|10-10-2013 10:23 AM|
|techflork||agreed. Well, looks like I'll just wait till I get the lift. It'll live lol|
|10-10-2013 09:47 AM|
|10-10-2013 09:04 AM|
|techflork||digging up an old thread, I wanted to know how your skid is holding up. This is my next thing to do. Also are the control arms really really necessary? I don't have a lift, I put 33's on with some metalcloaks. The suspension is 100% stock. I don't mind buying the new driveshaft set up, body lift, shifters, and plate but the control arms are going to be savvy or metalcloaks and I want to get them with my lift. I have no reason to lift it until I'm set for 35's which won't be for a few years. Can I not buy new control arms?|
|08-15-2012 07:19 AM|
As for the exhaust, the point isn't making room for it....so your extra 1" of body lift isn't doing anything for you but looking goofy. The goal with your exhaust is to set it so that it's neutral, not being torqued up or down with the skid plate in place. It goes up with the trans/t-case so the exhaust mount at the trans mount bracket needs to be cut and set lower in order to place the exhaust in a neutral state.
|08-14-2012 06:12 PM|
eliminate a t-case drop
TT without a BL
reducing driveline angle is what I will be using it for....
A combination of components can be used to increase belly clearance as well....
Read up on the various uses on UCF's site...
There are two models of Lopro... 97-02 and 03-06
Here is a link to UCF lopro for 97-02
Under Cover Fabworks, LLC - UCF LOPRO ('97-'02 TJ) Trans. Mount
|08-14-2012 03:57 PM|
|rbkelley89||Oh thanks. One more ? I read that the lopro mount is for the 03'+ tj's and that the 97-02' do not benefit from them because of the different mount jeep used for the newer model. is this true|
|08-14-2012 02:58 PM|
I will have to readjust the pinion angle once again, but that's a given.
|08-14-2012 02:15 PM|
|rbkelley89||By saying to use the lopro mount to get the tease lower do u mean higher up against the body? I have a 2" bl so hopefully this should help with the clearance of the exhaust.|
|08-14-2012 12:16 PM|
|TnDz TJ||No difficulties ... Just a bit more work I guess. A little contact here and there with exhaust is the only hang up right now.|
|08-14-2012 06:51 AM|
|jbydesign||I had less dificulties... 1" MML which helped along with lopro tranny mount...|
|08-13-2012 02:33 PM|
|08-10-2012 11:38 AM|
|TnDz TJ||Yeah. No mods til the Lopro for sure. I gotta get back under and measure.|
|08-10-2012 08:21 AM|
|Imped||So what's your current pinion angle? But yes, with such tall coils your goal should be to get that t-case as low as possible. If you want to get the exhaust back to being happy, shorten the exhaust mount. Wait until you do the LoPro mount before doing this.|
|08-10-2012 08:12 AM|
Novak cable shifter would be a plus, though I got my linkage working good
BE PREPARED for exhaust clearance issues. Since the main mount is part of the t-case ( right at the t-case mount ) it gets pushed up with everything else. I have body contact at the rear upper CA , shock, and up front at the tub I have a rattle at idle....
I was too! Angle find is dead on. I only have RC 4" coils.....I was thinking about adding the lowpro mount.... might be a good idea to get the t-case a little lower. Adding fluid is a good idea... though I over-filled it back in April as I was doing the lift install.
FYI... that pic of the pinion angle is AFTER the TT but BEFORE the pinion rotation.... it's not that bad now... when the pinion went up the angle descreased a lot. I have already had it wheelin last Sunday... no issues.
|08-10-2012 07:31 AM|
|Imped||I'm shocked at that pinion angle.....it seems excessive. You sure that angle finder is right? I'd recommend going with the LoPro mount ASAP to reduce that operating angle. Just as a reference, my pinion/shaft angle was at 20* with my flat skid and LoPro mount with the rear axle in the stock location. It looks like you've got taller springs than I do and my skid sits the t-case a bit lower (to the skid) than the UCF does. In the mean time, I'd recommend putting some extra diff lube in to prevent the pinion bearings from running dry.|
|08-10-2012 04:45 AM|
|jbydesign||Nice write up ... I went with Nth Degree about 6 months ago... Same story... Inrollnwith guys on 40 s and clear almost everything... I was starting to hang up on the tank skid a lot so I opted for a savvy alm skid whiched allowed me to lift the tank an 1"... Very solid skid too! Good luck with your new found clearance!|
|08-09-2012 07:35 PM|
|jasongind||I did the BL, MML, TT, and long arm lift all in two days while parked on the street in front of my house in Denver. I was amazed at the difference the TT made. If I had to do it over again and would do differently, I would find someone to let me use their garage to do it in! lol|
|08-09-2012 07:05 PM|
|LilYeller||Its always good to hear these things before you start a project like this. Is there anything else you might have done differently given the time and resources?|
|08-04-2012 10:26 PM|
|TnDz TJ||Thanks, Lindel.... If I would have thought it through completely.. I would have gone with the MEAGASHORT SYE|
|08-04-2012 10:06 PM|
Nice work Todd. Good gain on clearance.
I'm still a long way from that point, but it's something to shoot at. A little bit at a time.
|08-04-2012 09:54 PM|
I don't think I left anything out as far I can see. The linkage is the biggest thing you will need to give attention to for sure. Mine is far from perfect, but it worked with a little tweek here and there. I may just make a new bracket to replace the one that mounts on the side of the t-case that hold the linkage bar from the body.
|08-04-2012 09:00 PM|
Thanks for the update Todd ... I have a Rokmen skid that gains 2.25" over stock and working up to the installation. Your thread helps me see where the "gotchas" are
I love Virginia where everything is green, but try working in 101 degrees with 88% humidity sometime ... UGH
|08-04-2012 07:41 PM|
|TnDz TJ||LOL! Thanks..... it was 101 today... WAY too hot to get er done... but I pushed through it with a few beers... lol!!!|
|08-04-2012 07:35 PM|
What kind of black magic is that? Your skid just *poof* disappeared!
Good job! I can't wait until I get the parts together for mine. I'm to the point where prices keep rising so I may as well just order what I can and put it away while I can.
|08-04-2012 07:28 PM|
OK guys.... finished the TT.... here we go...
I did NOT go with a LoPro mount... used the factory mount
I started with a some measurements...
15" of ground clearance with the stock shovel.....
The angle of my rear driveline was sitting pretty at 16 degrees and 15 at the pinion.... just did this to show what the angle change is with THIS UCF extra clearance skid...
-I unbolted the 4 tranny mount bolts
-Took the 4 screws off the radiator shroud ( I knew I needed to relocate it )
-Jacked up the trans about 2.5" higher than the stock shovel and supported it with a jackstand.
-Installed UCF skid loosely
-Lowered tranny/t-case onto new skid aligning the trans mount... finished tightening the skid
Took some more measurements...
I gained a total of 2" of belly clearance... Just what I expected.
What I didn't expect was the LARGE increase in driveline angle... from 16 degrees to 28 degrees... WOW!!! The tape in the below pic shows where the splines were prior to the TT... 3.25" showing... now.... 4" showing.
I knew I needed to adjust my pinion angle from the start... so I hopped on that right away... about 45 minutes to an hour I had dialed my driveline and pinion back in with a couple of tries... no biggie there.... I have plenty of slip left in the driveline (3.75") and after adjustments, the total exposed slip is at 3.75" versed the 3.25" from before the TT...
I had to relocate the fan shroud DOWN about a 1/4" from stock... took like 10 minutes and a dremel tool.
I can definitely see why a lot of folks go with the Novak cable shifter... I am ok with the little tweeking I did on the rods and adjusting the linkage.... no binding at all and shifts smooth, though its not perfect by any means. Tomorrow will be the test run.
The front exhaust hanger is part of the trans mount, so the exhaust got pushed up a bit and I have contact at the upper control arm bolt with the muffler and the tailpipe now hits my rear shock. It's a solid contact at this point and no rattles, but needs some attention.
All in all... about 3.5 hours to get it done and back on the road with no vibes or rattles.
Now that I see why NEW BOLTS are needed, I will be replacing them, THANKS DOC!
***REMEMBER.... I had mostly everything I needed to get the TT done already... just needed the new skid.***
If you are starting from scratch.... you need DEEP pockets....
Here is the final outcome... I couldn't be happier.....
|08-04-2012 01:45 PM|
I've had the same skid for over a year. Love it. It really helped me on the deep mountain snow runs last winter, vs the years before.
I painted mine Rustoleum hammered black.
Hmm. I reused my stock pan bolts. I better go check on them.
Post more pics when you are done!!
|08-04-2012 12:45 PM|
|Leslee||Did you use your old tran. mount or go with the lopro mount|
|08-04-2012 12:30 AM|
I hear ya... pickin your line is key in just about every challenging obstacle... pickin RIGHT is when you don't need a winch to 'assist' you off a rock.
Most often than not, I find myself taking things slightly on the 'high side' of obstacles to ensure ample clearance underneath the diffs.
Gaining this 2.5" plus of belly clearance is surely gonna help me out.... I have caught more junk with that stock shovel... sigh.... on my third one... NO MORE!!! I SAY.... NO MORE!!! lol!!
|08-04-2012 12:29 AM|
|08-04-2012 12:24 AM|
|BLK00TJ||Yeah, front stuff I can pick lines and protect things there. But I admit I'm a dork when it comes to thinking about where my rear end is going when picking the next line. I drag my rear axle over stuff that could have been avoided. I am getting better though. Only one thump last weekend and it wasn't my gas tank skid this time.|
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