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07-20-2012 10:36 AM
wat3rdog I was in a place where I love to go explore a new dirt road but I wanted a motorcycle for the freedom and community. Right now I have the kids with me all the time so we can get my wife through her phd. The bike will wait and I've always wanted a jeep. The only prob was the jeep was too small for my needs and too under powered for a 4 dr. The 2012 means I can pull a trailer big enough to ditch the truck bed and take the kids with more room the my current pickup. We are going to order my jkur in about 2 weeks and I'm waving to everyone! Already used to waving to other 4x4s on the trails.
07-19-2012 05:52 PM
crossbonesdennis Sales may be up on new Wranglers but there must not be many people trading in jku's. I've been watching for one and Autotrader ususally only has about 45 within 300 miiles that come close to what I'm looking for. You guys with 08 and newer, less than 60,000 mile, power windows and locks need to upgrade so I can find a nice used one.
07-18-2012 11:17 PM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by rics1997 View Post
It does amaze me how egos go sometimes. If not from TJ to JK owners, 4dr to 2dr, or Rubicon, to sport to Sahara owners, it really amazes me sometimes. Seems we lost our path from the true Jeep Community. I remember at the Bantum Jeep Festival last year that every Willy and early CJ owners were the first to wave at every Jeep they past. It didn't matter what you drove. They loved their Jeep and appreciated everyone else that drove one.

Not to start a wave post but one of the saddest post I have read was in the general forum the other day where a TJ owner said he refused to recognize a JK as a Jeep and would never wave at them. That's not the Jeep Community I knew about. But on the other side, a owner of a TJ Rubicon followed me into the grocery store parking lot the other day to ask me about my Jeep. Not once did he brag about owning a TJ or Rubicon. We talked about our rigs and our mods. Now that's the true Jeep community.

I think it is great that Chrysler has diversified Jeep so much. I hate it when someone pounds their chest that a 4dr is a minvan/soccer mom Jeep but on the other hand you have those that claim the 4dr is so much better then the 2dr when in fact they both have their pros and cons. Whether it is, which will do better in tight trails with sharp turn, vertical climbs or break overs or whether a Rubicon is superior to a Sport or a Sahara, it really comes down to need and what your using it for. A limited slip may be the better need to lockers or if your upgrading to even better equipment then why buy something that you plan to replace anyways. Or do you want the comforts of a Sahara that the others don't offer.

But the fact that we have a choice of 2dr or 4dr with three packages to fit every need has made it to where the Wrangler is becoming one of the best selling 4wd's on the market. Not to mention it helps keep it reputation and resale value as the top of it's class. That keeps the Jeep going for future generations and not dying out like so many other vehicles that have come and gone.
I don't do as much as even raise a finger to TJ owners. I don't have time for their elitist attitudes. They can wave to me first.

Actually, I don't even think it's an "elitist" attitude, I just think it's a denial that the JK does everything their "hand-built by god" TJ does...

One learns a lot within two months of owning a Jeep, like who to wave to and who not to. It sucks but that's the way the Jeep community seems to be these days.
07-18-2012 09:49 PM
rics1997 It does amaze me how egos go sometimes. If not from TJ to JK owners, 4dr to 2dr, or Rubicon, to sport to Sahara owners, it really amazes me sometimes. Seems we lost our path from the true Jeep Community. I remember at the Bantum Jeep Festival last year that every Willy and early CJ owners were the first to wave at every Jeep they past. It didn't matter what you drove. They loved their Jeep and appreciated everyone else that drove one.

Not to start a wave post but one of the saddest post I have read was in the general forum the other day where a TJ owner said he refused to recognize a JK as a Jeep and would never wave at them. That's not the Jeep Community I knew about. But on the other side, a owner of a TJ Rubicon followed me into the grocery store parking lot the other day to ask me about my Jeep. Not once did he brag about owning a TJ or Rubicon. We talked about our rigs and our mods. Now that's the true Jeep community.

I think it is great that Chrysler has diversified Jeep so much. I hate it when someone pounds their chest that a 4dr is a minvan/soccer mom Jeep but on the other hand you have those that claim the 4dr is so much better then the 2dr when in fact they both have their pros and cons. Whether it is, which will do better in tight trails with sharp turn, vertical climbs or break overs or whether a Rubicon is superior to a Sport or a Sahara, it really comes down to need and what your using it for. A limited slip may be the better need to lockers or if your upgrading to even better equipment then why buy something that you plan to replace anyways. Or do you want the comforts of a Sahara that the others don't offer.

But the fact that we have a choice of 2dr or 4dr with three packages to fit every need has made it to where the Wrangler is becoming one of the best selling 4wd's on the market. Not to mention it helps keep it reputation and resale value as the top of it's class. That keeps the Jeep going for future generations and not dying out like so many other vehicles that have come and gone.
07-18-2012 07:36 PM
wat3rdog If the fact that someone owns the same thing that you do bothers you then MAN up. That's like saying its wrong for someone else to have the same work boots as you but taller so thier boots aren't as cool as yours. When my little kids pull that they get a good thump on the head and told to act right.
07-18-2012 07:01 PM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by crossbonesdennis View Post
I agree but have you ever been to a car show? Talk about egos. I've seen lawn chairs thrown because their car didn't finish high enough.

There's one in every bunch. Whether they ride a Harley, drive a 'vette, own a boat or whatever else. They think it makes them special and want to brag how great it is.



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Yeah, been to PLENTY of car shows, even competed in a few. People seriously throw hissy fits.

I can appreciate a good car show and understand people being upset, especially considering the amount of time and money some people put into their projects, but it is what it is. The odds are that a "cherry" 1978 Ford Fairmont isn't going to "win" a car show over a "decent" 1969 Camaro 396 SS.

I guess I just never had the need to brag about what I had...
07-18-2012 05:40 PM
redskinswin Me too. Bought mine day after Fathers Day. I also like the fact that with more product on the road, more mods are being bought. This should lead to cheaper mods eventually. Ever notice teh differences in prices between mods for a YJ vs a JK?
07-18-2012 04:57 PM
Ruby Tuesday Add me to the list of June buyers!
07-18-2012 04:44 PM
rockkayak I kinda like some of the soccer moms driving the jeeps, especially mine.
07-18-2012 04:24 PM
crossbonesdennis
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Originally Posted by countrybassist View Post
If someone has to "stroke their ego" by means of bragging that they have a Jeep, this person has some serious self esteem issues.
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Originally Posted by Con Artist View Post
X2. A Jeep ain't expensive enough to cure a self esteem issue...ANY Jeep.
I agree but have you ever been to a car show? Talk about egos. I've seen lawn chairs thrown because their car didn't finish high enough.

There's one in every bunch. Whether they ride a Harley, drive a 'vette, own a boat or whatever else. They think it makes them special and want to brag how great it is.

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Originally Posted by ndrugby View Post
I think it's a great thing. Sure, the uniqueness of owning a Jeep in general has disappeared. But the ability to make your Jeep unique has not!

I drive a 2 door (the minority now), with half doors (major major minority, haven't seen a single other half door JK around here), and I get to mod it as much as I like to make it my own. Bumpers, lifts, tires, and the list goes on and on.

The continued succes means the product gets to grow. More can be spent on R&D and improvements. More vendors can create interesting aftermarket products because the market is bigger. It's great.

And it means more Jeeps to wave at, even if it means a lower percentage of them that wave back.
X2
07-17-2012 11:50 PM
ndrugby I think it's a great thing. Sure, the uniqueness of owning a Jeep in general has disappeared. But the ability to make your Jeep unique has not!

I drive a 2 door (the minority now), with half doors (major major minority, haven't seen a single other half door JK around here), and I get to mod it as much as I like to make it my own. Bumpers, lifts, tires, and the list goes on and on.

The continued succes means the product gets to grow. More can be spent on R&D and improvements. More vendors can create interesting aftermarket products because the market is bigger. It's great.

And it means more Jeeps to wave at, even if it means a lower percentage of them that wave back.
07-17-2012 10:42 PM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by countrybassist View Post
If someone has to "stroke their ego" by means of bragging that they have a Jeep, this person has some serious self esteem issues.
X2. A Jeep ain't expensive enough to cure a self esteem issue...ANY Jeep.
07-17-2012 09:13 PM
countrybassist
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Originally Posted by crossbonesdennis View Post
It just makes it harder for a "hardcore" Jeep guy to stroke his ego by trying to brag about his Jeep at work when a soccer mom pops her head over the cubicle wall and says "I drive one of those too"!
If someone has to "stroke their ego" by means of bragging that they have a Jeep, this person has some serious self esteem issues.
07-17-2012 08:53 PM
crossbonesdennis It just makes it harder for a "hardcore" Jeep guy to stroke his ego by trying to brag about his Jeep at work when a soccer mom pops her head over the cubicle wall and says "I drive one of those too"!
07-15-2012 09:35 AM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by ShoreWrangler View Post
I can't get over how many Wranglers I see on the road now. I'm just not sure if this is a good thing or not???
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Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
x2
It's a good thing! What's the matter, you worried about your arm getting tired from waving at everyone?

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Originally Posted by wassup8687 View Post
I've seen many more on the road lately also. I think it's a good thing.
Definitely a good thing!

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Originally Posted by rev2red View Post
More sales = more money for Jeep to spend on researching and preventing the ticking pentastar? lol
No ticks from my Pentastar...yet.

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Originally Posted by Metonymy View Post
I proudly contributed to the Jeep June sales number.

At least Chrysler is using "sold to customers" as their sales data instead of Government Motors using "sold to dealers" (aka: channel stuffing) as their sales data.
It'd be interesting to see ANY of the numbers from other manufacturers who don't skew the true facts.

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Originally Posted by chim-chim7 View Post
How could more Wranglers on the road even be considered NOT a good thing?

More Wranglers means...

More Wranglers means jobs get created
More Wranglers means help stimulate the Economy
More Wranglers means more aftermarket support
More Wranglers means new businesses
More Wranglers means more friends at the spot
X2!

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Originally Posted by Roshko View Post
You are right there are definitely more wranglers on the road now, except everyone is buying unlimited. The 2 door rubicons are still scarce in my area.
I RARELY see ANY Rubicons in my area, JKs or JKUs! VERY RARELY do I EVER see a Rubicon...only mine and the neighbor's 2011 COD.

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Originally Posted by gkellys View Post
Same here. They (JKUs) are at almost every light. The JKU opened the market up to the soccer moms. Seems to be hundreds around here, mostly JKUs being driven mostly by what appear to be moms hauling kids to practice. Nothing at all wrong with that. Moms need to have fun too!!!

Seriously though. Good for Chrysler. More sales equals more money, which I hope keeps them around for a long time. Plus they need the cash to replace all those heads on the hot selling '12s.
Well, I'm no soccermom. Chrysler didn't open the market to soccermoms, they opened up the market to people like myself who need space and still want a Wrangler.

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Originally Posted by wat3rdog View Post
They opened the market to Dads with kids and dogs. Trailer for gear and the back for the dogs. I need a 5 passenger and more room for my tall nephews for camping. Until now the 2 door ment waiting until midlife crisis. My final nail to my decision for JKU was they are built here in the USA. More Jeeps? Being sold means that They are adding a shift to the plant and 50 more workers. USA!
All good things!

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Originally Posted by wat3rdog View Post
The other selling factor of the JKU is the increased towing cap. 3500lbs means I can trade the truck bed for a 5x8 trailer with a 3500lbs gw for $1000 brand new. I need to be able to haul things and I need more room then my midsized Toyota access cab truck. JKU=jeep owner. Of course the JKU did not apply until the new motor was rolled out giving more HP and torque. Going next month to order my 2012 now that the wifes car is paid for. Although it does amaze me at how many people can become snobs because they think thier opinion is better than someone else's. Lifes too short to not have fun! Big jeep, little jeep fun fun fun. Roll on......
Yeah, funny how someone with two doors think they're better than someone with four doors on the same vehicle. We're not talking about two-door Chevelles vs. four-door Chevelles.

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Originally Posted by rmb View Post
The four door got me back into a jeep (family needs) after a long time away, and now my future plan is to pass the one I just bought two days ago to my wife so I can get a two door.
The four door got me IN to the "Jeep family." If it weren't for the JKU I wouldn't be driving a Wrangler, I'd be behind the wheel of one of those nice, new Ford F-150s. No, not a bad thing, but not exactly what I was gassing for, either.

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Originally Posted by GreenRubi View Post
More Wranglers on the road means more mods being sold, more jeep related businesses making money, more mods coming to market, more mod choices for everyone, more inexpensive parts on Craigslist, etc., etc...

It's a good thing because its a Jeep thing.
This too. The more money Chrysler makes, the nicer their vehicles will become. Not a bad thing because in the end, hopefully the quality of the product will continue to increase. IMO, Chrysler is making some decent ground.
07-15-2012 09:16 AM
GreenRubi
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Originally Posted by ShoreWrangler View Post
I can't get over how many Wranglers I see on the road now. I'm just not sure if this is a good thing or not???
More Wranglers on the road means more mods being sold, more jeep related businesses making money, more mods coming to market, more mod choices for everyone, more inexpensive parts on Craigslist, etc., etc...

It's a good thing because its a Jeep thing.
07-15-2012 07:43 AM
rmb The four door got me back into a jeep (family needs) after a long time away, and now my future plan is to pass the one I just bought two days ago to my wife so I can get a two door.
07-15-2012 07:15 AM
ShoreWrangler
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Originally Posted by chim-chim7 View Post
How could more Wranglers on the road even be considered NOT a good thing?

More Wranglers means...

More Wranglers means jobs get created
More Wranglers means help stimulate the Economy
More Wranglers means more aftermarket support
More Wranglers means new businesses
More Wranglers means more friends at the spot
I'm happy that they are selling well enough to insure that the model continues on, but it gets to the point where they sell so many of them it loses its uniqueness and that special quality that we all love. I kind of worry that the 4 door has made it just a little too convenient for folks that previously couldn't fit the 2-door into their lifestyles if you know what I mean. And don't get me wrong there are tons of hard core Jeep folks who own 4-doors, but I kind of liked that the 2-door has been so irrational and inconvenient for all these years. I like when people say "how could you get that, it's so uncomfortable, it has no cargo room, you have to climb into the back seat" - I'm like, that's exactly why I wanted it in the first place!

It's a Jeep Thing baby!

So anyway, good and bad with the big sales number, but mostly good I suppose...
07-14-2012 12:08 PM
NFRs2000NYC
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Originally Posted by ShoreWrangler View Post
I can't get over how many Wranglers I see on the road now. I'm just not sure if this is a good thing or not???
Good thing. Parts will be cheaper.
07-14-2012 12:07 PM
mo1416 I work just 8 miles from my house and it takes me no more than 15 min. to get there, I pass at least 10 jeeps to work and 10 from work every day.
07-14-2012 11:51 AM
wat3rdog The other selling factor of the JKU is the increased towing cap. 3500lbs means I can trade the truck bed for a 5x8 trailer with a 3500lbs gw for $1000 brand new. I need to be able to haul things and I need more room then my midsized Toyota access cab truck. JKU=jeep owner. Of course the JKU did not apply until the new motor was rolled out giving more HP and torque. Going next month to order my 2012 now that the wifes car is paid for. Although it does amaze me at how many people can become snobs because they think thier opinion is better than someone else's. Lifes too short to not have fun! Big jeep, little jeep fun fun fun. Roll on......
07-07-2012 08:59 PM
wat3rdog
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Originally Posted by gkellys

Same here. They (JKUs) are at almost every light. The JKU opened the market up to the soccer moms. Seems to be hundreds around here, mostly JKUs being driven mostly by what appear to be moms hauling kids to practice. Nothing at all wrong with that. Moms need to have fun too!!!

Seriously though. Good for Chrysler. More sales equals more money, which I hope keeps them around for a long time. Plus they need the cash to replace all those heads on the hot selling '12s.
They opened the market to Dads with kids and dogs. Trailer for gear and the back for the dogs. I need a 5 passenger and more room for my tall nephews for camping. Until now the 2 door ment waiting until midlife crisis. My final nail to my decision for JKU was they are built here in the USA. More Jeeps? Being sold means that They are adding a shift to the plant and 50 more workers. USA!
07-07-2012 08:56 PM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by gkellys

Same here. They (JKUs) are at almost every light. The JKU opened the market up to the soccer moms. Seems to be hundreds around here, mostly JKUs being driven mostly by what appear to be moms hauling kids to practice. Nothing at all wrong with that. Moms need to have fun too!!!

Seriously though. Good for Chrysler. More sales equals more money, which I hope keeps them around for a long time. Plus they need the cash to replace all those heads on the hot selling '12s.
07-07-2012 08:48 PM
gkellys
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Originally Posted by Roshko View Post
You are right there are definitely more wranglers on the road now, except everyone is buying unlimited. The 2 door rubicons are still scarce in my area.
Same here. They (JKUs) are at almost every light. The JKU opened the market up to the soccer moms. Seems to be hundreds around here, mostly JKUs being driven mostly by what appear to be moms hauling kids to practice. Nothing at all wrong with that. Moms need to have fun too!!!

Seriously though. Good for Chrysler. More sales equals more money, which I hope keeps them around for a long time. Plus they need the cash to replace all those heads on the hot selling '12s.
07-07-2012 07:55 PM
Blackened
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Originally Posted by mcdull View Post
Just saw this "These are America's 15 busiest auto plants"
These are America's 15 busiest auto plants

Despite everybody's wish here, Chrysler's plants don't seem to be that busy, none of them in top 15.
  1. Ford (Kansas City Assembly Plant in Claycomo, MO) - 460,338
  2. Ford (Dearborn Truck Plant, Dearborn, MI) - 342,162
  3. Hyundai (Hyundai Motor Manufacturing Plant, Montgomery, AL) - 342,162
  4. Nissan (Nissan North America, Smyrna, TN) - 333,392
  5. Toyota (Georgetown, KY) - 315,889
  6. General Motors (Fort Wayne, Roanoke, IN) - 307,454
  7. Honda (Marysville Auto Plant, Marysville, OH) - 285,258
  8. Kia/Hyundai - (Kia Motors Manufacturing Georgia, West Point, GA) - 282,316
  9. General Motors - (Lordstown Complex, Warren, OH) - 279,674
  10. General Motors - (Fairfax Assembly Plant, Kansas City, KS) - 279,250
  11. General Motors - (Lansing Delta Township, Lansing, MI) - 277,277
  12. BMW (BMW Manufacturing Co., Spartanburg, SC) - 277,074
  13. General Motors (Arlington, TX) - 269,624
  14. Honda - (Honda Manufacturing of Alabama, Lincoln, AL) - 264,324
  15. Ford - (Chicago Assembly Plant, Chicago) - 262,730



Nice to see Ford in first and second.
07-07-2012 07:19 AM
Roshko You are right there are definitely more wranglers on the road now, except everyone is buying unlimited. The 2 door rubicons are still scarce in my area.
07-07-2012 06:02 AM
kjeeper10
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Originally Posted by chim-chim7

How could more Wranglers on the road even be considered NOT a good thing?

More Wranglers means...

More Wranglers means jobs get created
More Wranglers means help stimulate the Economy
More Wranglers means more aftermarket support
More Wranglers means new businesses
More Wranglers means more friends at the spot
It's a good thing but I agree. I remember driving around my Yj way back. The beach every weekend, there was maybe 4 other jeeps, most older but some new Tj's at the time. Now I see them everywhere. I lose count lol.
Just not the same.
07-07-2012 03:59 AM
chim-chim7
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Originally Posted by ShoreWrangler View Post
I can't get over how many Wranglers I see on the road now. I'm just not sure if this is a good thing or not???


How could more Wranglers on the road even be considered NOT a good thing?

More Wranglers means...

More Wranglers means jobs get created
More Wranglers means help stimulate the Economy
More Wranglers means more aftermarket support
More Wranglers means new businesses
More Wranglers means more friends at the spot
07-07-2012 02:50 AM
Tumbleweed TSAP has a backlog of orders for 85 days worth of production.
07-07-2012 02:39 AM
Braveheart12JK
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Originally Posted by lolpetewtf
They are everywhere in MA.
Agreed! I'm on the South Shore and I have a 30 min commute to and from work. On my ride in the morning I see anywhere from 5-15 Wranglers just near my city.
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