|02-25-2013 08:23 PM|
|ohioviper||All 7 of the Jeeps Ive owner over the past 25 years were manuals. I loved having control and shifting gears. I never had good luck with autos lasting . For me in years past it came down to I felt the manual was a more reliable option over the autos and everytime I would test drive one it was in the back of my mind Chrysler auto tranny = junk but now it is no longer the case. The new auto with the manual shift offers the best of both worlds and has proven itself reliable and possibly more so than the new manual . I like that I can take manual control when I want to hold a gear on the trail or full auto for my DD when I dont want to be pumping a clutch pedal in traffic.|
|02-25-2013 07:09 PM|
I've found the hdc works pretty well on moderate descents. Its pretty useless on ice, she can't keep up with slipping and descending, & anything steep and rocky that I need to seriously crawl down slower than she can handle in first. You can use the brake with hdc, but its weird & if I need to go slower that it can handle, I just turn it off. But for a moderate descent it works well & keeps me off the brakes.
As far as the auto/manual all of my jeep friends swear by their manuals - until they wheel mine. Not saying they'd give up their sticks, just yet, but I can see the love & appreciation growing.
Ive driven sticks all my life but with knee surgeries I opted for the auto on this Jeep. I'm glad I did as I'm still learning to drive off road, it's much less stressful to not have to worry about what gear I'm in. The one thing I find hard to remember with the auto is to keep my hand on the shifter to dump it in neutral if her ass end is slipping out on me on the ice, of if (God forbid) I'm about to go over backwards going up a steep incline. I forget.
|02-25-2013 06:33 PM|
Auto's easier off-road
The auto has some offroad advantages that make it easier to drive off-road. If your into really gnarly stuff it could even make it more fun. I personally love having a stick.
There is an auto convert called Jerry Bransford that a super crusty wheeler and knows what he is talking about. Here is one of his quotes Auto vs. stick???? - Page 4 - JeepForum.com
Usually in these threads someone brings up that autos can over heat. I think that with the current state of the auto transmission cooler that isn't a major issue.
I have heard there is also an issue with auto's going very near vertical where they can stall out. I'm sorry I cannot expand on why it happens.
|02-25-2013 06:25 PM|
|02-25-2013 04:55 PM|
kcraw: This thread hasn't seen too much activity lately but I've got exactly the same questions as your original post. My question to you is... what did you ultimately decide to do? Did you stick with the stick or move on to the auto? Are you happy with your decision? If you moved to auto, can you share your thoughts on the upside/downside?
|07-10-2012 06:15 PM|
|07-10-2012 05:52 PM|
My '11 was auto and my '12 is stick. For the trail I MUCH prefer the auto. The HDC is simply awesome. It'll hold you to slow speed in 1st, a little faster in 2nd, and 15 MPH in 3rd I believe. I really loved it. It's also great being able to just shift to drive and 4-low and then forget about the rest. Makes the trail so much more enjoyable.
The manual is good for the road...I'm seeing better mileage and I get to pick the gear for my needs to keep RPMs down and economy up. I like that.
|07-10-2012 05:27 PM|
hi, teck tip #1. you save $1125 with the stick..
|07-10-2012 05:13 PM|
This could be a really interesting technical discussion if we had more info, but we'd almost need a powertrain engineer to really break it down for us. I do not think that there is any appreciable advantage to either transmission in any situation that you are likely to encounter. I think that if you were going to be hard enough on the Jeep to notice the difference, you'd already be so hard-core into offroading that you'd already know the answer.
I don't mean that to be insulting, goodness knows I have no intention of doing anything crazy with my Jeep to where the difference would be appreciable. And I am just as interested as you are in how the technical aspects of the different transmissions come into play. I just don't think we are likely to get a satisfactory scientific explanation on the internet without involving an engineer with direct powertrain experience.
|07-10-2012 04:06 PM|
|tacojeep||I love driving the manual... just bought my JKR and the dealer had to find a manual... nearest one was 200 miles away.|
|06-13-2012 11:50 AM|
In the name of science-I took off after work last night and hit the nearest fire road before it got dark. Plus I wanted to test her before the lift gets put on this weekend. Important research and all. Not exactly heavy stuff- not exactly crawling- but I tried the hill descent again on a gnarly side trail. It worked really well- but its so hard to "let" the Jeep do it by itself I just don't think its beneficial. I can't imagine relying on the HDC on a really steep or difficult maneuver.
I love my Jeep! Top down, sun setting through the canyons, gettin' dirty in my plain old stock JK. Still grinning like a fool on just a plain old fire road. Why does anyone drive anything else?
|06-12-2012 08:29 PM|
|06-12-2012 08:17 PM|
|JEEPDON||After my "no start" issues recently; I wouldn't have a JK with an auto. Period. With my manual, I can roll the Jeep down a hill, or get a pull, or have some help pushing and bump start it, but with an auto one is flat screwed if the starter won't engage.|
|06-12-2012 07:39 PM|
Adding: Or any information on the torque converter in the new JK?
|06-12-2012 07:36 PM|
Also, anybody hear about anything like the Rubicrawler for the new engine/transmission?
|06-12-2012 07:31 PM|
It's a bit more complicated than just crawl ratios:
Torque converter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
|06-12-2012 06:46 PM|
|rics1997||Even though many have mastered the manual transmission, the fact is doing rock crawling need percise control with one foot on the gas and the other on the brake. With the JK at least you have anti-stall but it is still a lot easier with an automatic not to mention the forward momentum of the anti-stall can't over come an initial vertical climb. Also the torque converter adds the needed torque in certain situations. Of course even if you stall, in most cases it's not the worse thing that could happen. When you are going over a large rock or boulder you need to have great control especially once you hit the top of the rock. The brake is needed as to not lurk over the rock while until you break past the top most portion of the rock you still need gas. Once over the break point you also need the slow crawl and control while the rear tire may still need the push over the rock and the front is coming down. Automatics just makes this a easier process. Their is a reason more serious rock crawlers use autos over manual transmissions. But saying that, if you like a manual then get one but the auto is a better crawler but not by a whole lot when you factor in experience.|
|06-12-2012 06:17 PM|
I had an old manual TJ- and it was a ton of fun. If I didn't live in the top 10 worst cities for traffic- I'd have gotten a manual.
|06-12-2012 06:13 PM|
The auto will be running ~100 rpm faster on the interstate... potentially saving an expensive re-gear with 35"s, auto will have a better resale market when you sell, and you can shift gears in the water.
Manual's are fun to drive and get ~1mpg better at speed.
I'm trying to make the same decision myself and leaning towards the auto.
|06-12-2012 05:57 PM|
|Kelsey73||I like to drive manual trans and after selling my challenger I do miss have a MTX around and am Always looking for a good used jeep with a manual now. Ideal would be an '11 rubi 4 door|
|06-12-2012 05:56 PM|
|4Jeepn||I have had a few jeeps.. most in sticks a few in auto's.. here is what I have experienced. A lower crawl ratio(higher number) in most cases will give you more control over the trail your own. That being said, with no fancy computer crap on the jeep just the driveline a stick will be better going down a hill than an auto with no other factors, going up a hill the auto will have a slight advantage as it will not stall out, and starting and stopping will be easier. You can limp home with a stick with an auto not so easy. Autos can die if they get to much mud or water sucked it.. a stick can press on. That being said.. I like my current automatic.|
|06-12-2012 05:47 PM|
|06-12-2012 05:46 PM|
I can tell you about the daily driving aspect. I have a 6 speed 2009 JK. I love it because when I got it, it was much more responsive than the auto.
I have driven the Auto and Manual in the 3.6 liter on the 12 and I think the auto is very responsive, the 6 speed is even more responsive. I like speed and I chirped the damn tires on the sport I drove with the 6 speed.
No question for me. I like the control I have with a manual. Just my 2 cents.
|06-12-2012 05:44 PM|
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|06-12-2012 05:35 PM|
|kcraw||Also I have no idea how a torque converter comes into play with anything I said above, because I don't really know what I'm talking about it.|
|06-12-2012 05:32 PM|
|Dozer13JK||Is it just me or are todays age Jeeps more often auto now than manual? The dealership I was at had a good bit more selection in auto vs that of manual.|
|06-12-2012 05:24 PM|
From the Jeep site:
Hill Descent Control
Hill Descent Control with grade sensing allows a smooth and controlled hill descent on rough or slippery terrain without the driver needing to touch the brake pedal. This system applies the brakes to each wheel individually when needed to reduce forward motion while negotiating down steep grades.
That's why I'm slightly concerned. However, BLD seems to work pretty well. What I'm wondering from someone with experience is if BLD is to Lockers as HDC is to Engine Braking as far as performance, or if it is equally more equally effective.
The functionality of putting it into a lower gear versus pushing a button matters not to me, I only care how well it performs.
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