifting with a 6 - speed.

I rember my first Jeep = 3 speed on the column and it worked fine for me.

06-11-2012 07:21 PM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by Posts On Percocet View Post
No, I didn't bash it. I didn't say it was a POS, I said it was inferior to the Pentastar. That is, going by the numbers, factual. You seem to have an incorrect assumption on what the word inferior means.

in·fe·ri·or

   [in-feer-ee-er] Show IPA
adjective 1. lower in station, rank, degree, or grade (often followed by to ): a rank inferior to colonel.

2. lower in place or position; closer to the bottom or base: descending into the inferior regions of the earth.

3. of comparatively low grade; poor in quality; substandard: an inferior product.

4. less important, valuable, or worthy: B+ bonds are inferior to AAA bonds.

5. acting or performing in a way that is comparatively poor or mediocre: an inferior observer of human nature.



Statistic? Don't have one besides everyone I know who drove both likes the newer engine. It comes down to how many people. given the choice, will pick the engine with less power and worse gas mileage? It's common sense.
Not necessarily. I'll take a GM first generation smallblock over an LSx engine any day. Those smallblocks had over 50 years of R&D behind them. How many years of R&D did an LSx engine have behind it?

That being said, I drove a 3.8L and a 3.6L Pentastar. I don't find either one to be all that quick so it really didn't matter all that much to me. Given a choice, I would choose the Pentastar again.
06-11-2012 06:03 PM
lee indy 8 speed + diesel= new rubicon for me
06-11-2012 05:36 PM
Ricky-2012JKU
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Originally Posted by jands
i've been into jeeps for a few decades know and i've learned that there are only two universal truths about jeeps:
(1) a jeep, whether 25 years old with an anemic 4pot or brand spankin' new, is a great car to drive; and
(2) owners of old jeeps will always beotch about new technology or designs of newer jeeps.

For every guy saying "pentastar rocks," there is a 3.8 guy saying "enjoy your ticking time bomb for every guy with a 3.8, there is a 4.0 guy saying "minivan engine." for every guy with a 4.0, there is a amc v8 guy saying "you're missing 2 cylinders." on and on it goes.

People with older jeeps will always harp about theirs was either the last good jeep or that a certain component will never be the same. Despite this, every generation of wrangler offers its buyer more utility on road and off road.
x2
06-11-2012 03:59 PM
daedalus Glad you guys love your Jeeps. I'll still wave to you! Well that is if my inferior 3.8 can muster up enough speed to make it onto the road.
06-11-2012 03:56 PM
Jeeperz Creeperz As always as soon as you buy something there will be a newer better version coming out. I will enjoy mine until I feel like getting rid of it or until the wheels fall off.

Here is my favorite commercial about this theme. Enjoy!

Best Buy "Buy Back" Commercial - Technology moves fast - YouTube
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