|10-16-2006 09:48 AM|
|04moneypit||Both the stage 2 and the x-series comes with control arms. I have the stage 2, and I have been very happy with it except for the shocks. The X-series comes with adjustable control arms. Quite a bargain for the price. Good luck.|
|10-16-2006 08:25 AM|
|mrbigjeep||x series gives you all new control arms...i think some are adjustable...i read a review about the x series and it is very good but you don't have to go with it. the stage two is fine. i believe the main difference is that the x series comes with the control arms|
|10-15-2006 10:22 PM|
|redbeard||one more question. if i go with the rough country 4" should i get the 4" stage 2 ($529) or the 4" x-series ($899) is there a big difference?|
|10-10-2006 08:30 PM|
|10-10-2006 06:57 PM|
|10-10-2006 02:11 PM|
|ChilliRed||haha i can agree wit that in some cases, but yellow and chilli peper red dont go together as well as i would like IMO now the gray from an Nth TT would be a completely different story|
|10-10-2006 12:58 AM|
|10-09-2006 09:23 PM|
|ChilliRed||I forgot to mention, i have OME shocks with my lift. They are wonderful, but expensive. Im not to crazy about is the color, but now they make black ones i believe (saw em on OK4WD.com) I got the softer ride and its very nice, im happy i chose it over the more stiff option. Another thing if you do decide to get OME, the bushing is kinda tough to get into the eye (top part of the shock) in the rear. Mine have since slid out and rattle around in the back a bit (bar pin eliminator may fix this.) Last thing i noticed, maybe its just with my jeep, but with my lift the shocks make contact with the lower spring perch and have dented the shocks a little, with no ill effects... i just wanted to let anyone know in case they didnt want two dented $80 shocks|
|10-09-2006 07:48 PM|
|mrbigjeep||i've heard soooo many good things about the bilstein and OME shocks...i've always known of bilstein as an upper expensive brand that was very good quality and i've heard that OME's shocks are uncomparable giving a ride that is as good as stock if not even a bit better than stock!|
|10-09-2006 07:35 PM|
Since you mention ride quality is important to you, and it is to me too for my daily driver TJ, I'd say to be real careful with your shock selection. Shocks to avoid are quite a few... ProComp ES-3000, Rancho R5000, Skyjacker Nitrocharged, and actually most other nitro (gas) charged shocks as all of them ride stiffly.
The two gas-charged shocks I'm aware of that DO have a good ride is the OME (Old Man Emu) and the SPECIAL Bilstein 5100 made specifically for the Wrangler... which not all Bilstein dealers even know about so be careful there.
Other good riding shocks include the Doestch Tech DT-3000, Rubicon Express's monotube Extreme", and hydraulic shocks like from Skyjacker, etc.. Both the Rancho R9000 and ProComp MX-6 are adjustable so you can dial in the ride you like but both must be adjusted all the way down to their first or second settings for a good ride as they are not specifically valved for the Wrangler's weight.
Do get some good control arms. I'd class both ProComp's and Tera's on the same crappy unacceptable level. Rubicon Express, Currie, Full Traction, JKS, etc. make good control arms.
|10-09-2006 06:47 PM|
|ChilliRed||I have a 4inch superlift that only runs around $670 +shipping from quadratec. After riding (on the road) in my friends jeep with a 4.5 inch rubicon express superflex kit i can say that the quality of my lift almost parallels his. My kit came with front lower control arms as well as the other minimum stuff like the pro comp lift they were talking about. I do reccomend that you spend the extra money and finish off your lift with an SYE and driveshaft tho! I do not think paying for 4 inches more clearance under the belly and only getting 3 is cool, plus its a much cleaner look with the belly tucked and not hanging in my opinion. O yea off road the superlift handles great, but i have never driven with another lift so i cant say much to compare on that part. Just something to look into and ask others about.|
|10-09-2006 06:07 PM|
|mrbigjeep||autos are more prone to vibes than manuals!|
|10-09-2006 05:28 PM|
|Skelos||As for the SYE, I just put on a 4" with TC spacers. I do feel a definate vibe through the shifter (I have a manual) in 1 and 3. And it is a little harder to get into 2 and 4. If you have a auto I don't think you have to worry about it too much, but if you have a manual, I would definately suggest you consider that as your next upgrade.|
|10-09-2006 11:42 AM|
|mrbigjeep||the driveshaft gets so short at 4 inches that it can slip out of the tcase or jam in it and bend or crack it... 3" suspension and 1" isn't a bad idea. i've heard that the RE 3.5" lifts are very good and you can clear 33's. rough country is a very good 4" kit too as it is very cheap yet complete and has pleased many people|
|10-09-2006 10:28 AM|
|11-28-2005 10:36 AM|
I only have personall experience with the YJ Pro Comp lift, and can say to RUN, don't walk away from that one...
That being said, I have a buddy in the Jeep club that bought a Pro Comp 4" stage 2 lift kit one year and was running the RE 4"kit the next because of the poor ride and dissappointing handling. Like with most things, you usually get what you pay for.
|11-27-2005 02:00 PM|
|jeepmutt||You mentioned "Transmission Case lowering spacers"... I am guessing you meant Transfer Case. Those spacers eliminate the need for a SYE. By lowering the TC you keep the rear driveshaft from having the steep angle that causes all the vibration. The downside is you put something under your Jeep closer to the ground, minimizing the ground clearance you gain by fitting a lift that will allow bigger tires. (The good news is you already have a big skid plate right there.) If you are trying to lift on the cheap, you'll have to use the Transfer Case drop, b/c a SYE will also require a new rear shaft... together a $500-$700 investment. As funds allow, you can always upgrade to this later.|
|11-25-2005 09:31 PM|
|amerijeep||Thanks, Jerry. We're glad to have your experience!|
|11-25-2005 07:45 PM|
I'm very (!) familiar with all of ProComp's lifts and for a Jeep, I cannot recommend any of their Stage 2 lifts. There are two problems with them... 1) The control arms are a poor design and don't flex in the directions needed to avoid control arm bracket failure. TeraFlex has the exact same problem. It's not like you can expect control arm bracket failures on easy to moderate trails but you can when the suspension has to really be able to flex well on more difficult trails. 2) The ES-3000 shocks that come in all of their kits are EXTREMELY (!!!!!) stiff riding and I doubt you'd enjoy the ride at all.
I will say that ProComp's springs are otherwise outstanding quality and can be the core of an otherwise excellent suspension... just avoid ProComp's control arms and ES-3000 shocks.
My first post here guys, sorry to have to start off with a negative hit on ProComp but I know more about that product than I can admit to here and can only say I wouldn't recommend it to a friend.
|11-23-2005 04:58 PM|
|mud707||Ok. I Went To Order The Procomp Explorer Stage 2 4 In. Lift Kit Today For 319.99, But When I Clicked On The Info/buy Button On The Website It Took Me To A Different Page. It Now Shows A Picture Of The Stage 2 4in Lift And A List Brief Description. Except At The Bottom Where The Add To Cart Button Is The Item List As A Stage 1, 2 In. Lift. I Called And Tried To Get Them To Honor The Price Listed On The Page Before, But They Say They're Not Responsible For Any Mistypes Or Anything. So I Guess I'll Have 2 Save Up Some More.|
|11-22-2005 03:49 PM|
Yeah, like Jeepn said you would be real close on having vibes. If you are sure that's what you want to get then you could always drop the TCase a little bit lower with some washers to get rid of the vibes until you can afford the SYE and new shaft.
And what they were talking about with the sway bar will be extended sway bar links. I have never personally seen this kit, but I am assuming from your description that it doesn't come with adjustable trac bars?
|11-22-2005 01:52 PM|
|4Jeepn||For most TJ"S.. lifts at or over 4" usually end up needing an SYE. You could install it see how it is an go from there.. for the price it sounds like a great deal.|
|11-22-2005 11:05 AM|
Ok. I Called Jc Whitney And They Said Explorer Stage 2 Kit Contians Everything In The Picture Shown Which Is Springs, Shocks, Track Bar Relocater, Something To Help With Bump Bar (looks Like A Sway Bar), Conrol Arm, Transmission Case Lowering Spacers And The Rest Of Your Basic Lift Stuff. The Only Thing They Said Wasn't Included Was The Shock Boot Covers. Said You Can Order Your Choice Of Colors But Would Be Extra. So My Next Question Is Do You Need To Have A Slip Yoke Eliminator Shaft For A 4 Inch Lift Or Do You Generally Only Need These For 6 And Above?
|11-21-2005 02:58 PM|
|4Jeepn||Procomp as decent springs, and up to a few years ago currie used them in their 4" kits. The biggest issue I hear about their kits is the shocks don't have enough travel/ride ruff. I would think for the price it would be a bare bones kits, springs and some brackets, maybe shocks, but who knows.|
|11-21-2005 02:10 PM|
pro comp stage 2 lift
I was wondering if any one out here has a pro comp stage 2 4 inch lift. I was thinking of getting one and wondering how they perform. I noticed they have them at the jc whitney site for 319 + shipping. only thing they don't give you a good description of what the kit includes. I would appreciate any advice on this