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Yesterday 11:22 AM
SilverMiner
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Originally Posted by unusedusername View Post
A camera mount is only useful if you never remove the hardtop, or if there is an easy way to detatch/reattach the camera.

Personally, I'd mount a camera to something that isn't removable.
Good point, I never take my hard top off (or at least haven't yet). I was thinking of just having the flat angled part as part of the light pod fiberglass, for those that want to utilize it as a camera mount, they would drill it out for their camera and mount it. For anyone else, it would just be left blank.
Yesterday 10:30 AM
OldJeepDude
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Originally Posted by jscherb View Post
One way to use the hatch hinge mount locations, which are no longer needed with the barn door installed, is to install an awning there, here's one drawn on these photos. Even without the ursa minor camper top, the awning would be great for picnicking on the trail.

Bolted to the hinge mount locations, the awning could roll up for travel, or easily be removed completely.
That's what I was thinking.

Those points could also be used to connect a tent to the rear to provide a dressing area or provide space for a port-a-potty.

Some of the things threw out there were tongue-in-cheek (hilift mount, hammock, spoiler). They were meant to stimulate thinking outside the box...
Yesterday 08:04 AM
jscherb One way to use the hatch hinge mount locations, which are no longer needed with the barn door installed, is to install an awning there, here's one drawn on these photos. Even without the ursa minor camper top, the awning would be great for picnicking on the trail.



Bolted to the hinge mount locations, the awning could roll up for travel, or easily be removed completely.

11-21-2014 10:17 PM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by unusedusername View Post
A camera mount is only useful if you never remove the hardtop, or if there is an easy way to detatch/reattach the camera.

Personally, I'd mount a camera to something that isn't removable.
With my Safari Cab hardtop on the LJ, I haven't removed the roof panel in almost 4 years. I regularly swap out the hard sides for the roll-up soft sides, but if I mounted a camera on the back of the roof it would be there all the time ...

11-21-2014 05:49 PM
unusedusername A camera mount is only useful if you never remove the hardtop, or if there is an easy way to detatch/reattach the camera.

Personally, I'd mount a camera to something that isn't removable.
11-21-2014 05:37 PM
ds1948
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Originally Posted by Milkman View Post
The barn door is functioning perfect and I've put it to good use. We had to pack a lot of items and travel to Buffalo the past two days in the middle of the storm. Not having to open the hatch made it easier to load and unload the back. This is why we need a rear wiper up here in the North.
Man that looks good.. I would seriously consider purchasing this and the tailgate hinge mount looks nice as well.. Good work men
11-21-2014 03:01 PM
SilverMiner
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Originally Posted by jscherb View Post
Including a mounting point for a back-up camera seems like a really good idea. I asked last night if anyone had one they particularly liked, but no answers so far, so I guess Tom and I will have to do some research on them.
I was thinking of a flat, angled at 45 deg or so spot below (or above) the CHMSL might work well, as part of the light pod.
11-21-2014 01:09 PM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by SilverMiner View Post
I like the light pod idea, having it mount using the existing holes, moving the brake light there (which eliminates all the headaches of dealing with that with larger tires, etc.) maybe have a small flat and angled mount for a rear mounted camera, would solve a lot of problems.
Including a mounting point for a back-up camera seems like a really good idea. I asked last night if anyone had one they particularly liked, but no answers so far, so I guess Tom and I will have to do some research on them.
11-21-2014 12:19 PM
SilverMiner I like the light pod idea, having it mount using the existing holes, moving the brake light there (which eliminates all the headaches of dealing with that with larger tires, etc.) maybe have a small flat and angled mount for a rear mounted camera, would solve a lot of problems.
11-21-2014 07:18 AM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by hayaku View Post
i was assuming you were reusing the factory rear door and just mounting the window portion to it. i didn't know you were replacing the entire rear door with your own.
No, we're not replacing the entire rear door. This project is a fiberglass "upper door" that bolts the the factory tailgate. When installed, the combined tailgate/upper door combination opens as one piece, like a big door on a barn, hence the term "barn door" .



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Originally Posted by hayaku View Post
do you plan to have a kit just to replace the glass and mount it to the factory rear door?
That's exactly what this project does, the factory liftgate glass gets removed and the fiberglass upper mounts to the rear tailgate in its place.
11-21-2014 02:29 AM
hayaku
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Originally Posted by jscherb View Post
I'm confused - the wiper motor in the barn door is mounted down low and wipes from below. What am I missing? Are you suggesting the factory wiper motor should be reused in the barn door?
i was assuming you were reusing the factory rear door and just mounting the window portion to it. i didn't know you were replacing the entire rear door with your own.

do you plan to have a kit just to replace the glass and mount it to the factory rear door?
11-20-2014 08:34 PM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by hayaku View Post
would you be able to mount the wiper motor down lower on the door and reposition the wiper arm to wipe from the bottom? some sort of retrofit kit?
I'm confused - the wiper motor in the barn door is mounted down low and wipes from below. What am I missing? Are you suggesting the factory wiper motor should be reused in the barn door?

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Originally Posted by hayaku View Post
how about adding a backup camera to the top mounted 3rd brake light panel?
Excellent idea! Does anyone have a favorite back-up camera that should be supported?

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and add more lights for better backing up or just lighting at night for tailgating/camping?

cb antenane mount/trail whip flag off the hinge locations on the hardtop would raise those items up quite a bit too?
OldJeepDude mentioned those too, they sound like good ideas.

The only worry I have is if a CB antenna mounted up there catches on a branch on the trail, is there enough reinforcement in the hinge mount of the factory hardtop to deal with the stress? I'll have to check into the strength of the hinge mount.

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Originally Posted by hayaku View Post
just some thoughts that popped in my head on your idea here... i like it, can't wait to see production..
Thanks for the input.

I can't make any commitment or prediction on production, we'll have to see is some company/some person is interested enough the idea to sign up to market it.
11-20-2014 07:42 PM
hayaku would you be able to mount the wiper motor down lower on the door and reposition the wiper arm to wipe from the bottom? some sort of retrofit kit?

how about adding a backup camera to the top mounted 3rd brake light panel?

and add more lights for better backing up or just lighting at night for tailgating/camping?

cb antenane mount/trail whip flag off the hinge locations on the hardtop would raise those items up quite a bit too?

just some thoughts that popped in my head on your idea here... i like it, can't wait to see production..
11-20-2014 07:33 PM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by OldJeepDude View Post
Mounts for a hilift?
CB antenna mount?
Rear window air deflector?
Spoiler mount?
Flag mount?
Awning mount?
Hammock mount?
I don't know how much reinforcement is placed inside the hardtop at the hinge points by the factory, but since the factory lift glass doesn't exert much force on the fiberglass, I doubt there's enough reinforcement there to support a Hi-Lift or a hammock. Some of the other items on your list might be ok, some testing would be called for to determine how much load those points really can take.
11-20-2014 07:00 PM
OldJeepDude Mounts for a hilift?
CB antenna mount?
Rear window air deflector?
Spoiler mount?
Flag mount?
Awning mount?
Hammock mount?
11-20-2014 05:33 PM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by Mr AMC View Post
Looks like the locations for the original factory hinges would be a perfect mounting point for some rear lights if one was to go the "barn door" route. One thing I'm not liking in that picture... salt! Will be dealing with that here soon unfortunately.
There are a number of ways we could deal with that. One, as you suggested, would be to mount some small LED lights there, using the same bolt holes:



Another would be filler panels, I made up a prototype a while back:



In this next photo, one side has a filler block and the other doesn't:



And there's also Tom's cool light pod idea, that also moves the third brake light to the top, thereby further increasing visibility out the back. Tom first posted about that idea in post 134 of this thread:



What would everyone's preference be? Any other ideas for using those spaces I haven't thought of?
11-20-2014 04:54 PM
Mr AMC Looks like the locations for the original factory hinges would be a perfect mounting point for some rear lights if one was to go the "barn door" route. One thing I'm not liking in that picture... salt! Will be dealing with that here soon unfortunately.
11-20-2014 04:26 PM
Milkman The barn door is functioning perfect and I've put it to good use. We had to pack a lot of items and travel to Buffalo the past two days in the middle of the storm. Not having to open the hatch made it easier to load and unload the back.

This is why we need a rear wiper up here in the North.





11-20-2014 03:58 PM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by Mr AMC View Post
Thanks for all your time and effort you have put into this project. I will be one of the first in line for the barn door if it makes it to market.. it just makes sense both form and function wise...
Thank you. I don't know yet if the barn door will become a commercial product. Two companies have expressed some interest in it, so we'll have to see what comes of that and if they think they can bring it to market profitably. If it looks like it will become a commercial product, I'll let everyone know here.
11-20-2014 02:04 PM
Mr AMC Thanks for all your time and effort you have put into this project. I will be one of the first in line for the barn door if it makes it to market.. it just makes sense both form and function wise...
11-20-2014 01:47 PM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by deathdealer687 View Post
The 2 door sketches look incredible. Makes me want one even more.
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Originally Posted by Sitting duk View Post
Thanks for the update. Cool to hear the barn door is good to go. That came out great. Can't wait to see the 2 door safari top come together. That is just sweet!
Thank you. I'm really happy with how the barn door fits, looks and works; I think it's as good as a factory option would be.

At this point, my plans are to make one complete prototype JKU Safari Cab. I don't have a reason at the moment to make a prototype 2dr Safari Cab - I'd probably only do a 2dr prototype if a company wanted to license both the JKU and 2dr Safari Cab designs. It's a pretty straightforward job to make a one-off prototype 2dr Safari Cab using the JKU Safari Cab molds, but I won't make plans to do it unless a good reason to do so presents itself.
11-20-2014 12:43 PM
Sitting duk Thanks for the update. Cool to hear the barn door is good to go. That came out great. Can't wait to see the 2 door safari top come together. That is just sweet!
11-20-2014 12:40 PM
deathdealer687 The 2 door sketches look incredible. Makes me want one even more.
11-20-2014 09:10 AM
jscherb Project updates...

Barn door: Tom's been running the barn door for over a week now and so far he sounds happy with it. He had to make a trip to snowy Buffalo and reports that the wiper in the barn door works well... "couldn't have lived without it", he says. Given the amount of snow there right now, he might mean that very literally. He's also shot the white fiberglass with gray primer to tone down the bright white contrasting to his Anvil JK. As far as I'm concerned the barn door project is finished, it's all done but the final paint prep and paint.

JK Safari Cab: I've just about got the side panel molds finished, and I'll be molding the first set of side panels in them right after Thanksgiving.
11-19-2014 07:37 AM
jscherb For the last week I've been working on the molds for the JK Safari Cab side panels. I've made the window openings in the molds the same size as the side windows in the later model hardtops, except that the window mounting surface is flat so that standard RV-style or gas-and-gasket windows can be installed. That means many different window styles could be installed in the Safari Cab, including sliders and swing-up "windoors":



Or combo slider/swing-up windoor units:



(The windows in the photo above are not the correct size and shape for the JK, they're generic photos from window manufacturers).

Unfortunately standard RV-style windows really can't be installed in the factory hardtop because window mounting surface in the factory top is curved. Since people might want to install sliding windows or swing-up windows in their factory hardtops, I've worked out several different methods to adapt standard flat RV windows to the factory hardtop that I'd like to test when I get the time.

One of the reasons I made the Safari Cab side windows the same size as the factory windows is that any windows that get made for the Safari Cab could also be installed in the later model hardtops using one of the methods to deal with the factory curved surface that I've come up with. That way, if the Safari Cab ever gets to production, whatever company does it will also be able to offer opening windows to factory hardtop owners.
11-18-2014 07:04 PM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by Espo78 View Post
Dr. Ew brings up a great point. The factory hardtops have the freedom panels. Would a one or two piece front panel be something easily incorporated to the Safari Cab? With the raised roofline it may not be feasible but some sort of removable panel up front would really keep the open-top Jeep concept alive while at the same time bringing the classic Safari styling to the JK.
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Agree... maybe even a more simple configuration compared to the Freedom Top? How about a T-Top setup...
I am not planning to implement removable panels like the freedom panels or t-tops in the prototype JK Safari Cab roof mold. If a company licenses the design from me and wants something special in the roof, whatever features they want can be added when the production molds are made.

There are also many aftermarket solutions out there that one could install in the Safari Cab roof, like sunroofs with removable panels, or perhaps a sliding ragtop, so doing custom roof panels with removable parts may not be necessary anyway.

11-18-2014 06:04 PM
Mr AMC
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Originally Posted by Espo78 View Post
Dr. Ew brings up a great point. The factory hardtops have the freedom panels. Would a one or two piece front panel be something easily incorporated to the Safari Cab? With the raised roofline it may not be feasible but some sort of removable panel up front would really keep the open-top Jeep concept alive while at the same time bringing the classic Safari styling to the JK.
Agree... maybe even a more simple configuration compared to the Freedom Top? How about a T-Top setup... leaving the middle portion of the top in place when the tops are removed. This might work out better as far as overall strength goes. Plus would simplify the number and type of rubber gaskets needed? Remember the old Subaru Brats with the hinged tops? Lol.

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11-18-2014 05:55 PM
unusedusername
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Originally Posted by jscherb View Post
Here's a window style you might like - it's a combination of a slider and a swing-up, the best of both - have just the slider open when you want air on the highway, or swing it up for access to the inside or for a lot more air.

Yeah that's pretty much perfect...
11-18-2014 05:23 PM
Espo78 Dr. Ew brings up a great point. The factory hardtops have the freedom panels. Would a one or two piece front panel be something easily incorporated to the Safari Cab? With the raised roofline it may not be feasible but some sort of removable panel up front would really keep the open-top Jeep concept alive while at the same time bringing the classic Safari styling to the JK.
11-18-2014 07:44 AM
jscherb
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Originally Posted by Dr.Ew View Post
I'll throw out a vote in support of the sunroof. Open air feeling is critical to my Jeep; one of the reasons I run topless even in subpar weather. I think a lot of customers would want the open sky view (preferably with a mild tint for protection).
I would cut and install myself, but I'm just saying that I think the take rate would justify building it into the design.
My $0.02
Thanks for letting us all see your great work develop!
Thanks for the input!
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