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07-20-2012 04:53 PM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by GCDMD View Post
OOPS, Freudian slip I guess. I meant to type in C&D but accidentally wrote CR. Either way, I don't like either.

I concur about the metal in the doors showing, it gives the interior more character. I too find the ride comfortable but can understand it wouldn't be the best suited in an emergency situation or hard turn. So far, I think it handles great (loving those solid axles, I feel more connected for some reason than most independents), but I haven't pushed it either and don't really want to.
Yeah, I'm interested in pushing the handling to the limits in the same way I'm interested in seeing if the airbags work...
07-20-2012 03:36 PM
GCDMD
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Originally Posted by Con Artist View Post
Yes, CR is another one. They rated the Jeep Wrangler as the WORST vehicle they've EVER tested, I believe. They ranted about how it didn't handle well in emergency situations (which I could believe...), how it wallows in corners (which it does...) and then how rough of a ride it is, how uncomfortable it is, how the interior is "unfinished" and how there is a ton of "exposed" metal. Personally, I like the "exposed" metal, as it gives some color to an otherwise fairly dark interior.

My Jeep's been great on longer trips; I'm comfortable, my wife's comfortable, the interior is fairly quiet (with the lids in), the radio sounds decent, the a/c is more than adequate, there's room for all our stuff, and it's just fairly roomy.

My biggest complaint regarding my Jeep is the (lack of) gas mileage but I knew going in that Jeeps weren't known for their stellar gas mileage; unfortunately I didn't know it was this poor, either, but I'll be honest, even if I knew ahead of time the mileage sucked, it wouldn't have deterred me from getting one.

OOPS, Freudian slip I guess. I meant to type in C&D but accidentally wrote CR. Either way, I don't like either.

I concur about the metal in the doors showing, it gives the interior more character. I too find the ride comfortable but can understand it wouldn't be the best suited in an emergency situation or hard turn. So far, I think it handles great (loving those solid axles, I feel more connected for some reason than most independents), but I haven't pushed it either and don't really want to.
07-18-2012 07:39 PM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by GCDMD View Post
X2.
I love my Jeep, 5000 miles of the most enjoyable ride i have ever had. CR is no longer a credible source.....except for maybe refrigerators and dishwashers.
Yes, CR is another one. They rated the Jeep Wrangler as the WORST vehicle they've EVER tested, I believe. They ranted about how it didn't handle well in emergency situations (which I could believe...), how it wallows in corners (which it does...) and then how rough of a ride it is, how uncomfortable it is, how the interior is "unfinished" and how there is a ton of "exposed" metal. Personally, I like the "exposed" metal, as it gives some color to an otherwise fairly dark interior.

My Jeep's been great on longer trips; I'm comfortable, my wife's comfortable, the interior is fairly quiet (with the lids in), the radio sounds decent, the a/c is more than adequate, there's room for all our stuff, and it's just fairly roomy.

My biggest complaint regarding my Jeep is the (lack of) gas mileage but I knew going in that Jeeps weren't known for their stellar gas mileage; unfortunately I didn't know it was this poor, either, but I'll be honest, even if I knew ahead of time the mileage sucked, it wouldn't have deterred me from getting one.
07-18-2012 07:30 PM
GCDMD
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Originally Posted by Con Artist View Post
I wouldn't trust ANYTHING C&D reports on. They're totally biased AGAINST domestic vehicles, in every sense of the word. It's abundantly clear they take "handouts," especially from Porsche and BMW. Ever notice when a Corvette has a fault it's garbage, yet when a Porsche or BMW has the same fault it's okay?

Years ago I read a report on a Corvette C5 vs. BMW M3 and the C5 handed the M3 its ass in every category, yet the BMW won because the seats were better and it had four seats. This was their justification in a contest which was supposed to be strictly PERFORMANCE-related.

I could go on forever with coming up with examples, but I won't. In fact, I cancelled that subscription long ago.


I haven't had an issue with the headlights. IMO, they're no worse than the headlights on any other vehicle, save for the ones with HIDs. I sure do miss the HIDs I had on my STi.

X2.
I love my Jeep, 5000 miles of the most enjoyable ride i have ever had. CR is no longer a credible source.....except for maybe refrigerators and dishwashers.
07-18-2012 06:53 PM
pkmcd99 Get a 13. There glorius and superior to the guinny pig experimental 12. Rofl.
07-18-2012 06:45 PM
Strokerswild Argh.

It's threads like this that make me question buying another Jeep, although I really want to.

Reason I'm somewhat hesitant and bother to comment? I have a 2004 F150 FX4 regular cab short-box that I bought new, and have had ZERO problems in the 8+ years I've had it. Gas and go. Even has the original battery in it yet. I was offered over high NADA book for it on a '13 Wrangler and hope to follow through (although I can't get the color I want for a couple months, another aggravating topic for another thread).

Knowing my typical luck, I'll swap the Model of Reliability in my household for a new Wrangler and it'll be a total POS.....
07-18-2012 06:34 PM
pkmcd99
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Originally Posted by Barrie

REALLY? I didn't know that, thanks.
Theres your notice Barrie
07-18-2012 06:31 PM
Barrie
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Originally Posted by lolpetewtf View Post
It won't be closed. The only ones that get closed are about headlights.
REALLY? I didn't know that, thanks.
07-18-2012 06:24 PM
unionjewel My only issue is having to work for a living and can't drive it enough. The only time it has been back to the dealer is for its first oil change.
07-18-2012 01:05 PM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by n3tfury View Post
I have a 2009 G37, so I'm spoiled on awesome headlights. IMO though, there should be no excuse to have a good set of headlights on a 30K vehicle. None.
And you're absolutely right!
07-18-2012 01:03 PM
n3tfury
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Originally Posted by Con Artist View Post
I haven't had an issue with the headlights. IMO, they're no worse than the headlights on any other vehicle, save for the ones with HIDs. I sure do miss the HIDs I had on my STi.
I have a 2009 G37, so I'm spoiled on awesome headlights. IMO though, there should be no excuse to have a good set of headlights on a 30K vehicle. None.
07-18-2012 12:52 PM
1quick1 I love my lemon. My only issue was a improperly torqued sway bar link bolt that was rattling however this could have been after racing through some offroad trails keeping up with another group. My brother video tapped it and sent it to his QC manager at the plant.
07-18-2012 11:40 AM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by n3tfury View Post
Well if C&D said "exactly", then I wouldn't even trust that study.
I wouldn't trust ANYTHING C&D reports on. They're totally biased AGAINST domestic vehicles, in every sense of the word. It's abundantly clear they take "handouts," especially from Porsche and BMW. Ever notice when a Corvette has a fault it's garbage, yet when a Porsche or BMW has the same fault it's okay?

Years ago I read a report on a Corvette C5 vs. BMW M3 and the C5 handed the M3 its ass in every category, yet the BMW won because the seats were better and it had four seats. This was their justification in a contest which was supposed to be strictly PERFORMANCE-related.

I could go on forever with coming up with examples, but I won't. In fact, I cancelled that subscription long ago.

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Originally Posted by n3tfury View Post
Well if they are, then I really feel bad for <2012. I have a 2012 and the headlights are shit.
I haven't had an issue with the headlights. IMO, they're no worse than the headlights on any other vehicle, save for the ones with HIDs. I sure do miss the HIDs I had on my STi.
07-18-2012 11:27 AM
n3tfury
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Originally Posted by countrybassist View Post
Are the headlights improved in the 12's??
Well if they are, then I really feel bad for <2012. I have a 2012 and the headlights are shat.
07-18-2012 11:25 AM
countrybassist
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Originally Posted by lolpetewtf View Post
It won't be closed. The only ones that get closed are about headlights.

Are the headlights improved in the 12's??
07-18-2012 10:09 AM
lolpetewtf
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Originally Posted by RaiderRUBICON View Post
this is another thread that should be closed.

Irrelevant commentary.

AJ
It won't be closed. The only ones that get closed are about headlights.
07-18-2012 09:50 AM
blackjk87
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Originally Posted by GonzoBobH View Post
12 JKU and my third gear sounds kind of rough, like an 18 wheeler. That, loving the sh|t out of it, trying to get out every weekend. It just depends on the hand you are dealt, but is pretty easy to be in both camps as well.
My 2012 jku does the same thing in third it's not grinding but it is a little rough and makes a clicking noise going in and after a full stop sometimes 1st gear is a little rough to get into an it sometimes pops out of 3rd
07-02-2012 01:10 PM
n3tfury
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Originally Posted by WXman View Post
Car and Driver magazine did this exact study... and what they found was that the cost of a new car in the '60s and '70s relative to average income was EXACTLY the same as the cost of a new car in today's time relative to the average income. So monetarily, nothing has changed. But what we have today are vehicles that are faster, safer, more capable, and more comfortable to show for it.
Well if C&D said "exactly", then I wouldn't even trust that study.
07-02-2012 01:09 PM
WXman
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Originally Posted by Jeeperz Creeperz View Post
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People are more sensitive because we are now paying $30,000 plus for a vehicle.

Anyone ever see a study if we are paying more for a vehicle compared to the average salary than they did in the 60s, 70s or 80s?
Car and Driver magazine did this exact study... and what they found was that the cost of a new car in the '60s and '70s relative to average income was EXACTLY the same as the cost of a new car in today's time relative to the average income. So monetarily, nothing has changed. But what we have today are vehicles that are faster, safer, more capable, and more comfortable to show for it.
07-02-2012 12:48 PM
oletennessean head replacement - Check
coolant explosion (no clue) - Check
faulty camshaft phaser - check
faulty oil control valve - check
current oil leak - check
06-28-2012 12:57 AM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by chim-chim7 View Post
Geez, people get one problem with their vehicles these days and scream "Lemon" at the first chance. Thats why you have warrantys with new vehicles. I guess all cars and trucks are lemons because the dealership service bays are loaded with warranty work. That goes for all brands. When I worked for Lexus, our neighbor Toyota had the highest amount of warranty complaints per vehicle, of all the Penske owner dealships in the area.
Vehicles have around 20,000 parts to them. I've heard that every vehicle has between 10%-15% defective parts on them. Even if 1% of parts are defective, that's 200 parts.

Dunno how true that is, but that's just what I heard...

Have a nice day.
06-27-2012 11:14 PM
jk'n
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Originally Posted by Jeeperz Creeperz View Post
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Anyone ever see a study if we are paying more for a vehicle compared to the average salary than they did in the 60s, 70s or 80s?
I had been looking to purchase a jeep ever since I was a teenager. I always felt that the purchase price of a new jeep was out of my reach. Being an oldster with a stable job over the past 30+ years has changed that and I was able to afford a new one, and now a used one for my wife. My guess is that the relative price over time has not changed much compared to the cost of living.
06-27-2012 09:44 AM
Jeeperz Creeperz
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Originally Posted by chim-chim7 View Post
Geez, people get one problem with their vehicles these days and scream "Lemon" at the first chance. Thats why you have warrantys with new vehicles. I guess all cars and trucks are lemons because the dealership service bays are loaded with warranty work. That goes for all brands. When I worked for Lexus, our neighbor Toyota had the highest amount of warranty complaints per vehicle, of all the Penske owner dealships in the area.
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People are more sensitive because we are now paying $30,000 plus for a vehicle.

Anyone ever see a study if we are paying more for a vehicle compared to the average salary than they did in the 60s, 70s or 80s?
06-27-2012 09:17 AM
chim-chim7 Geez, people get one problem with their vehicles these days and scream "Lemon" at the first chance. Thats why you have warrantys with new vehicles. I guess all cars and trucks are lemons because the dealership service bays are loaded with warranty work. That goes for all brands. When I worked for Lexus, our neighbor Toyota had the highest amount of warranty complaints per vehicle, of all the Penske owner dealships in the area.
06-27-2012 08:48 AM
pkmcd99 Not that I agree with the lemon statement, but I think the motor and electronics failures are what drives peeps into feeling they have a lemon. The problems when they do happen seem to disable the poor jeep making it inoperable. In addition, they too are still plagued by issues that were around back in the 2007 models such as leaks that still are not resolved. Wranglers are not cheap to buy new for some folks and the problems they are having can actually be defined under some states "lemon" laws, making that paticular jeep a lemon by statute. Best of luck to all the unfortunates.
06-27-2012 07:49 AM
44Blues I just test drove a 2013 Mustang GT and it shifted like crap. I did some research and found that they are having issues....every vehicle has it's problems. I was on another forum (non vehicle forum) and a guy just had a bad head on his 392 hemi Challenger. Do your research, buy what you like and take your chances..
06-26-2012 03:47 AM
JkJared
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Originally Posted by daggo66
I don't think there's any more problems with the 12 than other years. I certainly think some people are taking great joy in the slightest issue and making it a bigger deal than it is. I think the 3.6 and the new auto trans have been a great success in the Wrangler which is highly important to it's continued success.
Couldn't have said jt better myself
06-26-2012 03:46 AM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by GonzoBobH View Post
12 JKU and my third gear sounds kind of rough, like an 18 wheeler. That, loving the sh|t out of it, trying to get out every weekend. It just depends on the hand you are dealt, but is pretty easy to be in both camps as well.
Funny you mention third gear. Sometimes when I'm shifting into third I experience this sort of "scratch" feeling; it's not quite a grind, though...
06-26-2012 01:08 AM
GonzoBobH 12 JKU and my third gear sounds kind of rough, like an 18 wheeler. That, loving the sh|t out of it, trying to get out every weekend. It just depends on the hand you are dealt, but is pretty easy to be in both camps as well.
06-25-2012 10:23 PM
Greg_2012_JKU 2012 Sahara JKU 6,742 miles and no issues! Took it up to my cabin 245 miles away and got (according to dash) 21.4 mpg doing 70-75 with the cruise on.
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