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07-03-2012 04:13 PM
97flexy Don't know if it works with the JK models but if you have a pair of Harley motorcycle mirrors, you can slide them thru your door hinges and bolt them on that way... they are really cheap too.
07-01-2012 12:09 PM
Pynenut Only Windshield mirror required in Nevada! woohoo! Doorless!
07-01-2012 10:52 AM
jtraider in oklahoma you must have the drivers side and one other.
07-01-2012 10:51 AM
jtraider paragraph 10 says you have to have left side mirror in ny.
06-25-2012 10:56 AM
thejeepdangler Ya I have an '02 so fuse 4 gotcha thanks mate.
06-25-2012 10:22 AM
twxsby
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To add to your post, states have ZERO say in regards to OEM vehicles. If the vehicle can be sold in the US, it is automatically legal in every state.
Emissions can make you car "not legal". If you buy a new vehicle in Texas, it will not "work" out of the box in Cali, without significant $ thrown at it "for" the environment.
California is special, the stickers on the window out there will say something to the effect, California emissions ready.
06-24-2012 12:32 PM
computeruser
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Originally Posted by g3cko View Post
Go to the harley dealer and get a set of long stem mirrors.
+1. There's the answer to your question. If they've been pimping out bikes lately, they'll probably be able to hook you up with a new or used take-off from the back for $10 or something like that. Swing by the hardware to get a couple different washers to use as spacers, if you find them necessary, and call it good!
06-24-2012 12:30 PM
50 Something
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Originally Posted by gonzo1308 View Post
Yeah pretty sure I am forever listed on stuff to. Guess I should probably put some stuff back on my sporty evo chop to get back in their good graces........ yeah right. DEATH MACHINES FOR LIFE.....

I'm on the "Good" list, because I chose to be on it to get my CHL. Now I want to go for my "Class III, but then I have to deal with the ATF and they are a bit more difficult than the FBI regarding rules and such.

50 Something
06-24-2012 08:55 AM
jkaufman_95
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Originally Posted by KittyPrawn

For when it is ungodly hot and you want to blast the AC too!
Which I do at just about every red light when I start to cook
06-24-2012 08:48 AM
Scarlet Begonia
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Originally Posted by KittyPrawn View Post
For when it is ungodly hot and you want to blast the AC too!
Gotcha! pretty obvious, but I didn't think of that.
06-24-2012 08:24 AM
KittyPrawn
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Begonia

If your doors are off, why do you need your vents?
For when it is ungodly hot and you want to blast the AC too!
06-24-2012 07:51 AM
Scarlet Begonia
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Originally Posted by SJS
LMAO @ dsergisn... I just don't want to look to get pulled over. I like SunnyKK's solution but I still need my vents
If your doors are off, why do you need your vents?
06-24-2012 07:31 AM
gonzo1308
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Originally Posted by 50 Something View Post
Careful now, I'm registered with the FBI, but not with ATF, which are more astute to Laws and such...

50 Something

Yeah pretty sure I am forever listed on stuff to. Guess I should probably put some stuff back on my sporty evo chop to get back in their good graces........ yeah right. DEATH MACHINES FOR LIFE.....
06-24-2012 04:45 AM
50 Something
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Originally Posted by gonzo1308 View Post
Breakin the law breakin the law!!!! Breakin the law breakin law!!!!
Careful now, I'm registered with the FBI, but not with ATF, which are more astute to Laws and such...

50 Something
06-24-2012 04:29 AM
gonzo1308
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Originally Posted by 50 Something View Post
If you really want to live on the edge and be a Real "Out Law" such as myself try this:

Cut the ugly 3rd brake light off and see what happens?

Attachment 134812

With that said, look at the clean look on this shot:

Attachment 134813

Could I get a ticket? Of course, but not likely.

50 Something

Breakin the law breakin the law!!!! Breakin the law breakin law!!!!
06-24-2012 01:34 AM
50 Something
Doors, Mirrors & 3rd Brake Light

If you really want to live on the edge and be a Real "Out Law" such as myself try this:

Cut the ugly 3rd brake light off and see what happens?

Attachment 134812

With that said, look at the clean look on this shot:

Attachment 134813

Could I get a ticket? Of course, but not likely.

50 Something
06-24-2012 01:23 AM
50 Something Ok, here is the deal. Most states require 2 mirrors. However most city officers will not pull you unless they are having a bad day. Although most DPS officers will know the law and will pull you and ticket you for anything they can find. Trust me, when I took my inspection test many years ago I had to deal with these guys and they do not play.

Therefore when I took mine off, I bought the mirrors that matched the Body Armor tube doors. I could Kick myself in the butt regarding that, because now I have 2 sets of mirrors and could have done this mod in the 1st place.

Just an after thought, but this is the way I would have went:

American Outlaw Part 00207 - Side Mirrors

Live and Learn:

Attachment 134810

50 Something
06-24-2012 12:43 AM
gnjlee IMO a ticket written for a compliance issue against an out of state vehicle says more about the enforcer than a rediculous law.
06-24-2012 12:22 AM
NFRs2000NYC Technically it is on course. The OP was worried about tickets so we needed to clarify some things. Off course is a bit strong, I'd say more of a tangent
06-23-2012 11:50 PM
MTH
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Originally Posted by Vin
Wow, this thread went way off course.
Yeah, but OP's question was answered, so I don't feel too bad.
06-23-2012 11:11 PM
Vin Wow, this thread went way off course.
06-23-2012 10:02 PM
NFRs2000NYC I'll post up a pic of a NY ticket I have at home which has a compliance section. Do you guys have any idea how many people in NY have FL plates for tints or PA plates for no front plate
06-23-2012 10:00 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by MTH

The point is though that there ARE Federal constitutional concerns when states regulate in such a way as to restrict travel among the states or to penalize folks for being from another state.

It would for example very likely be unconstitutional for Georgia to declare that no vehicle on its roadways can have window tint, or require everyone to carry four spare tires, or to have 30 rearview mirrors, or have mud flaps that are within 1" of the ground, or have LED taillights, or be blue, etc. These are fundamentally different from radar detectors and helmets--they go to the construction of the vehicle.

Any other rule would allow states to fundraise off of unsuspecting travelers from other states and to penalize out of staters, which violates the constitution's requirement of free travel amongst the several states.

Now, this discussion does make me wonder if the analysis would change with aftermarket modifications rather than vehicles direct from the manufacturer that already satisfy all federal regs. Certainly possible. I haven't looked into this stuff since ConLaw back in 2004 though, so the details are pretty hazy.
Truth. To add to your post, states have ZERO say in regards to OEM vehicles. If the vehicle can be sold in the US, it is automatically legal in every state.
06-23-2012 09:59 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by jkaufman_95
Same as dot or FAA rules

It's pretty simple you must compliy with all applicable laws whichever is the most restricting
Nope. Read above.
06-23-2012 09:55 PM
jkaufman_95 Same as dot or FAA rules

It's pretty simple you must compliy with all applicable laws whichever is the most restricting
06-23-2012 09:53 PM
MTH
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Originally Posted by BlackOpsJeep

That gun ordinance or law as it were, is called reciprocity. This is where states recognize other states gun carrying owners permits for concealed or whatever. Now, as far as Federal statutes go, the Federal governments don't have a say in the laws the states create as long as it is in line with the Constitution and its amendments. Tinting, radars, and other laws cannot be enforced, created, or stricken by any Federal court but can on the state level. States are sovereign and have control over what laws are created. The laws are on the books, absurd as they are, because people did not have the interest in challenging them, much less vote. They elected these assclowns who made them so at the end of the day, laws are the result of action or inaction by the people, of the people, and for the people.
The point is though that there ARE Federal constitutional concerns when states regulate in such a way as to restrict travel among the states or to penalize folks for being from another state.

It would for example very likely be unconstitutional for Georgia to declare that no vehicle on its roadways can have window tint, or require everyone to carry four spare tires, or to have 30 rearview mirrors, or have mud flaps that are within 1" of the ground, or have LED taillights, or be blue, etc. These are fundamentally different from radar detectors and helmets--they go to the construction of the vehicle.

Any other rule would allow states to fundraise off of unsuspecting travelers from other states and to penalize out of staters, which violates the constitution's requirement of free travel amongst the several states.

Now, this discussion does make me wonder if the analysis would change with aftermarket modifications rather than vehicles direct from the manufacturer that already satisfy all federal regs. Certainly possible. I haven't looked into this stuff since ConLaw back in 2004 though, so the details are pretty hazy.
06-23-2012 09:28 PM
BlackOpsJeep
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
This post is not entirely correct, but has merit. The law I am talking about is NOT the reciprocity law. The reciprocity law is NOT. A federal law. It is an agreement between states. My law IS. A federal law.

18 USC § 926A - Interstate transportation of firearms | LII / Legal Information Institute

This law superceedes NY law of "no guns."

Now, much like the voter ID laws being federally challenged, states can indeed make their OWN laws, provided they do not conflict with ANY federal laws, in this case, the freedom of movement act. The Georgia law completely conflicts with this law and thus, would be tossed out of court if the defendant knew this information.

BTW, thanks to your post, I forwarded this info to an acquaintance of mine that has a practice doing nothing but going after states for these types of laws. Maybe he can get it squashed who knows. If you EVER get a compliance ticket from an out of state cop, the freedom of movement act protects you.
Nice. I always hated the fact that we military people are moved around alot and have to abide by laws such as those. Rediculous.
06-23-2012 09:22 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by BlackOpsJeep

That gun ordinance or law as it were, is called reciprocity. This is where states recognize other states gun carrying owners permits for concealed or whatever. Now, as far as Federal statutes go, the Federal governments don't have a say in the laws the states create as long as it is in line with the Constitution and its amendments. Tinting, radars, and other laws cannot be enforced, created, or stricken by any Federal court but can on the state level. States are sovereign and have control over what laws are created. The laws are on the books, absurd as they are, because people did not have the interest in challenging them, much less vote. They elected these assclowns who made them so at the end of the day, laws are the result of action or inaction by the people, of the people, and for the people.
This post is not entirely correct, but has merit. The law I am talking about is NOT the reciprocity law. The reciprocity law is NOT. A federal law. It is an agreement between states. My law IS. A federal law.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/926A

This law superceedes NY law of "no guns."

Now, much like the voter ID laws being federally challenged, states can indeed make their OWN laws, provided they do not conflict with ANY federal laws, in this case, the freedom of movement act. The Georgia law completely conflicts with this law and thus, would be tossed out of court if the defendant knew this information.

BTW, thanks to your post, I forwarded this info to an acquaintance of mine that has a practice doing nothing but going after states for these types of laws. Maybe he can get it squashed who knows. If you EVER get a compliance ticket from an out of state cop, the freedom of movement act protects you.
06-23-2012 08:44 PM
BlackOpsJeep
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
Fair enough. Thank you for posting the law. However, like many laws, this law violates federal law, and if a cop gave me that ticket I'd laugh in his face. The only reason this law is still around is because no one challenged it. These tickets would NEVER stick. This law essentially violates the freedom of movement act witch superceeds state law. If you or your friends get this ticket, fight it. Having this law is against the law. This law basically bans a Florida vehicle from driving through Georgia. NY tried the same crap with people who DROVE through NY state with legal guns and lost in court. You can now drive through NY state with a legal gun is the gun is legal at your origin and destination.
That gun ordinance or law as it were, is called reciprocity. This is where states recognize other states gun carrying owners permits for concealed or whatever. Now, as far as Federal statutes go, the Federal governments don't have a say in the laws the states create as long as it is in line with the Constitution and its amendments. Tinting, radars, and other laws cannot be enforced, created, or stricken by any Federal court but can on the state level. States are sovereign and have control over what laws are created. The laws are on the books, absurd as they are, because people did not have the interest in challenging them, much less vote. They elected these assclowns who made them so at the end of the day, laws are the result of action or inaction by the people, of the people, and for the people.
06-23-2012 08:17 PM
MTH
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC

Fair enough. Thank you for posting the law. However, like many laws, this law violates federal law, and if a cop gave me that ticket I'd laugh in his face. The only reason this law is still around is because no one challenged it. These tickets would NEVER stick. This law essentially violates the freedom of movement act witch superceeds state law. If you or your friends get this ticket, fight it. Having this law is against the law. NY tried the same crap with people who DROVE through NY state with legal guns and lost in court. You can now drive through NY state with a legal gun is the gun is legal at your origin and destination.
There also may be something in the federal regs that pushes window tinting to the states. But yes, usually the type of laws that would require you to mod your vehicle can't be imposed on vehicles from another state.
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