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06-26-2012 12:09 PM
BakedInMN I fall into the habitually honest category, and would contact the dealer and return the top, if it was not purchased. That expense that the dealer will "eat" goes onto the next vehicle they sell, raising the price for everyone else. The dealer will not lose, it's customers who will lose in the long run.

I find it hard to believe that the people here, who I assume are decent, hard working, honest, law abiding citizens would think it is alright to keep or profit from something that they are not entitled to. If you know it was a mistake and you really shouldn't have it but you keep/sell it, that is tantamount to stealing.

Excuses of the dealer ripping people off, making unreasonable profit, they're to big to notice, etc., are lame attempts at justifying stealing. If I found $5 on the street and no-one was around, I'd keep it. If I saw someone drop it, I'd pick it up and return it. This case with the top is the latter, you "Know who dropped it", now do the right thing and return it.

Your first step should be to contact the dealer and see if you were charged for it or not. If so, you can discuss the options with them to have your purchase price revisited and they can have the top back, or you could keep it. If the top was not paid for, and was not supposed to be delivered, then you should make them aware of their mistake, and return it.

Just my unpopular .02
06-26-2012 12:58 AM
mcdull
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Originally Posted by flyhigh View Post
I agree. I mean, where would we be if dealers weren't always honest with you about the best possible price they could give to you?
I always agreed with what I was told long time ago "the dealers are doing business and they're not charity in giving cars away".
They have no obligation to give you the best price, in contrast, they have obligation to make more money for their own sake, expand or pay better to employee and etc.
Even though I hate dishonest dealers, I think car dealers are being treated the most unfairly.

Have you ever complaint that Apple is making too much money in selling iPhone (or whatever phone you're using) when the cost was only $200 (at least the original iPhone)? Tried to negotaite it down to invoice or at cost?
06-25-2012 07:39 PM
spankinkopita
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Originally Posted by snochick
If it was me, I'd have to talk to the dealer and find out exactly what the mistake was. Be it charged me when they shouldn't have or forgot to remove it.

I'm an honest person though. Something obviously rare these days. Don't care how crooked others are, it's my conscience I'm concerned about staying clean.

Regardless I wouldn't get rid of it if it was mine to keep. But then I despise hard tops and have sold all 3 I've had come with my jeeps over the years and replaced em with soft tops. Sold the one off the rubi for enough to buy her a set of 35" Mickey t's and new rims. All I had to do was buy the lift and I was golden.
We aren't all being dishonest, just assuming the worst of others. If I wasn't charged for it I would be bringing it back AFTER I was assured I wasn't charged for it in my legally binding contract THEN verifying with my dealer that it wasn't included in my price.
Try to be decent, but don't be so naivee as to feel that another will not take advantage of your good heartedness
06-25-2012 05:59 PM
KittyPrawn
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Originally Posted by Posts On Percocet View Post
NO NO NO NO NO! You people need to stop saying this. It's completely untrue. I've already pointed out why. Look no further than our traitor representatives and CEO's.

There is NO SUCH THING as karma, period. You can claim there is all you want, but I have all the proof. And spare me some anecdotal story about how you returned a wallet you found and got a free ice cream or something, doesn't count.
Does it make you feel better to beat down another person's beliefs because you don't believe in them? Is it harming you in any way for someone to believe in karma?

I agree with the honesty part, whether it is religious or non-religious moral justification. You either paid for the top and received it, or you didn't pay for it and received it. I would still be calling the dealership to discuss the situation.
06-25-2012 05:53 PM
GonzoBobH
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Originally Posted by Posts On Percocet View Post
As far as karma? BS Total BS. As much as I wish it weren't true, there is NO SUCH THING.
Totally agreed -- but you return it for your own feeling of having done the right thing, not because you think something supernatural is going to jinx you.

Ever leave the grocery store with something in the bottom of the cart which they forgot to charge you for. I did. And I was with my daughter when she was about 10. We finished loading up the car, but went back inside to pay for the missed items. I wanted my daughter not to just know right from wrong -- but to see honesty in action.

Us non-religious types... gotta represent, haha
06-25-2012 05:14 PM
snochick If it was me, I'd have to talk to the dealer and find out exactly what the mistake was. Be it charged me when they shouldn't have or forgot to remove it.

I'm an honest person though. Something obviously rare these days. Don't care how crooked others are, it's my conscience I'm concerned about staying clean.

Regardless I wouldn't get rid of it if it was mine to keep. But then I despise hard tops and have sold all 3 I've had come with my jeeps over the years and replaced em with soft tops. Sold the one off the rubi for enough to buy her a set of 35" Mickey t's and new rims. All I had to do was buy the lift and I was golden.
06-25-2012 01:33 PM
Up Hill Bill
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Originally Posted by Posts On Percocet View Post
NO NO NO NO NO! You people need to stop saying this. It's completely untrue. I've already pointed out why. Look no further than our traitor representatives and CEO's.

There is NO SUCH THING as karma, period. You can claim there is all you want, but I have all the proof. And spare me some anecdotal story about how you returned a wallet you found and got a free ice cream or something, doesn't count.
So, basically, your saying two wrongs make a right?

We get hysterical if we think the dealer cheated us, but, cheating the dealer is just deserved payback because most politicians are crooks?

I'm not following your "reasoning"





Yeah, I know. Three lefts make a right....
06-25-2012 01:09 PM
Posts On Percocet
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Originally Posted by Davidsjeep View Post
If you agreed to a certain price without the soft top and you got the reduced price and the soft top then the soft top is theirs, not yours.

If the price you agreed to is different then what you actually paid, than #1 you should've caught that when you were doing paper work at the dealer days before you got delivery. #2 You should go talk to them about it, and either get the discount and give up the soft top, or tell them you're keeping the soft top because they didn't hold up their end of the deal.

Another thing, you said that they would knock off $1700, and you only see $300 knocked off. Keep in mind that they don't always document exactly what they discount and how they discount it. The BIG question is, did they give you the price that they said they would, not: I only saw a $300 discount on the paper.

Ok, so "Karma" might not exactly be true, but Honesty is important. The principle of karma is true because what you plant you will also reap. Don't think that you can plant dishonesty and reap good things... Anytime someone chooses to go against good character they are taking one step further from the good, and the crop that you plant, you will also harvest in your life ahead. You value honesty when you deal with people, others want the same in you.

Not saying that you are dishonest and I understand not wanting to give it up... but.

Keep in mind that I'm not saying to give up the soft top, just saying check with the salesman and find out if you really got the discount agreed upon by YOU.

You gotta love all the good people on WF

You asked, you got answers --WF is so go at that

Have fun with your Wrangler, I've got a 12' unlimited, six speed and I love it!!

Oh, you said something about getting $4k off asking price, sounds pretty good.

NO NO NO NO NO! You people need to stop saying this. It's completely untrue. I've already pointed out why. Look no further than our traitor representatives and CEO's.

There is NO SUCH THING as karma, period. You can claim there is all you want, but I have all the proof. And spare me some anecdotal story about how you returned a wallet you found and got a free ice cream or something, doesn't count.
06-25-2012 09:29 AM
Davidsjeep Just one more thing, Everyone is talking about the fact that you only got a $300 discount on paper.

I've bought 2 new Wranglers in as many years. Got a 10' Rubicon in Oct 2010. I got about $5000 off sticker price, but it wasn't on the paper work... huh? All I had on the paperwork was the agreed $28k something, it said nothing about the huge discount.. Same with my 12' unlimited when I traded in my Rubi. I got the Tread Lightly discount, but the discount didn't show up on the actual price sheet, only the agreed sale price, with the trade in etc...

Just saying. Everyone's saying that the dealer flamed you even though they really have no idea. Really if you did get "ripped" then it might not be their "fault" since you are the one that signed the papers, which included the amount you agreed to pay(by signing)... right?

Anyway, all that said. If you keep the soft top than you'll probably like to have it at some time in the future... ok, maybe not. I didn't get the soft top. I did just order a Mesh top, and will probably get a bimini top to keep in the back in case it starts raining when I'm out without the hard top. Just a thought...

I had a soft top on my 2dr 10', and I decided not to get a soft top with my 12' Unlimited because it's not all that easy to just put up and down. It's hot in the summer. You can't keep valuables inside with only the soft top. and it's loud. The back plastic windows get scratched, and you've gotta store them when the tops down... I'm gonna love the mesh and bimini/bikini top.
06-25-2012 09:02 AM
Davidsjeep
Character

If you agreed to a certain price without the soft top and you got the reduced price and the soft top then the soft top is theirs, not yours.

If the price you agreed to is different then what you actually paid, than #1 you should've caught that when you were doing paper work at the dealer days before you got delivery. #2 You should go talk to them about it, and either get the discount and give up the soft top, or tell them you're keeping the soft top because they didn't hold up their end of the deal.

Another thing, you said that they would knock off $1700, and you only see $300 knocked off. Keep in mind that they don't always document exactly what they discount and how they discount it. The BIG question is, did they give you the price that they said they would, not: I only saw a $300 discount on the paper.

Ok, so "Karma" might not exactly be true, but Honesty is important. The principle of karma is true because what you plant you will also reap. Don't think that you can plant dishonesty and reap good things... Anytime someone chooses to go against good character they are taking one step further from the good, and the crop that you plant, you will also harvest in your life ahead. You value honesty when you deal with people, others want the same in you.

Not saying that you are dishonest and I understand not wanting to give it up... but.

Keep in mind that I'm not saying to give up the soft top, just saying check with the salesman and find out if you really got the discount agreed upon by YOU.

You gotta love all the good people on WF

You asked, you got answers --WF is so go at that

Have fun with your Wrangler, I've got a 12' unlimited, six speed and I love it!!

Oh, you said something about getting $4k off asking price, sounds pretty good.
06-25-2012 08:50 AM
spankinkopita Did they charge you for the hard top? If they deduct soft and add hard, 1450 sounds right
06-25-2012 07:34 AM
Park_Wrangler So let me get this straight, you negotiated a deal, they failed to write these terms of the deal into the contract, now you have a soft top (that you didn't want) paid 1,450$ for it and it only has a street value of 750$. Do you HONESTLY think this was a mistake or do you think they unloaded it simply because they did not know what else to do with it?
06-24-2012 10:00 PM
Up Hill Bill
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Originally Posted by Prestonlesley View Post
they were supposed to take off 1750 found the bill and they only took off 300...
Then, it sounds like you own the soft top fair and square, if you want it. But I doubt you can sell it for the $1450 the dealer beat you out of.

If you have something in writing, I'd hold the dealer to it and demand an additional $1450 refund for the top. If the deal was just oral, the dealer will probably act like he never heard of it. lesson learned....
06-24-2012 09:44 PM
Prestonlesley
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Originally Posted by JPzilla View Post
First make sure you weren't charged for it. If you weren't charged then do the right thing. Just my 2 cents.

they were supposed to take off 1750 found the bill and they only took off 300...
06-24-2012 09:05 PM
JPzilla First make sure you weren't charged for it. If you weren't charged then do the right thing. Just my 2 cents.
06-24-2012 04:55 PM
carguyco Think about the guy who made the mistake and left it in there?
What if you made a mistake at your job resulting in a loss for your company?

say what you will about dealerships...guess what..all of us working at them are still human beings, capable of making mistakes, capable of crying and laughing and loving and hating....and yes..some of them are capable of taking a bunch of your money...but human none the less.
06-24-2012 11:14 AM
Posts On Percocet
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Originally Posted by spankinkopita View Post
Be aware oem price is almost $1700, dont get hit in the back end by the dealership

In the end it's going to be he said, she said. They'll say "where is it?", and he'll say, "where is what?"

They'll never be able to prove it and that'll probably be it. Maybe a letter or two from their lawyers but I doubt $1700 is worth it for them to go to court. Besides, again, how can they prove it?

As far as karma? BS Total BS. As much as I wish it weren't true, there is NO SUCH THING. Otherwise most of our politicians and wall street types would die horrible, slow, deaths. Instead they are rich and in power.

Karma = no such thing.
06-24-2012 11:13 AM
kabory You can pretty much sell it fast all day long for $750.00, Thats what I just sold mine for after starting at $1000.00. Have seen alot of them lately selling for $750.00. If you do get a buyer, ck to see if they already have the roll bar mounts. I removed mine and let them go with the sale. They are attached to roll bar from factory.
06-24-2012 11:03 AM
Wrong Way Hal
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Originally Posted by Up Hill Bill View Post
Sorry guys. I'm kinda old fashioned. I'd let the dealer know of their mistake and tell them they can come get it they need it back.

Honesty is always the best policy, IMO.
Absolutely !!!! Let the dealership know.

Look at it this way, if you ordered some option on the JK and it wasn't provided by the dealer, wouldn't you/most of us be screaming about the situation?

And another posting talked about Karma. The world is bad enough as it is, you do NOT want any bad karma following you around.

Regards.
06-24-2012 01:34 AM
daggo66 In any event the soft top must be removed. It is only on there for transportation purposes. In order to due so, you must remove the hard top. You also should have received two boxes which contain the windows and door surrounds.
06-24-2012 01:04 AM
50 Something
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Originally Posted by Up Hill Bill View Post
Sorry guys. I'm kinda old fashioned. I'd let the dealer know of their mistake and tell them they can come get it they need it back.

Honesty is always the best policy, IMO.
X2 Bill.

I ordered after must confusion a storage unit for the Hard Top, Freedom Tops and Doors and they didn't even ask if I paid when I picked it up. I was like DAH! Hey guys are you giving me this or should I pay?

The assistant Parts manager said I thought you allready paid, because my Boss never special orders anything without payment. I told him I was a unique case after all the crap I went through, since they didn't even know they could get the dag gum thing.

It gets better. I bought a Jeep hat and told the cashier I had to pay for the storage unit, and if she would please put the hat along with that transaction at the same time. Guess what? I was in a hurry and could not get out of there fast enough after all of the confusion, here they come chasing me down, and I'm Like WTF is going on now. The young man said I needed to see the lady.

Come to find out they still didn't bill me for the storage unit. True story, and I've told it to a couple of people, which said you should have kept your mouth shut in the 1st place and my reply was what you said. Thank God for honest folks in this crazy world.

Link to the Unit they wanted to give me free: LOL


Storage System for Hard Top and Doors - 82210645 | Mopar

50 Something
06-23-2012 11:20 PM
Tumbleweed Let the dealer know. If you DID actually pay for it, then you can keep it wit a clear conscience.
06-23-2012 11:14 PM
Up Hill Bill
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Originally Posted by spankinkopita View Post
Please don't think I would recommend keeping something unpaid for, just be sure it want paid for before giving it up. No, promise the charge isn't there already and the dealer may just take it back without compensation. The relationship you have with your dealer should guide your actions. I am a softy, I even give back the tools they leave under my hood after a service

I didn't get that from your posts. And, I agree the OP better make sure the dealer didn't charge him for it! If there isn't a written notation on the sales agreement subtracting $XXX from the price as a credit against the dealer keeping the top, the OP paid for it!
06-23-2012 11:06 PM
spankinkopita
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Originally Posted by Up Hill Bill

I'm afraid we're few and far between, my friend....
Please don't think I would recommend keeping something unpaid for, just be sure it want paid for before giving it up. No, promise the charge isn't there already and the dealer may just take it back without compensation. The relationship you have with your dealer should guide your actions. I am a softy, I even give back the tools they leave under my hood after a service
06-23-2012 10:42 PM
Up Hill Bill
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Originally Posted by wassup8687 View Post
I agree.
I'm afraid we're few and far between, my friend....
06-23-2012 10:32 PM
wassup8687
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Originally Posted by Up Hill Bill View Post
Sorry guys. I'm kinda old fashioned. I'd let the dealer know of their mistake and tell them they can come get it they need it back.

Honesty is always the best policy, IMO.
I agree.
06-23-2012 09:51 PM
AMangum
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Originally Posted by flyhigh

I agree. I mean, where would we be if dealers weren't always honest with you about the best possible price they could give to you?
I agree with Bill. Not because I care about the dealer per say, but Karma is a cruel wench and always comes calling when you are least prepared.
06-23-2012 09:45 PM
Prestonlesley
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Originally Posted by spankinkopita View Post
Be aware oem price is almost $1700, dont get hit in the back end by the dealership
true again... im going to keep it awhile
06-23-2012 09:38 PM
spankinkopita
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Originally Posted by Prestonlesley

paid cash... and only got 4k off asking price very crappy deal imho... im going to sell it
Be aware oem price is almost $1700, dont get hit in the back end by the dealership
06-23-2012 09:35 PM
Prestonlesley
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Originally Posted by spankinkopita View Post
Ow
I would check the build sheet, if its on there they most likely charged you, and if you are financing, what is the extra seven bucks a payment
paid cash... and only got 4k off asking price very crappy deal imho... im going to sell it
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