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08-25-2012 09:46 PM
dongalonga
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmpage84 View Post
Hey Guys,

Here's the real scoop based on some facts:

1. I've been a cop for 30 years.
2. I've never written up ANYONE on ANY vehicle for having tires that exceed the fenders. BUT That's just me.
3. It IS illegal in MA to have any part of your tires outside the fenders; HOWEVER fenders on a Jeep do include the flares.
THERE IS NO EXCEPTION IN THE LAW FOR 4X4 vehicles despite how someone reads and interprets the way the law is written. (I have been over this with the Magistrates and a few Judges at District Court)

Obviously the law is in place to keep debris, spray, etc. from getting kicked back onto traffic behind you.

It would be best if you invested in a good set of flares for your jeep, I have 6" Tags on mine and they take a beating and hold up well. My flares cover 95% of my tires. The tread area is completely covered, (Thatís the important part) and just a bit of the
sidewall runs past.

Now I can't speak for all the guys on the job, but most of them are not looking to bust ba**s simply for tires running past the fenders UNLESS youíre driving habits are attracting their attention. THERE ARE HOWEVER, enough dipsh*ts, with a total lack of common sense, that it is beyond me how they ever even became a cop in the first place, will try and make everyoneís life miserable. I know, I work with several!

The other thing you have to consider is yearly inspections. Big tires and huge lifts are an instant failure. The Registry has been all over inspection stations monitoring their practice. I have a very good friend who runs a very legit. auto repair/inspection station and heís been bagged 3 times over unbelievably stupid sh*t in the past few months by "secret shoppers" from the registry coming in for "inspections"

As for Rafikies' advise:



What if the cop snapped a pic. or worse yet has the stop on video from a dash cam? (I do this routinely when citing for an equipment violation as the cause of an accident!) Wonít you look foolish trying to lie to the Magistrate about how the Jeep miraculously transformed into a street legal vehicle! My advice, plead ignorance to the law, be apologetic, and cry poverty! LOL! Hope for the best- a not responsible finding, or a reduced fine. (Yes, you can request a reduced fine, Magistrates routinely do that.) Itís bad enough that the friggin' State now charges you $25 for a hearing. They got their hands in your wallet even before your found responsible!

Welcome to Taxachusetts! The home of never ending road construction, taxes, and stupid fees!

Just my 2 cents! Take it for what itís worth!

Happy Trails!

What a great post. Thanks for your service!
08-11-2012 11:28 AM
kirnzy
b) Fenders. Front and rear fenders must be in place on all vehicles manufactured after model year
1949 if such vehicles were designed and manufactured to be operated with front and rear fenders.
Every passenger motor vehicle under 10,000 lbs. (GVWR) , except four wheel drive vehicles
which are equipped with tires which extend beyond the fenders or body of such vehicle shall be
equipped with flaps or suitable guards to reduce such spray or splash to the rear and side.


It appears that the only thing law enforcement can get you on is no mud flaps preventing any debris from hitting passing as well as vehicles in the rear. its absurd to think of fender flares with mud flaps but i beleive thats the only thing they can get you on.
08-11-2012 07:18 AM
bmpage84
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattamd_xp View Post
Excerp from MA 50CMR400 Page 11:
"(b) Fenders. Front and rear fenders must be in place on all vehicles manufactured after model year 1949 if such vehicles were designed and manufactured to be operated with front and rear fenders. Every passenger motor vehicle under 10,000 lbs. (GVWR) , except four wheel drive vehicles which are equipped with tires which extend beyond the fenders or body of such vehicle shall be equipped with flaps or suitable guards to reduce such spray or splash to the rear and side"

per the law 4wd vehicles are allowed to have tires extending out as long as there are proper mud flaps in place.
Sorry Charlie, er, mattamd

The CMR's (Code of Massachusettes Regulations) were written specificly for the MA Turnpike authorities and are only enforceable on State Highways / Turnpikes/ Bridges (Unless a City of Town has adopted them - which, not that many have)

The CMR's do not "trump" Mass General Laws Chapter 89 & 90 which govern most of the motor vehicle laws. The CMR's were written back in the late 80's to replace the old "Articles" which were no longer allowed to be written into the new Uniform Citation that MA developed.

As I said in my previous posting - I have been over this with Judges and ADA's at District Court - Jeeps or "4WD" vehicles are NOT exempt from C90/7 PERIOD.
08-06-2012 07:50 PM
mattamd_xp Excerp from MA 50CMR400 Page 11:
"(b) Fenders. Front and rear fenders must be in place on all vehicles manufactured after model year 1949 if such vehicles were designed and manufactured to be operated with front and rear fenders. Every passenger motor vehicle under 10,000 lbs. (GVWR) , except four wheel drive vehicles which are equipped with tires which extend beyond the fenders or body of such vehicle shall be equipped with flaps or suitable guards to reduce such spray or splash to the rear and side"

per the law 4wd vehicles are allowed to have tires extending out as long as there are proper mud flaps in place.
07-19-2012 08:32 PM
HICK83
Quote:
Originally Posted by N3M0
What did you do to extend your flares
look on cheap easy fun creative much I posted pictures
07-18-2012 07:41 PM
N3M0 What did you do to extend your flares
07-16-2012 07:56 PM
SmugglersBlues
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmpage84 View Post
Hey Guys,

Here's the real scoop based on some facts:

1. I've been a cop for 30 years.
2. I've never written up ANYONE on ANY vehicle for having tires that exceed the fenders. BUT That's just me.
3. It IS illegal in MA to have any part of your tires outside the fenders; HOWEVER fenders on a Jeep do include the flares.
THERE IS NO EXCEPTION IN THE LAW FOR 4X4 vehicles despite how someone reads and interprets the way the law is written. (I have been over this with the Magistrates and a few Judges at District Court)

Obviously the law is in place to keep debris, spray, etc. from getting kicked back onto traffic behind you.

It would be best if you invested in a good set of flares for your jeep, I have 6" Tags on mine and they take a beating and hold up well. My flares cover 95% of my tires. The tread area is completely covered, (Thatís the important part) and just a bit of the
sidewall runs past.

Now I can't speak for all the guys on the job, but most of them are not looking to bust ba**s simply for tires running past the fenders UNLESS youíre driving habits are attracting their attention. THERE ARE HOWEVER, enough dipsh*ts, with a total lack of common sense, that it is beyond me how they ever even became a cop in the first place, will try and make everyoneís life miserable. I know, I work with several!

The other thing you have to consider is yearly inspections. Big tires and huge lifts are an instant failure. The Registry has been all over inspection stations monitoring their practice. I have a very good friend who runs a very legit. auto repair/inspection station and heís been bagged 3 times over unbelievably stupid sh*t in the past few months by "secret shoppers" from the registry coming in for "inspections"

As for Rafikies' advise:



What if the cop snapped a pic. or worse yet has the stop on video from a dash cam? (I do this routinely when citing for an equipment violation as the cause of an accident!) Wonít you look foolish trying to lie to the Magistrate about how the Jeep miraculously transformed into a street legal vehicle! My advice, plead ignorance to the law, be apologetic, and cry poverty! LOL! Hope for the best- a not responsible finding, or a reduced fine. (Yes, you can request a reduced fine, Magistrates routinely do that.) Itís bad enough that the friggin' State now charges you $25 for a hearing. They got their hands in your wallet even before your found responsible!

Welcome to Taxachusetts! The home of never ending road construction, taxes, and stupid fees!

Just my 2 cents! Take it for what itís worth!

Happy Trails!
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2003x View Post
True. Coming from a fellow LEO.
Great write up and from yet another LEO here in Mass
07-16-2012 07:55 PM
SmugglersBlues
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmpage84 View Post
Hey Guys,

Here's the real scoop based on some facts:

1. I've been a cop for 30 years.
2. I've never written up ANYONE on ANY vehicle for having tires that exceed the fenders. BUT That's just me.
3. It IS illegal in MA to have any part of your tires outside the fenders; HOWEVER fenders on a Jeep do include the flares.
THERE IS NO EXCEPTION IN THE LAW FOR 4X4 vehicles despite how someone reads and interprets the way the law is written. (I have been over this with the Magistrates and a few Judges at District Court)

Obviously the law is in place to keep debris, spray, etc. from getting kicked back onto traffic behind you.

It would be best if you invested in a good set of flares for your jeep, I have 6" Tags on mine and they take a beating and hold up well. My flares cover 95% of my tires. The tread area is completely covered, (Thatís the important part) and just a bit of the
sidewall runs past.

Now I can't speak for all the guys on the job, but most of them are not looking to bust ba**s simply for tires running past the fenders UNLESS youíre driving habits are attracting their attention. THERE ARE HOWEVER, enough dipsh*ts, with a total lack of common sense, that it is beyond me how they ever even became a cop in the first place, will try and make everyoneís life miserable. I know, I work with several!

The other thing you have to consider is yearly inspections. Big tires and huge lifts are an instant failure. The Registry has been all over inspection stations monitoring their practice. I have a very good friend who runs a very legit. auto repair/inspection station and heís been bagged 3 times over unbelievably stupid sh*t in the past few months by "secret shoppers" from the registry coming in for "inspections"

As for Rafikies' advise:



What if the cop snapped a pic. or worse yet has the stop on video from a dash cam? (I do this routinely when citing for an equipment violation as the cause of an accident!) Wonít you look foolish trying to lie to the Magistrate about how the Jeep miraculously transformed into a street legal vehicle! My advice, plead ignorance to the law, be apologetic, and cry poverty! LOL! Hope for the best- a not responsible finding, or a reduced fine. (Yes, you can request a reduced fine, Magistrates routinely do that.) Itís bad enough that the friggin' State now charges you $25 for a hearing. They got their hands in your wallet even before your found responsible!

Welcome to Taxachusetts! The home of never ending road construction, taxes, and stupid fees!

Just my 2 cents! Take it for what itís worth!

Happy Trails!
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2003x View Post
True. Coming from a fellow LEO.
Great write up and from yet another LEO here in Mass
07-16-2012 07:36 PM
HICK83
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmpage84
LMAO! If figures, send em' to a training class for a couple of days and their out to save the world! Nice job on the flare extensions! Those front tires look a bit stuffed, you get much rub? What size lift you running?

I don't have a lift yet and the tires are 33"x12.5 I haven't herd them rub in 2 months. When I am wheeling and disconnected at full flex it rubs.

Attachment 141584


As you can see. Can't weight till I can afford a lift.
And I forgot to mention the cop has been working for probly 50 years. He was up for retirement a few years ago.
07-16-2012 05:11 PM
bmpage84 Thanks for the pasteris71.
But let me say this; there is a difference between doing your job, and doing it with common sense. I can tell you from many years of experience that common sense is no longer very common with a lot of the new guys. (And people in general for that matter!) Training has changed a lot over the last 10 years or so at the Academies and it seems that they produce an awful lot of book smart robots who can't apply common sense to the job.
A lot of Jeepers, especially newbies, get overexcited about doing mods to their Jeeps when it comes to lifts and tires and have done so with no "malice aforethought", and most of the time, a complete ignorance (not disregard) of the law.
I routinely stop Jeeps when I'm working and give owners a "heads up" (or verbal warning as one would say) about tires being too wide, and another really big one - no mirrors. It's never a formal "license and registration" stop, but more of an informal "hey just a head up, but ya can't.........) I usually follow it up by giving them my email address and request they contact me for info about forums, links, etc., I've accumulated over the years so they can become educated about what they can and can't do.
Think about it, are you really going to write a fine to a guy who popped his doors off on a beautiful Sunday afternoon to take his kids out for a ride because it's so "cool" to them, but didn't even think about the fact that he's running with no mirrors? Personally, it's just not my style.

But hey, thats just me. I don't have all the "fancy book-learnin" a lot of the young guys have - just speakin' from 30 years street experience and a LOT of common sense.

Happy Trails everyone!
07-15-2012 06:20 PM
pasteris71 Good write up officer! Maybe this will put to rest many of the critics. Whether you like it or not that officer was doing their job. It's your fault for not obeying the law. They are readily available for reading online.
07-15-2012 01:26 PM
bmpage84 LMAO! If figures, send em' to a training class for a couple of days and their out to save the world! Nice job on the flare extensions! Those front tires look a bit stuffed, you get much rub? What size lift you running?
07-15-2012 11:55 AM
HICK83 I have good road manners the cop was dot trained and is always looking out for stuff like that. Anyway that night I put my stock tires on until I could make some 8" flatties. I just thought it was a little much for a first offence he could of given me a warning. Any way haven't herd anything yet but I will update when I find out. Here is some pics of her.


Attachment 141131



Attachment 141133
07-15-2012 10:27 AM
2003x
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmpage84 View Post
Now I can't speak for all the guys on the job, but most of them are not looking to bust ba**s simply for tires running past the fenders UNLESS youíre driving habits are attracting their attention. THERE ARE HOWEVER, enough dipsh*ts, with a total lack of common sense, that it is beyond me how they ever even became a cop in the first place, will try and make everyoneís life miserable. I know, I work with several!
True. Coming from a fellow LEO.
07-15-2012 07:44 AM
bmpage84 Hey Guys,

Here's the real scoop based on some facts:

1. I've been a cop for 30 years.
2. I've never written up ANYONE on ANY vehicle for having tires that exceed the fenders. BUT That's just me.
3. It IS illegal in MA to have any part of your tires outside the fenders; HOWEVER fenders on a Jeep do include the flares.
THERE IS NO EXCEPTION IN THE LAW FOR 4X4 vehicles despite how someone reads and interprets the way the law is written. (I have been over this with the Magistrates and a few Judges at District Court)

Obviously the law is in place to keep debris, spray, etc. from getting kicked back onto traffic behind you.

It would be best if you invested in a good set of flares for your jeep, I have 6" Tags on mine and they take a beating and hold up well. My flares cover 95% of my tires. The tread area is completely covered, (That’s the important part) and just a bit of the
sidewall runs past.

Now I can't speak for all the guys on the job, but most of them are not looking to bust ba**s simply for tires running past the fenders UNLESS you’re driving habits are attracting their attention. THERE ARE HOWEVER, enough dipsh*ts, with a total lack of common sense, that it is beyond me how they ever even became a cop in the first place, will try and make everyone’s life miserable. I know, I work with several!

The other thing you have to consider is yearly inspections. Big tires and huge lifts are an instant failure. The Registry has been all over inspection stations monitoring their practice. I have a very good friend who runs a very legit. auto repair/inspection station and he’s been bagged 3 times over unbelievably stupid sh*t in the past few months by "secret shoppers" from the registry coming in for "inspections"

As for Rafikies' advise:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafikie View Post
Put a smaller set of tires on it that don't stick out so bad, take pics and drive a different car to court, show them the pics and hope you get out of it like I did or BIGGER FLARES


What if the cop snapped a pic. or worse yet has the stop on video from a dash cam? (I do this routinely when citing for an equipment violation as the cause of an accident!) Won’t you look foolish trying to lie to the Magistrate about how the Jeep miraculously transformed into a street legal vehicle! My advice, plead ignorance to the law, be apologetic, and cry poverty! LOL! Hope for the best- a not responsible finding, or a reduced fine. (Yes, you can request a reduced fine, Magistrates routinely do that.) It’s bad enough that the friggin' State now charges you $25 for a hearing. They got their hands in your wallet even before your found responsible!

Welcome to Taxachusetts! The home of never ending road construction, taxes, and stupid fees!

Just my 2 cents! Take it for what it’s worth!

Happy Trails!
07-13-2012 09:33 PM
chaz98765 Hick, anything?
06-04-2012 02:07 PM
Rider453 Ya I talked to a cop as well it's like articl 90 section 16 or Vic versa
06-03-2012 06:24 PM
Walkingstick I am glad I live in the good old state of North Carolina.
No fender laws. And one state up... No emissions laws. ^_^
06-03-2012 05:59 PM
N3M0 The fender flare law. Its ok if the tires stick out past the flare
06-03-2012 09:39 AM
2003x
Quote:
Originally Posted by FigsJeep978 View Post
I know this thread is a few months old, but i called the state police headquarters for MA and asked for them to explain the law to me. They said 4wd vehicles are exempt.
Exempt from what?
06-02-2012 08:01 PM
HICK83
Quote:
Originally Posted by FigsJeep978
I know this thread is a few months old, but i called the state police headquarters for MA and asked for them to explain the law to me. They said 4wd vehicles are exempt.
That's is sweet I just need a print out from the state police. I wonder if I could it at the foxboro one. I still have no court date.
06-02-2012 04:26 PM
N3M0 I know this thread is a few months old, but i called the state police headquarters for MA and asked for them to explain the law to me. They said 4wd vehicles are exempt.
04-17-2012 02:04 PM
Rafikie When the state cop pulled me over it wasn't because my tires "stuck out to far" it was because they didn't have enough covering them to stop them from picking up road dirt and tossing it at the cars behind.
04-17-2012 09:14 AM
Tjmike003
Quote:
Originally Posted by HICK83
I don't see ware it says I can run no fenders
You won't see where it say you can run no fenders. I said there is no fender law as in there is no law saying your tires have to be covered or any measurement.
04-14-2012 12:11 PM
2003x
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampson104
Fight it, you will win it if the magistrate is up to par on his/her laws. Vehicles equipped with 4wd or intended for off road passage can have tires extending outward beyond fender flares and wheel wells. I have a very good friend on the MSP force, 20 yr veteran and he is known as the troops go to guy for the gray areas and has expressed to all his fellow troopers that right a ticket for this is useless and there is no law in place for this. Ive been pulled over for this and actually asked the trooper to call or converse with Trooper xxxx as he has stated there is no law on this. Works evertime!
Its a very vauge law about tires and 4wd. Very confusing. As I posted, they will probably get him on the mud flaps, but I would still fight it.
04-14-2012 09:18 AM
HICK83
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampson104
Fight it, you will win it if the magistrate is up to par on his/her laws. Vehicles equipped with 4wd or intended for off road passage can have tires extending outward beyond fender flares and wheel wells. I have a very good friend on the MSP force, 20 yr veteran and he is known as the troops go to guy for the gray areas and has expressed to all his fellow troopers that right a ticket for this is useless and there is no law in place for this. Ive been pulled over for this and actually asked the trooper to call or converse with Trooper xxxx as he has stated there is no law on this. Works evertime!
Thanks I will let everyone know how it turns out
04-14-2012 07:08 AM
Matcheen
Quote:
Originally Posted by nick50471 View Post
I am glad they are writing tickets for tire width. That means all the drunk drivers, drug dealers and all other illegal activity has been stopped. You should be proud to pay it.
Hahaha, unfortunately there's no money in real illegal activity and the highway hawks need something to do.
04-14-2012 06:32 AM
Sampson104 Fight it, you will win it if the magistrate is up to par on his/her laws. Vehicles equipped with 4wd or intended for off road passage can have tires extending outward beyond fender flares and wheel wells. I have a very good friend on the MSP force, 20 yr veteran and he is known as the troops go to guy for the gray areas and has expressed to all his fellow troopers that right a ticket for this is useless and there is no law in place for this. Ive been pulled over for this and actually asked the trooper to call or converse with Trooper xxxx as he has stated there is no law on this. Works evertime!
04-07-2012 06:30 AM
HICK83 Thanks
04-05-2012 07:48 PM
2003x http://www.mass.gov/rmv/inspect/540cmr4/sec404b.htm
scroll down to section (11) for fenders, section (10) is tires.

Ch-90- Mass Law
(b) Fenders. Front and rear fenders must be in place on all vehicles manufactured after model year
1949 if such vehicles were designed and manufactured to be operated with front and rear fenders.
Every passenger motor vehicle under 10,000 lbs. (GVWR) , except four wheel drive vehicles
which are equipped with tires which extend beyond the fenders or body of such vehicle shall be
equipped with flaps or suitable guards to reduce such spray or splash to the rear and side.

Here is the same law written different in another book;

Not withstanding the provisions of this section, no passenger motor vehicle shall be operated on any way if such vehicle has the side wall or thread of any tire projecting outward beyond the outer portion of the fender or side body panel, unless such vehicle is equipped with four-wheel drive or is otherwise modified and intended for off-the-way use.


It looks like it is a $100 citation according to the citation booklet. But it says expect 4x4 vehicles in all I could find. The Law is very vague for 4x4 vehicles from what I have read / know. I know the tires have to be covered, but it looks like the law is written that if the tires stick out, they must have a mud flap. This word though, "suitable guards", can be interpreted in different ways by Police Officers.

But how I read that is, you can have tires sticking past the flares for a 4x4 vehicle, if you have mud flaps.

I would fight it, print that link from MA wesbite and show them that law. But the mud flap part they may get you on.
Hope this helps.
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