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Today 06:30 PM
jscherb Tom's wiper in action:

TomWiper2 - YouTube
Today 09:31 AM
jscherb Last night my schedule and Tom's finally worked out, so we got the wiper installed in his barn door.





We'll be installing his ModuluS mounting hardware next (which is a work of art BTW).
Yesterday 04:09 PM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by Toshbins View Post
Very impressed with all of the ideas that you present in this thread and your expertise in making them into reality.
Just an idea for you to consider:
One of your hardtops features roof rails. If a single piece front freedom top section were constructed, could it be made to slide back over rails on the the main hardtop and clip or strap in place there? That would make it easy to carry, without taking up space inside, and be quicker to take off and put back on.
That's a good idea. It seems like someone should have made a roof-top freedom panel carrier by now, but I've never seen one.
Yesterday 03:55 PM
Toshbins Very impressed with all of the ideas that you present in this thread and your expertise in making them into reality.
Just an idea for you to consider:
One of your hardtops features roof rails. If a single piece front freedom top section were constructed, could it be made to slide back over rails on the the main hardtop and clip or strap in place there? That would make it easy to carry, without taking up space inside, and be quicker to take off and put back on.
09-16-2014 07:14 PM
Milkman I've been busy the past month and a half just wanted to give everyone a sneak peek of the assembled ModuluS barn door support.

I had a bit of a snafu with some hardware from the manufacturer but we got it resolved and I received it today.

So here it is, still have to finish installing the final screws but so far everything fits well. This has 3 molle packs installed on the left with two attached to the frame and one on the front of the top pack.

09-08-2014 08:19 PM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by Dr.Ew View Post
Exactly. Sorry I hadn't noticed it. That hinged top with the skylights would be perfect!
I know that you have no interest in production, but if you were interested in building a prototype I would pay for it.
I'll keep that in mind, thanks.
09-08-2014 08:19 PM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by Fly2crawl View Post
Ursa Minor makes the pop up top as well.



Sorry just saw this company was previously mentioned, here's a pic anyway!
Yes, we've discussed the Ursa Minor a lot in this thread, but what intriqued me about the AEV pop-up was that it looks like it mounts on top of the factory roof; the Ursa Minor is a complete hardtop. I was in the process of designing the pop-up camper implementation of the Safari Cab roof panel that would mount on top of the factory hardtop when I discovered the AEV example, so it seemed to confirm the concept of what I was designing.
09-08-2014 07:22 PM
Fly2crawl
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Originally Posted by jscherb View Post
Over the weekend I was doing some design work on the JK Safari tilt-top camper design, and I ran acoss these photos of a concept camper that AEV built in the early days of the JK. AEV showed it at SEMA 2006, and it was at Moab in 2007, but I can't find out much more about it. I found this interesting because the design work I was doing involves putting the pop-up on top of the factory hardtop. Yesterday I posted drawings of a Safari Cab pop-up roof, and I said I was working on another version that was form-fitted to the factory hardtop. This AEV unit seems to sit on the factory hardtop, and doesn't seem to have much structure protecting the roof - I wonder if that's why it never went to production? The design I've been working on has a bottom-half "clamshell" that sits on the roof and takes the load off the hardtop. If anyone knows any more about this AEV concept, I'd love to hear about it. I'll post my design drawings for the factory hardtop clamshell tilt-top shortly, I've got just a few measurements I want to verify.
Ursa Minor makes the pop up top as well.



Sorry just saw this company was previously mentioned, here's a pic anyway!
09-08-2014 02:28 PM
Dr.Ew Exactly. Sorry I hadn't noticed it. That hinged top with the skylights would be perfect!
I know that you have no interest in production, but if you were interested in building a prototype I would pay for it.
09-07-2014 04:28 PM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by Dr.Ew View Post
In considering a camper top, would it seem to be feasible to make the Safari top hinged? If the top could be hinged at the front end, then lifting it in the back and securing it with some struts would give you a camper top.
All you would need is a platform mounted above the rollbars (even something as simple as plywood or OSB strapped to the rollbars), for which there should be plenty of space in your first design. A removable side enclosure made of Suncloth could be attached by zippers/Velcro/etc. so you could remove it when not needed or for cleaning. With the dead space between sleeping platform and the raised roof, you could store a pad and bag/blanket.
The advantage to hinging the Safari roof is that there would be no need for a separate camper (storage, cost, etc.), you would retain the skylights so the Jeep stays sunny...
Yes it's completely feasible. I posted a concept drawing of a hinged roof last week, check back to the last page of this thread.

09-07-2014 02:46 PM
Dr.Ew In considering a camper top, would it seem to be feasible to make the Safari top hinged? If the top could be hinged at the front end, then lifting it in the back and securing it with some struts would give you a camper top.
All you would need is a platform mounted above the rollbars (even something as simple as plywood or OSB strapped to the rollbars), for which there should be plenty of space in your first design. A removable side enclosure made of Suncloth could be attached by zippers/Velcro/etc. so you could remove it when not needed or for cleaning. With the dead space between sleeping platform and the raised roof, you could store a pad and bag/blanket.
The advantage to hinging the Safari roof is that there would be no need for a separate camper (storage, cost, etc.), you would retain the skylights so the Jeep stays sunny...
09-04-2014 08:33 PM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by Dr.Ew View Post
The self-contained camper is brilliant! Workable on any top, lower cost, and you could remove it, setting it on the ground as a regular tent if you wanted to explore the area topless.
Brilliant.
Yes, that's the idea. Thank you.
09-04-2014 08:32 PM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by campermac View Post
So I have been reading all the posts in this thread and have to ask if you are going to offer or if you will make a set of the barn door windows for the 2 door JK Hardtop. I would really love to have a pair for my 2 Dobermans that go everywhere with me.
The barn door is pictured below, it replaces the rear liftgate glass - I think you're probably asking about opening side windows to replace the fixed side windows in the factory hardtop?

09-04-2014 08:24 PM
Dr.Ew The self-contained camper is brilliant! Workable on any top, lower cost, and you could remove it, setting it on the ground as a regular tent if you wanted to explore the area topless.
Brilliant.
09-04-2014 08:09 PM
campermac So I have been reading all the posts in this thread and have to ask if you are going to offer or if you will make a set of the barn door windows for the 2 door JK Hardtop. I would really love to have a pair for my 2 Dobermans that go everywhere with me.
09-02-2014 09:59 AM
jscherb The Safari Cab roof panel could also be used as the top half of a clamshell tent to go on top of a factory hardtop. The AEV example I posted earlier looks like the bedding sits directly on the hardtop, or perhaps on a very thin platform, but I think it would be better to have a little more substantial platform to protect the factory hardtop roof from stress. The bottom half of the clamshell would only be a few inches thick, and it would be form-fitted to the roof, so when it's installed it would look like an extension of the roof. And unlike something like the Ursa Minor, it's removable, leaving the factory hardtop in place.



Installed and closed, the form-fitted clamshell bottom goes on top of the factory hardtop, and adds a few inches the the overall height.



Open.



And because of the clamshell bottom, it could also be installed on a 2-dr, overhanging on the front, might have a bit of an EarthRoamer look, those also overhang in the front.

09-02-2014 06:23 AM
jscherb Over the weekend I was doing some design work on the JK Safari tilt-top camper design, and I ran acoss these photos of a concept camper that AEV built in the early days of the JK. AEV showed it at SEMA 2006, and it was at Moab in 2007, but I can't find out much more about it.

I found this interesting because the design work I was doing involves putting the pop-up on top of the factory hardtop. Yesterday I posted drawings of a Safari Cab pop-up roof, and I said I was working on another version that was form-fitted to the factory hardtop. This AEV unit seems to sit on the factory hardtop, and doesn't seem to have much structure protecting the roof - I wonder if that's why it never went to production? The design I've been working on has a bottom-half "clamshell" that sits on the roof and takes the load off the hardtop.





If anyone knows any more about this AEV concept, I'd love to hear about it.

I'll post my design drawings for the factory hardtop clamshell tilt-top shortly, I've got just a few measurements I want to verify.
09-01-2014 10:31 PM
Yukonflyer
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Originally Posted by jscherb View Post
Thanks.

Having just learned to sew, I'll say sewing is easier than making molds for fiberglass parts .



Two answers to that:

1. As drawn, it's the main roof of the Safari Cab hardtop. The sleeping platform would be mounted on top of the roll bars.

2. I haven't posted any drawings of this yet, but another design I've got has this same roof panel mounted to a platform that's form-fitted to the JKU hardtop. It's a clamshell design, although unlike the clamshell concept I showed on the LJ Safari Cab, when this one is installed it's integrated with the JK hardtop so it actually would look like the Ursa Minor unit, but instead of being part of the hardtop, it would be a removable unit that goes on top of the factory hardtop. Could be the best of both worlds. I'll try to get some drawings of it posted soon.

Wow, both one and two sound very interesting. I'd like to see what they look like if you can manage a drawing that's be great.

You mentioned earlier something about weather a camper on the jeep or trailer is the better option.
I don't think it breaks down quite that simply. Sometimes a trailer is a good viable option, I drag an old chalet trailer around when we go anywhere, but there are times that it would be nice to just have the jeep but not have to sleep on the ground and not have to try and change on your knees is the back or set up a vestibule under your RTT. I believe that's where Ursa Minor comes in but their price is simply out of reach for a lot of guys. That's where your option 1 above is most appealing and being integrated with the Safari top means your tent sides are up out of the way above the roll bar.
09-01-2014 06:17 PM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by Espo78 View Post
I'm sure you're aware there is already a product on the market like this. The Ursa Minor camper shell is very close to your tilt up concept. I love the idea though and if you were to go with something like that I would suggest making it available for 2 door models because the Ursa Minor is only for 4 doors. I think there is enough roof space for a 2 door model to work, but entry would have to be from the outside of the vehicle vs from the inside like the ursa minor.
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Originally Posted by The Jeep Driver View Post
I'd personally like to have a Jeep/Camper unit, but as Espo78 stated, not an option for a 2 Door, and likely not an affordable/practical option when compared to the cost/space of an similarly sized tent.
I'm finishing up some drawings of the camper shell solution for the 2-dr, hopefully I'll get the drawings done and posted tomorrow.
09-01-2014 06:04 PM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by PaulMcHale View Post
If you had support for an integrated roof rack, that would be awesome as well. Doesn't need to support much to be useful. Maybe coat the top in white bedliner if there is such a thing. That way you only need mount points for a perimeter rail to tie stuff down.
Yes, the design includes included integrated roof rack mounts, although I disagree that they don't need to support much to be useful - I think they should be strong enough to support a roof-top tent with two people in it at least. My design for the integrated rack mounts transfer all of the weight on the roof rack to the roll bars so there's no stress on the fiberglass at all.

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Originally Posted by jcb-memphis View Post
I am looking forward to just taking my front runner rack and bolting it up...perhaps with some bracket fabrication of course.


Very much in the "want" mode now.

I don't know the size or mounting provisions on the Front Runner rack, but if you send the dimensions and mounting info I'll keep that rack in mind as I do the final dimensions for the integrated rack mounts in the JK roof panel and I'll do something compatible if at all possible.

The LJ Safari Cab has integrated roof rack mounts as well; I mounted an XJ rack to them. I like it for two reasons - since it is a Jeep part, it looks factory, and because there were millions of XJ's produced, there are lots of aftermarket accessories that bolt right up to the XJ rack.



I mount both a rack basket and my roof top tent to the XJ rack:





For mounting serious stuff like the RTT, I use Surco adapters and stronger cross bars on the rack.

09-01-2014 05:58 PM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by PaulMcHale View Post
This is very interesting to me. If you could add a large white patch in the center of the top it might reduce summer heat. You could also add studs in the rear ceiling to support sturdy mounting of high lift jacks and shovels so they are out of the way. I love the additional headroom and the fixed sunroof for the driver.
Because there're more headroom in the Safari Cab, there's enough room between the top of the roll bar extensions and the roof for mounting things like that, so how about mounting them to the top of the roll bar extensions? I did a post maybe two weeks ago about storing stuff up there, including uppers for half doors.
09-01-2014 01:10 PM
jcb-memphis I am looking forward to just taking my front runner rack and bolting it up...perhaps with some bracket fabrication of course.


Very much in the "want" mode now.

09-01-2014 12:14 PM
PaulMcHale If you had support for an integrated roof rack, that would be awesome as well. Doesn't need to support much to be useful. Maybe coat the top in white bedliner if there is such a thing. That way you only need mount points for a perimeter rail to tie stuff down.
09-01-2014 11:52 AM
PaulMcHale
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Originally Posted by Yukonflyer View Post
Thanks for the paper model info.

The Safari 2 with the sunroof is good for sure.
This is very interesting to me. If you could add a large white patch in the center of the top it might reduce summer heat. You could also add studs in the rear ceiling to support sturdy mounting of high lift jacks and shovels so they are out of the way. I love the additional headroom and the fixed sunroof for the driver.
09-01-2014 11:17 AM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by The Jeep Driver View Post
Is there ANYTHING you CAN'T make?!? Very cool...
Thanks.

Having just learned to sew, I'll say sewing is easier than making molds for fiberglass parts .

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Originally Posted by The Jeep Driver View Post
I'd personally like to have a Jeep/Camper unit, but as Espo78 stated, not an option for a 2 Door, and likely not an affordable/practical option when compared to the cost/space of an similarly sized tent.

And, not to state the obvious, but in the JKU model, where do you sleep?
Two answers to that:

1. As drawn, it's the main roof of the Safari Cab hardtop. The sleeping platform would be mounted on top of the roll bars.

2. I haven't posted any drawings of this yet, but another design I've got has this same roof panel mounted to a platform that's form-fitted to the JKU hardtop. It's a clamshell design, although unlike the clamshell concept I showed on the LJ Safari Cab, when this one is installed it's integrated with the JK hardtop so it actually would look like the Ursa Minor unit, but instead of being part of the hardtop, it would be a removable unit that goes on top of the factory hardtop. Could be the best of both worlds. I'll try to get some drawings of it posted soon.
09-01-2014 09:45 AM
The Jeep Driver
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Originally Posted by jscherb View Post
Recently I acquired a sewing machine and learned to sew so that I could do projects like this tilt-up camper top I finished two weeks ago:
Is there ANYTHING you CAN'T make?!? Very cool...



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Is it really practical to have a vehicle that's always a camper or is it better to have a dedicated camp trailer like the one above, or a roof-top solution like the clamshell concept below. All three would use basically the same canvas design.
I'd personally like to have a Jeep/Camper unit, but as Espo78 stated, not an option for a 2 Door, and likely not an affordable/practical option when compared to the cost/space of an similarly sized tent.

And, not to state the obvious, but in the JKU model, where do you sleep?
09-01-2014 08:41 AM
Espo78 I'm sure you're aware there is already a product on the market like this. The Ursa Minor camper shell is very close to your tilt up concept. I love the idea though and if you were to go with something like that I would suggest making it available for 2 door models because the Ursa Minor is only for 4 doors. I think there is enough roof space for a 2 door model to work, but entry would have to be from the outside of the vehicle vs from the inside like the ursa minor.
09-01-2014 07:00 AM
jscherb Recently I acquired a sewing machine and learned to sew so that I could do projects like this tilt-up camper top I finished two weeks ago:



The canvas parts and sewing techniques are pretty much the same for the tilt-up trailer camper above as they would be for a tilt-up roof on a vehicle, and there's no reason the JK Safari Cab roof panel couldn't be hinged, so I drew this:



Is it really practical to have a vehicle that's always a camper or is it better to have a dedicated camp trailer like the one above, or a roof-top solution like the clamshell concept below. All three would use basically the same canvas design.

08-31-2014 12:05 PM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by jcb-memphis View Post
Jscherb,

I think the design is great. I have a front runner rack and my only concern is coming up with a mounting method for that rack and your roof...they might be worth contacting so as to have a "rack" solution from the get go (their rack is quite elegant, biased as I own one - but it really is).
Thanks.

Since the Safari Cab is taller than the factory hardtop, I doubt that most current external frame/over the roof racks would fit without modification.

I am planning that the roof will have internal brackets on the roll bars that allow pass-through of mounting hardware, so racks/rack baskets can be mounted without the need for some sort of external frame that goes down to the body. That's how I've done it on my personal LJ Safari Cab and I've carried heavy loads up there, including a rooftop tent with two people and no problems.

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Originally Posted by jcb-memphis View Post
Good luck and I am very interesting in getting one of these once they come out.
Would like a white heat reduction roof option with perhaps body color options....yes, LResque, but the LR was and is a good solution for real off road life in harsh places. This is just, to me, a natural evolution of that - could not give you a higher compliment.

Jeff
Sure, the roof could be white and the side panels could be body color, or whatever color combo works for you. Later in the project I'll probably make up some color concept drawings and post them.

The company that sells my LJ/TJ Safari Cab offers them in body color with a black roof, Here's what one looks like with that color scheme:

08-31-2014 11:54 AM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by roberthleeii View Post
...One thing that I would really want is a way to open the rear window with out open g the tailgate. Example, you have a carrier on back so you can't open the gate and you want to get or put stuff in the cargo area.
I hear you, but the spare interferes with a rear window in the barn door that might open - the spare sticks up quite a few inches above the bottom of the barn door window. If you've got a good way to do an opening window that easily clears the spare, let me know and I'll see what I can do.

BTW the factory liftgate window wouldn't open in that situation either, so if you've got a solution that allows the barn door window to open without moving the spare, that would be great.

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Originally Posted by roberthleeii View Post
On a business note you need a partner who is all about business, sales, marketing, supply, etc., and leave you to play Howard Hues /Tony Stark in your garage. It seems like you have the production knowledge and some connections already set in place.
"Partner" implies that I would be in business with someone, which I'm not interested in. If any of these designs are to become commercial products what's needed is a company/person that wants to bring them to market without me being part of the business. I'd he happy to provide expertise and production advice to the company/person, whatever it takes to help them get to market. I'm happy to have any of these designs get to market as long as it doesn't involve me being part of the business .
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