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07-07-2013 07:08 PM
HarleyDad09 Alright, so I am back and am still stock! I have most not been home enough to do anything! I am ready to make a decision. I have been going back and forth on a 2.5 teraflex or the 2.5 max travel! I saw something about a 2.5 inch lift with a 1 inch body lift. is that advisable?

There is so much data to process...
08-05-2012 09:48 AM
Frshmt I've read too many reports of the AEV equipment being very fragile. It can handle street driving and a beach run if you're careful, but after reading so much about things failing/bending/etc I'll never get anything AEV for my Jeep. They were a GREAT source on TJs and LJs, but the JK has picked up a series of manufacturers that far outbuild AEV in every aspect.

I'm running a Rock Krawler 3.5" suspension (was on 2.5" for six months) on my Jeep. Combined with Bilsteins, the RK system rides like a dream on the streets and is still very smooth on the occasional trail ride while taking an absolute beating on the rocks and begging for more. AEV and those who spend the money on the kit are going to tell you all about how much research and design goes into everything, but at the end of the day, AEV is "overfluffed" and eventually going to deflate. The RK system is seriously heavy duty, but that's not to say it's only for the hardcore rigs.

My JK only actually gets wheeled maybe once a month, so when I selected a system I went for one that had great reviews on street manners. At the same time, though, I wanted to ensure that it was going to hold up on the trails, and that's where I was reading too many negative reviews about the AEV systems (Specifically the dual sport) to even consider them as an option.
08-04-2012 09:31 PM
02trader
2013 Rubicon Unlimited build

I'm getting ready to order a new 2013 Rubicon Unlimited to replace my much beloved 2006 Rubicon Unlimited...it's been a great car but it's time to upgrade. My current Jeep has a 3" lift, 33" BFG Mud-Terrain tires and a 6 speed trans...though I Jeep with friends who have newer Jeeps with higher lifts and bigger tires, I've been able to get everywhere they get on the trails we run...sometimes I just make a bit more metal-on-rock noise!!!

Because of the historical connection with the Jeep factory folks, the engineering standards applied to the design work and the quality of manufacture, I'm at least considering having the AEV folks install their 3.5" DualSport RS Suspension w/Bilstein reservoir shocks, their high-steer kit and 35" tires on my new ride. My intended use for this vehicle would be the same as my old Jeep...some highway miles and trails in the 6-7 range on the Moab rating scale. I really don't want a "pure" off-road suspension because I want to retain some decent highway manners.

There are lots of after-market suspensions available for the JKs but many of them seem to be the assembly of a combination of parts and components which may, or may not, be designed and well engineered to work together as a complete suspension system. It's my understanding that AEV only builds suspension systems for Jeeps and that many of their staff engineers are ex-Jeep engineers who understand the basic Jeep suspension pretty well. I've never had any first hand experience with any AEV products but I've spoken to other folks who have had good experiences with their systems.

Haven't yet made a final decision...any thoughts???
08-03-2012 01:39 PM
Frshmt I know the drill dude! Jeep is almost done, though. If I decide I want to go any bigger, though, I'm doing a tubed out truggy on 37s.

To clarify, I don't accept a challenge for the sake of competition- I'm out there to have fun with everyone else. If I accept a challenge it's because I want to see if I'm built and skilled enough to do it. I know my limits but if something's close I'll try it.
08-03-2012 12:49 PM
pluke the 2 I'm sorry to inform you Freshmt, but it only get's more expensive from here on out. Especially if your the competitor type who wants to hang with the dogs.
08-03-2012 10:13 AM
Frshmt Worst case, you spent $130 and now you have spacers to keep it balanced as you go. Or sell it for $75 and let someone else take their time deciding.

I donated mine to my uncle because he's a teacher and can't afford big lift and tires, so it helps him out at least a little bit when he's off-roading.
08-03-2012 10:11 AM
Frshmt Get the Teraflex kit. It's a great starter stance and will help you go places NOW while you consider whether you really want to go all in. Just look at my sig- not everything is even listed and my Jeep is nine months old. It can get out of hand fast.
08-03-2012 07:02 AM
HarleyDad09 Really great info and a lot to chew on!!
08-03-2012 05:40 AM
Braveheart12JK Ahhh, just spotted what you went with for tires at the bottom of an earlier post
08-03-2012 05:29 AM
Frshmt
Quote:
Originally Posted by tiger275 View Post
3 quick questions....
1) Why 34" vs the more commonly mentioned 35 or 33?
2) No winch?
3) level lift vs the RK Max travel? isn't that giving up a lot?

I like the other ideas but wondering about this a little.
1. 34" gives an edge over a 33" (mostly in bragging rights- you won't be in the 33" crowd). But my 35s were ALWAYS in the fenders, even the Bushwackers, until the bigger lift. 33" would be fine. 35" would be fine but you'd have to get significant bumpstops. In defense, I'm pretty sure I could still put even a 33 in my fender if I tried.

2. Winches can be done on a stock bumper. I just hadn't thought about that. We have a local who actually tucked his winch between the framerails and has it coming through a hole he cut in the stock bumper. SUPER PIMP

3. The RK lift is well over 10x the cost of the level lift and destroys any budget-minded aspect. I LOVE my RK lift and I would never advise against it, but thanks to constantly going one step bigger, my rig is now a very complex conglomeration of parts. I like things to be as simple as possible.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Braveheart12JK View Post
As for the tire question, I'm guessing here, but it's probably referring to a tire sold as a 35" but measures out to 34" or close to, when on your Jeep. A lot of 35's actually measure more like 34.2-34.4"s. Again, that's the case a lot of the time, but I'm guessing here since this wasn't my Jeep
See above
08-03-2012 12:21 AM
Braveheart12JK
Quote:
Originally Posted by tiger275

3 quick questions....
1) Why 34" vs the more commonly mentioned 35 or 33?
2) No winch?
3) level lift vs the RK Max travel? isn't that giving up a lot?

I like the other ideas but wondering about this a little.
As for the tire question, I'm guessing here, but it's probably referring to a tire sold as a 35" but measures out to 34" or close to, when on your Jeep. A lot of 35's actually measure more like 34.2-34.4"s. Again, that's the case a lot of the time, but I'm guessing here since this wasn't my Jeep
08-03-2012 12:10 AM
tiger275
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frshmt View Post
Level lift
34" tire on 15" wheel(metrics can usually get you close)
2" longer shocks (NOT Procomps- OME or Bilstein all the way)
EVO Protec Skids
Rubi rails
ACE rails
Stubby the stock front bumper (or not)
Simplest rear bumper I could find with tow points (or keep stock with the hook)
3 quick questions....
1) Why 34" vs the more commonly mentioned 35 or 33?
2) No winch?
3) level lift vs the RK Max travel? isn't that giving up a lot?

I like the other ideas but wondering about this a little.
08-02-2012 09:51 PM
RubiWhite
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frshmt
I'm going to be 100% honest with you as long as you promise not to tell my wife…

I kinda wish I had kept it simple. To do it all again for primary DD use, I'd go:

Level lift
34" tire on 15" wheel(metrics can usually get you close)
2" longer shocks (NOT Procomps- OME or Bilstein all the way)
EVO Protec Skids
Rubi rails
ACE rails
Stubby the stock front bumper (or not)
Simplest rear bumper I could find with tow points (or keep stock with the hook)

It was incredibly capable, but I wanted to run with the big dogs. I LOVE how capable it is now, I just wish I had the ability to turn down a challenge once in a while.
Aaaand Frshmt just built my new jeep haha! Love it.
08-02-2012 07:54 PM
Frshmt I'm going to be 100% honest with you as long as you promise not to tell my wife…

I kinda wish I had kept it simple. To do it all again for primary DD use, I'd go:

Level lift
34" tire on 15" wheel(metrics can usually get you close)
2" longer shocks (NOT Procomps- OME or Bilstein all the way)
EVO Protec Skids
Rubi rails
ACE rails
Stubby the stock front bumper (or not)
Simplest rear bumper I could find with tow points (or keep stock with the hook)

It was incredibly capable, but I wanted to run with the big dogs. I LOVE how capable it is now, I just wish I had the ability to turn down a challenge once in a while.
08-02-2012 07:50 PM
Frshmt I ran the Teraflex kit for probably four months before I installed the RK lift. It's an awesome way to get at least a little lift NOW, then keep the spacers so you can lift front/rear an inch as needed to keep the Jeep level with different bumpers, winch, etc.

My front bumper alone is well over 100#, plus a winch, so I had to have a 1" front spacer on top of my RK lift to keep it level. That's abnormal- most people sit almost perfectly level with RK kits. My bumper is not for the faint of heart.

Level lift, 2" longer shocks, and 34x10.50-15 LTBs:



On flat ground (man, it was such a simple Jeep back then…):



Same level kit but with an extra 1" spacer up front because of bumper:



RK 2.5" Max Travel with 1" spacer up front, again, because of bumper:



Here's a link to the kit on Jason's site:

TeraFlex JK Leveling Kit

I say get the level kit. It'll get you lifted a bit NOW, you can still run your stock shocks, and you never know- it may be enough to make you happy!
08-02-2012 11:48 AM
HarleyDad09 Frshmt what is your take on the leveling kit?
08-02-2012 11:21 AM
Frshmt I do all my own wrenching, yes. It's very simple. Just look at the Rock Krawler kit components then climb under your Jeep and you'll easily identify everything. The only thing I'd suggest before you start the install is to grab two wrenches from a pawn shop:

1 1/2"
1 5/16"

That's not 1.5", not a single 1/2" wrench. Same for the slightly smaller one. I got both of mine for $17

The big one is for the LCA jam nuts and the smaller big one is for the trackbar jam nuts. They provide you with the lengths you need to set everything up properly for your height.
08-02-2012 09:59 AM
TK-213
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frshmt
If you have a JKU you won't need to change your shafts for the 2.5" max travel. At most it'll give you 3" lift, but even that's not going to require a shaft change- Hell, there are lots of JK guys running 4" lifts with stock driveshafts and no issues… it's all in what you're doing. Adding your bumpers and armor will bring it down a little more, making it even safer.

Even then, the factory driveshafts are CRAP for any real off-roading. I don't see why people are willing to spend literally thousands on lift, bumpers, tires… but won't spend $6-700 to replace the shafts with significantly improved driveshafts.

Here's a rough break down of my costs:

Suspension: $2,000
Tires/Wheels: $1,600
Bumpers: $1,850
Winch: $450
Armor: $1,000
Fenders: $500

That's $8000 right out of the gate. Adams driveshafts are going for $650 for the pair. Compared to what I've already spent, $650 is not that much money.

I hope my wife never sees this post.
Doh! Hope mine doesn't see this either!!!
08-02-2012 08:29 AM
ilikeguns the teraflex leveling kit gives you 1" in the back and 2" in the front to level out the factory rake. As other guys have said, they are just spacers that get mounted above your springs and new swaybar links. You can run 33's w/o rubbing on your fender flares. If you decide you decide that you want to do more challenging offroading, you can always upgrade to a proper lift.

Here's the catch.. depending on the bumper winch combo you choose, the add'l weight might require you to a proper lift. More weight = less MPG if that is a concern.
08-01-2012 11:16 PM
JKralph
Quote:
Originally Posted by HarleyDad09

So it is a budget boost essentially?
Yup, that's my understanding
08-01-2012 11:15 PM
HarleyDad09
Quote:
Originally Posted by JKralph View Post
Anywhere from 1/2" to 2.5", they are those spacers that sit on top of your rubber spring isolators
So it is a budget boost essentially?
08-01-2012 10:24 PM
JKralph
Quote:
Originally Posted by HarleyDad09

How many more inches does a leveling kit give you and what kind of tires can you do with that? I dont even really know what a leveling kit is. Sounds like something you would use after a suspension lift to level it out if it isnt even.
Anywhere from 1/2" to 2.5", they are those spacers that sit on top of your rubber spring isolators
08-01-2012 10:21 PM
HarleyDad09
Quote:
Originally Posted by ilikeguns View Post
i've been eyeing that rock krawler 2.5" lift for a while now.. it seems like it has the best of both worlds... great on and offroad. with that being said.. if you're not looking for a ton of armor on your jeep, why not start with a leveling kit? I put the teraflex kit on mine and for $130 it is a perfect way to test the waters. I've been able to run some great trails and get a little additional clearance for a minimal investment.

re: drive shafts.. for what you are looking to do with your jeep and how high you're going to lift it, I don't really see a reason for you to swap them out.
How many more inches does a leveling kit give you and what kind of tires can you do with that? I dont even really know what a leveling kit is. Sounds like something you would use after a suspension lift to level it out if it isnt even.
08-01-2012 09:06 PM
NHRubi
Quote:
Originally Posted by CollegiateJeeperDB View Post
Edit: Did that post from my phone and it was real messed up for some reason, sorry!

But anyway, I just recently put the smittybilt SRC front bumper with the bull guard instead of stinger on, and I couldn't be happier. The thing is as solid as can be and installation is relatively easy and straightforward. Mine looks a little naked because I havn't gotten a winch yet but this picture can hopefully give you a good idea of what it would look like on a real jeep and just some internet picture.

I found it on amazon for 379.99 with 10 dollar shipping too, so it was a good deal compared to other places. Just be sure to shop around, some have great special offers or free shipping etc etc. Hope this is helpful!
CJDB, How much does your bumper weigh? I've been looking for a functional yet lightweight front bumper, ad yours looks lighter than most. Thanks!
08-01-2012 08:11 PM
ilikeguns i've been eyeing that rock krawler 2.5" lift for a while now.. it seems like it has the best of both worlds... great on and offroad. with that being said.. if you're not looking for a ton of armor on your jeep, why not start with a leveling kit? I put the teraflex kit on mine and for $130 it is a perfect way to test the waters. I've been able to run some great trails and get a little additional clearance for a minimal investment.

re: drive shafts.. for what you are looking to do with your jeep and how high you're going to lift it, I don't really see a reason for you to swap them out.
08-01-2012 07:56 PM
the Kolector
Quote:
Originally Posted by kramer2k View Post
That's my favorite rear bumper so far. I love the integrated tire/trunk door swing mechanism. The fact that you can open the door and tire carrier with one hand is cool. And you get an integrated hitch and rear fogs as an option is also a very cool bonus.
Thats why I chose it, I don't see a time that I would have the carrier open and not the tailgate. I already have my d-rings and my rear fog lights waiting for the bumper.
08-01-2012 07:39 PM
kramer2k
Quote:
Originally Posted by the Kolector View Post
I have the Warn w650D on my windshield mounts. Have the ACE rear bumper/tire carrier on order from Jason @ Krawl.
That's my favorite rear bumper so far. I love the integrated tire/trunk door swing mechanism. The fact that you can open the door and tire carrier with one hand is cool. And you get an integrated hitch and rear fogs as an option is also a very cool bonus.
08-01-2012 07:38 PM
kramer2k
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frshmt View Post
I hope my wife never sees this post.
08-01-2012 07:32 PM
NHRubi Subscribed - some good info here!
08-01-2012 06:59 PM
the Kolector I have the Warn w650D on my windshield mounts. Have the ACE rear bumper/tire carrier on order from Jason @ Krawl.
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