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07-04-2012 06:33 PM
matthew87 With Reservations, Obama Signs Act to Allow Detention of Citizens - ABC News
07-04-2012 01:24 PM
enjerhoo In the spirit of the 4th of July and the freedoms represented in our day of celebration I want to at least temorarily ressurect this post so that we can bow our heads in rememberance of the privacy we once held....
06-17-2012 12:34 PM
Posts On Percocet
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Originally Posted by Jakesdad View Post
You are preaching to the choir here because I'm mostly with you on the issue of privacy rights. I'm not "willingly" giving data to anybody. I didn't put the EDR there, and nobody is going to ask me if they can retrieve post-accident information at an accident scene. At this point I must "willingly" PREVENT that information from being retrieved. If I am in a injury or fatality accident the other party's attorney is going find out I disabled it, present that fact to the jury, and be all over that in his attempt to vilify me or make up his own version of what happened. Meanwhile, your attorney will not have this information to prove you were not at fault. You do what you want, but I'm telling you this is what it is and you can either make it work for you or against you.

I get you, but I'd rather protect myself on my own terms. Specifically made cameras that hold days of high def video and audio Mount to the rear view mirror), and some of them, if you want to spend some extra bucks, will upload the video and audio every 5, 10, whatever seconds you'd like.

That way I'M in control of my data, and I don't have to worry about it one bit.

And I know this is probably seen as hard headed, but I'll stand up for myself, I'm not going to let some scum lawyer try to vilify me for doing what I want to my property. It's a damn shame that that's what it has come to these days in this country.
06-17-2012 10:53 AM
Jakesdad
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Originally Posted by Posts On Percocet View Post
Why would you look guilty by disabling it? It's yours. That's like the police when they say that denying them a warrantless search is, in and of itself, probably cause. It's simply not true.

There is no good reason to have that there, and in the police state we live in, it'll only be a matter of time before they are used to convict us, and deny us insurance claims.

You NEVER, EVER willingly give data to the authorities. Even if you aren't paranoid there isn't a good reason to cooperate with the authorities. This is a good watch:

Don't Talk to Cops, Part 1 - YouTube

Don't Talk to Cops, Part 2 - YouTube
You are preaching to the choir here because I'm mostly with you on the issue of privacy rights. I'm not "willingly" giving data to anybody. I didn't put the EDR there, and nobody is going to ask me if they can retrieve post-accident information at an accident scene. At this point I must "willingly" PREVENT that information from being retrieved. If I am in a injury or fatality accident the other party's attorney is going find out I disabled it, present that fact to the jury, and be all over that in his attempt to vilify me or make up his own version of what happened. Meanwhile, your attorney will not have this information to prove you were not at fault. You do what you want, but I'm telling you this is what it is and you can either make it work for you or against you.
06-16-2012 05:25 PM
Posts On Percocet
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Originally Posted by Jakesdad View Post
I'm not crazy about having an EDR in my vehicle but there is no way I'm going to tamper with it. There is about a 90% chance that anything recorded is going to be in my favor because I don't do stupid stuff behind the wheel, so why would I want to throw that out and instead make myself look guilty by having an intentionally disabled EDR there for the investigator to find?

Why would you look guilty by disabling it? It's yours. That's like the police when they say that denying them a warrantless search is, in and of itself, probably cause. It's simply not true.

There is no good reason to have that there, and in the police state we live in, it'll only be a matter of time before they are used to convict us, and deny us insurance claims.

You NEVER, EVER willingly give data to the authorities. Even if you aren't paranoid there isn't a good reason to cooperate with the authorities. This is a good watch:

Don't Talk to Cops, Part 1 - YouTube

Don't Talk to Cops, Part 2 - YouTube
06-16-2012 11:33 AM
nick50471
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Originally Posted by dimasin View Post
They started putting computer chips in Beretta shotguns, so I will stay away from them too.
Please show me where this information came from. PM please as this is off topic.
06-16-2012 11:31 AM
dimasin I personally don't care about EDR but I like to be in control of things I use. Thought that I can neuter it at will would make me proud. Otherwise, if there is a need, accident reconstructionist will do their job without EDR. EDR is a part of global surveylance we are all subjected to anyways. They started putting computer chips in Beretta shotguns, so I will stay away from them too.
06-15-2012 09:22 PM
2012-Rubicon
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Originally Posted by Ottermobear
The EDR is located within the center airbag sensor/computer assembly under the center console. You can take the box out but then you have no airbag system since it's the brain of the airbag system. If you don't care about that, you have a way to disable it.
Lol....top down, doors off, no seatbelt. Nope don't need an airbag....
06-15-2012 09:05 PM
Ottermobear The EDR is located within the center airbag sensor/computer assembly under the center console. You can take the box out but then you have no airbag system since it's the brain of the airbag system. If you don't care about that, you have a way to disable it.
06-15-2012 07:02 PM
Up Hill Bill
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Originally Posted by sprtplt11 View Post
Is your car, your property or not? This is the problem we have now with our freedom being stolen little by little. Either there is private property in this Country or there is not. Don't get me started on property taxes...
Correction: our freedom was stolen little by little.

Used to be, if it was illegal, ya' couldn't do it. Now, if you don't have the government's permission, ya' can't do it.

You will allow 'us' to record your vehicle's data, or you can't drive it.

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Originally Posted by Jakesdad View Post
Yeah, it's my private property and I can do anything I want with it........ in my backyard. When I take it on to city, state, and public property (the roads), they get to tell me what kinds of mandatory equipment I need to have on it. And the list is long. Like I said, If I had my way it wouldn't be there, but it is, so I intend to make it work in my favor. Tampering with it will get you nothing but problems.

Edit: Jakesdad has a good point. This "black box" ain't the hill I'm willing to die on! But, a government agent comes on my property without my permission, and without a legal warrant, to try to read my "black box", he's going to leave, or die on this hill!

Yea, there are some rednecks in California.....
06-15-2012 06:51 PM
Jakesdad
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Originally Posted by sprtplt11 View Post
Is your car, your property or not? This is the problem we have now with our freedom being stolen little by little. Either there is private property in this Country or there is not. Don't get me started on property taxes...
Yeah, it's my private property and I can do anything I want with it........ in my backyard. When I take it on to city, state, and public property (the roads), they get to tell me what kinds of mandatory equipment I need to have on it. And the list is long. Like I said, If I had my way it wouldn't be there, but it is, so I intend to make it work in my favor. Tampering with it will get you nothing but problems.
06-15-2012 06:27 PM
sprtplt11
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Originally Posted by Jakesdad View Post
I'm not crazy about having an EDR in my vehicle but there is no way I'm going to tamper with it. There is about a 90% chance that anything recorded is going to be in my favor because I don't do stupid stuff behind the wheel, so why would I want to throw that out and instead make myself look guilty by having an intentionally disabled EDR there for the investigator to find?
Is your car, your property or not? This is the problem we have now with our freedom being stolen little by little. Either there is private property in this Country or there is not. Don't get me started on property taxes...
06-15-2012 05:20 PM
kik
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Originally Posted by NYC View Post
I would think the "Progressive Snapshot" device is a recorder also that u send in to the insurance co. so they can track your driving habits.
That's a bit extreme in my book.
I don't know why anyone would voluntarily submit to that. I still laugh every time I see that commercial. "Flo" can kiss my ***.
06-15-2012 03:58 PM
JeeperJake
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Originally Posted by Jakesdad View Post
I'm not crazy about having an EDR in my vehicle but there is no way I'm going to tamper with it. There is about a 90% chance that anything recorded is going to be in my favor because I don't do stupid stuff behind the wheel, so why would I want to throw that out and instead make myself look guilty by having an intentionally disabled EDR there for the investigator to find?

Nicely put, JD!!!!
06-15-2012 12:27 PM
Jakesdad I'm not crazy about having an EDR in my vehicle but there is no way I'm going to tamper with it. There is about a 90% chance that anything recorded is going to be in my favor because I don't do stupid stuff behind the wheel, so why would I want to throw that out and instead make myself look guilty by having an intentionally disabled EDR there for the investigator to find?
06-15-2012 01:13 AM
BlackOpsJeep I am computer geeky guy. I think I will look into this very closely. I'm betting though it will be in a housing that is tamperproof. However, there would be wires routing from it to somewhere that service technicians would be able to patch into. That, my friends is the trail I will be looking for. Stay tuned....

cool site here: http://media.mgnetwork.com/blackbox/

and the NHTSA info: www.nhtsa.gov/DOT/NHTSA/.../Rules/.../EDR_QAs_11Aug2006.pdf

And the long list of vehicles who have them: http://www.bloombergconsulting.com/p..._Box_Guide.pdf
06-15-2012 01:03 AM
dimasin WHere is EDR located? Does anyone know what connector is used to read it?
04-20-2012 07:14 AM
Cosmic Charlie
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Originally Posted by Jurhip View Post
Not to be an ass, but all data is stored as "0's" and "1's" including video. Computers are binary regardless of what they are storing.
I don't think she said otherwise.
04-20-2012 06:34 AM
Ballandchain
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Originally Posted by NYC
I would think the "Progressive Snapshot" device is a recorder also that u send in to the insurance co. so they can track your driving habits.
That's a bit extreme in my book.
They offered me that and I laughed at them.
04-20-2012 06:24 AM
JEEPDON OBD II has had a lot of that capability since OBD II came out. Here in ND,
LEO's can only use it for investigative purposes only. They can NOT bring charges against the driver with info found there.
04-20-2012 05:13 AM
strider_mt2k It only bothers me a little, but let me know how to disable it and I'm all over that crap.
04-20-2012 05:09 AM
NYC I would think the "Progressive Snapshot" device is a recorder also that u send in to the insurance co. so they can track your driving habits.
That's a bit extreme in my book.
04-19-2012 10:52 PM
Beastmaster
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Originally Posted by Ballandchain View Post
I had this little punk kid rear end me in my 4runner a few years back and tried taking off in the stolen Cadillac he was driving. As We were chasing him through the city my friend was on the phone with police while an officer was being dispatched to find him. I took a curve really fast and my friend (who was still on the line with 9-11) told me to watch it around the curves cause he was spilling his beer. We finally got the little punk and nothing was said about the beer......

Now that's just funny right there!
04-19-2012 08:42 PM
Jurhip
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Originally Posted by TJJeeperGirl View Post
Dont be so sure about that, do you know how small and cheap memory is now! Just look at the card you slide into your cell phone. Not to mention it is not storing video, it is only storing text. Do you realize how much text (0and1s) make up 4 gigs of data?

This is just yet another backdoor way to infringe on our rights. Would you believe 20 years ago that government would have the right to frisk anyone to the point that would qualify as sexual assault just to fly in a plane and yet we all sit back and accept it or justify it like Grog did with his Hummer friend?

When the data starts being used against people, or warranties voided due to them, or insurance companies raising your rates, maybe people will wise up. In the meantime, I will not buy a new Jeep. My next will be an old CJ with a carburetor and NO computer.
Not to be an ass, but all data is stored as "0's" and "1's" including video. Computers are binary regardless of what they are storing.

The EDR's are on a ringbuffer (i.e. loop storage device). They may store a "lifetime" of certain static data but it is highly likely this is only engine status codes and thing like over-rev counts. Even then, the lifetime is not determined, so that will be on a overwrite loop.

Long story short, pre-crash event data will be on a ringbuffer.
04-19-2012 08:32 PM
Ballandchain
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Originally Posted by Beastmaster View Post
Ya, it has a voice recorder too.




Most of the Jeep accidents end with:


"Here, hold my beer, check this $hit out!"






I had this little punk kid rear end me in my 4runner a few years back and tried taking off in the stolen Cadillac he was driving. As We were chasing him through the city my friend was on the phone with police while an officer was being dispatched to find him. I took a curve really fast and my friend (who was still on the line with 9-11) told me to watch it around the curves cause he was spilling his beer. We finally got the little punk and nothing was said about the beer......
04-19-2012 08:19 PM
fireron "Here, hold my beer, check this $hit out!"

Now, that is funny, sad AND true all at the same time!
04-19-2012 07:44 PM
Beastmaster Ya, it has a voice recorder too.




Most of the Jeep accidents end with:


"Here, hold my beer, check this $hit out!"






04-19-2012 07:40 PM
Posts On Percocet
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Originally Posted by TJJeeperGirl View Post
Dont be so sure about that, do you know how small and cheap memory is now! Just look at the card you slide into your cell phone. Not to mention it is not storing video, it is only storing text. Do you realize how much text (0and1s) make up 4 gigs of data?

This is just yet another backdoor way to infringe on our rights. Would you believe 20 years ago that government would have the right to frisk anyone to the point that would qualify as sexual assault just to fly in a plane and yet we all sit back and accept it or justify it like Grog did with his Hummer friend?

When the data starts being used against people, or warranties voided due to them, or insurance companies raising your rates, maybe people will wise up. In the meantime, I will not buy a new Jeep. My next will be an old CJ with a carburetor and NO computer.

Exactly. I will be looking into how to turn mine off. Fucking criminals in our gov
04-19-2012 07:40 PM
Posts On Percocet
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Originally Posted by Supercop260 View Post
These devices are only a bad thing in the event that you get into some kind of collision and police and/or your insurance company uses the data to show your fault i.e. you weren't wearing a seatbelt or you lied about your speed, etc.

On the other side of the story, I once had an accident investigation where a police officer totaled a patrol car, said he was going the speed limit and that the brakes had failed. I knew he was lying but I couldn't prove it. Once I was able to download the data, not only did I prove the officer was going 50mph OVER the speed limit, but also proved his brakes were working just before the crash...he was just a bad driver doing something stupid and for that he had to pay for a patrol car.

It all depends on how you look at it.
That's the thing...the car has no business recording what I do. Just another example of an out of control government....


/waits for the apologists....
04-19-2012 07:34 PM
firehawk
option to off/on

,hi, we as owners should be able to turn off, EDC.
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